Full Freeview on the Crystal Palace (Greater London, England) transmitter
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The symbol shows the location of the Crystal Palace (Greater London, England) transmitter which serves 4,490,000 homes. The bright green areas shown where the signal from this transmitter is strong, dark green areas are poorer signals. Those parts shown in yellow may have interference on the same frequency from other masts.
Are there any planned engineering works or unexpected transmitter faults on the Crystal Palace (Greater London, England) mast?
CRYSTAL PALACE transmitter - DAB: Slightly reduced power due to a fault from 23 Dec 07:21 until 23 Dec 13:37. . AM: Radio 4 on MW has now closed. Please retune to FM, Digital Radio, digital TV, BBC Sounds or smart speakers to continue listening. More information can be found on the
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Digital television services are broadcast on a multiplexes (or Mux) where many stations occupy a single broadcast frequency, as shown below.
64QAM 8K 3/4 27.1Mb/s DVB-T MPEG2
DTG-12 QSPK 8K 3/4 8.0Mb/s DVB-T MPEG2
H/V: aerial position (horizontal or vertical)
Which Freeview channels does the Crystal Palace transmitter broadcast?
If you have any kind of Freeview fault, follow this Freeview reset procedure first.Digital television services are broadcast on a multiplexes (or Mux) where many stations occupy a single broadcast frequency, as shown below.
64QAM 8K 3/4 27.1Mb/s DVB-T MPEG2
DTG-12 QSPK 8K 3/4 8.0Mb/s DVB-T MPEG2
H/V: aerial position (horizontal or vertical)
Which BBC and ITV regional news can I watch from the Crystal Palace transmitter?
BBC London 4.9m homes 18.4%
from London W1A 1AA, 12km north-northwest (335°)
to BBC London region - 55 masts.
ITV London News 4.9m homes 18.4%
from London WC1X 8XZ, 11km north-northwest (345°)
to ITV London region - 55 masts.
Are there any self-help relays?
Charlton Athletic | Transposer | Redeveloped north stand Charlton Athletic Football Club | 130 homes |
Deptford | Transposer | south-east London | 100 homes |
Greenford | Transposer | 12 km N Heathrow Airport | 203 homes |
Hendon | Transposer | Graham Park estate | 50 homes |
White City | Transposer | 9 km W central London | 80 homes |
How will the Crystal Palace (Greater London, England) transmission frequencies change over time?
1950s-80s | 1984-97 | 1997-98 | 1998-2012 | 2012-13 | 21 Mar 2018 | ||||
VHF | A K T | A K T | A K T | A K T | W T | ||||
C1 | BBCtvwaves | ||||||||
C22 | ArqA | ArqA | |||||||
C23 | ITVwaves | ITVwaves | ITVwaves | BBCA | BBCA | ||||
C25 | SDN | SDN | |||||||
C26 | BBC1waves | BBC1waves | BBC1waves | D3+4 | D3+4 | ||||
C28 | -ArqB | ArqB | |||||||
C29 | LW | ||||||||
C30 | C4waves | C4waves | C4waves | -BBCB | BBCB | ||||
C33 | BBC2waves | BBC2waves | BBC2waves | com7 | |||||
C35 | com8 | ||||||||
C55tv_off | com7tv_off | ||||||||
C56tv_off | COM8tv_off |
tv_off Being removed from Freeview (for 5G use) after November 2020 / June 2022 - more
Table shows multiplexes names see this article;
green background for transmission frequencies
Notes: + and - denote 166kHz offset; aerial group are shown as A B C/D E K W T
waves denotes analogue; digital switchover was 4 Apr 12 and 18 Apr 12.
How do the old analogue and currrent digital signal levels compare?
Analogue 1-4 | 1000kW | |
SDN, ARQA, ARQB, BBCA, D3+4, BBCB | (-7dB) 200kW | |
com7 | (-13.7dB) 43.1kW | |
com8 | (-14dB) 39.8kW | |
Mux 1*, Mux 2*, Mux A*, Mux B*, Mux C*, Mux D*, LW | (-17dB) 20kW |
Local transmitter maps
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Wednesday, 13 May 2015
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daniel5:44 PM
Is the 32 element phinix tv aerail any good I'm thinking of getting argos to install that aerail in my bedroom and will it go in the loft or outside and is it any good for signal .
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Friday, 5 June 2015
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Robl11:01 AM
St. Albans
Hello,
I live in the AL4 9JX area of Hertfordshire. Crystal Palace is my transmitter. I have a roof aerial and a Freeview HD box.
I receive all the Freeview HD channels with no problem.
However and this is odd. Recently I retuned to pick up channel 111 and 112 just to make sure I can tune into COM 8. For a while I was getting clear pictures on QVC HD.
A few days ago these disappeared. When I tried to retune I could see there was a signal but the quality indicator didn't register anything therefore the box ignored the channels.
I can get these channels on a small set top aerial though. Both upstairs and downstairs.
When HD was first coming from London as a test at low power I received this but when Sandy Heath changed a frequency this got zapped until Crystal Palace went to full power.
I'm wondering if the same has happened to COM 8. I can receive HD from Sandy Heath on the same rooftop aerial despite it pointing south. It's like something is spoiling the COM8 signal from London but no other channels are effected. As I can receive these COM8 channels on a small aerial which won't receive Sandy Heath at the same time it made me thing maybe there was a conflict.
Anyway I thought I'd ask and report this. It's not that I ever want to watch QVC in HD but if other channels arrive on COM 8 that might be different.
To repeat, all was ok receiving COM8 until a few days ago. All other HD channels come though ok on the rooftop aerial which is in good condition and correctly pointing south with nothing in the way as I'm high up. No tress or anything which would have appeared in the last week.
I've put quite a bit of effort trying to find a pattern in the problem which I've described above. Re-boots and retunes and all those things have been done so done ask me to try that again.
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Thursday, 11 June 2015
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Demetrius Skortou11:23 AM
London
Dear Sir/Madam,
I live in a tenement block; 28 Tabard House, Manciple Street, London, SE1 4DL.
We have a communal aerial in the loft.
However, the TV signal coming from the Crystal Palace transmitter , sometimes breaks up, or goes off altogether.
I have just recently purchased an indoor HD aerial, (max 41db gain) which is working well, however, I am still getting the same problems of picture break up and loss of picture for a few seconds.
HD channel signals are weak and mostly these Hi-def channels break up or freeze, most of all.
I have checked all my connection cables and they are perfectly OK.
Any advice from you would be greatly appreciated, on how I can resolve these problems!
Kind Regards,
Demetrius Skortou
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Dave Lindsay
9:23 PM
9:23 PM
Demetrius Skortou: If the fault isn't with your own wiring or equipment, then it's the aerial system which is at fault and therefore the party responsible should be notified.
At your location, with the transmitter being only 5 miles away with clear line-of-sight, too high a signal level is very much a possibility here. The system's amplifier probably wants turning down a bit.
Some systems are fitted with filters so as to only allow through those channels (frequencies) used by the designated transmitter. If you are not receiving the newer multiplexes then, at the same time as fixing the fault, get the engineer to enable them, these being:
COM7 - C33 - 106 BBC Four HD
COM8 - C35 - 111 QVC+1
L-LON - C29 - 8 London Live
There's also the possibility that 800MHz 4G services could be overloading the amplifier as well. Either way, it's up to the party responsible to get an engineer.
Too high a signal level can appear as too low a signal, or dips in quality. It's like having the volume on a sound system set too high -- the signal distorts and does so to differing degrees depending on the sound.
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Thursday, 25 June 2015
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john kirby7:46 PM
London
Hi,
I live in London Nw7 1ng with crystal palace being my primary transmitter. The signal on multiplex 30 which supplies my HD BBC stations jumps every few minutes with strength constantly being about 30% but quality jumping between 5% and 100% which makes it unwatchable.
All Standard Definition Stations are fine.
I am using manual tune on a Humax HDR FOX T2 and have tried the multiplex 56 for the BBC B HD from the *Finchley* Relay station, which is only one kilometer away, but can get no signal. I have used a attenuator to reduce the signal strength in case that is an issue.
The aerial is on the south facing wall outside, at gutter level facing the Crystal Palace transmitter. I have also renewed the coaxial connections to eliminate that as a problem.
Would be grateful for any advice on the next step please.
Thanks. John Kirby.
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MikeB8:01 PM
john kirby: Looking at the digitaluk page, your doing everything right. 22km is not that far, and Crystal Palace is lower in the scan than the relay station. A Fox T2 has a very sensitive tuner, so you'd expect a great signal - if anything, far too strong, yet your only getting 30% on an HD mux. Yes, its jumping up and down in quality, which is what you'd expect, but its not like your certainly getting too strong a signal. And the Finchley transmitter is very close, and the bearing should be close enough to pick it up, yet nothing.
I think this is JB38's/David Lindsay's area, but I do have a suggestion. You've changed the coax, but have you thought of just getting an indoor aerial, just to check? Just borrow one, and see if its works. The other thing to check is the SD signal level - if its OK but low, then the HD channels are going to suffer more.
Be interested to see what the problem is, because that is just strange!
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jb3811:54 PM
John kirby: Although fully appreciating your thinking behind trying to receive BBC HD channels from Finchley's 13 watts relay station, you have to look at the situation from the point of view, that even without an attenuator being fitted in line with the aerial input connection on your TV, you might find difficulty in receiving that station anyway, as not only does it transmit on vertical polarity compared to that of Crystal Palace on horizontal polarity, its also situated at an angle roughly half way to the reception dead spot on your aerial, that being 90 degrees from the signal path, the attenuator being the likely cause of killing any signal that may have been received, hence the "no signal" indication.
What value of attenuator have you temporarily placed in line with your aerial facing towards Crystal palace? as the possibility exists the value of said attenuator is too low, this being why you are experiencing the problem.
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Friday, 26 June 2015
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jb3812:13 AM
John kirby: I also meant to mention, that the signal path from the Crystal Palace transmitter suffers from a mild restriction @ approximately just under 4 miles out from you location, something which under certain conditions could have an affect on your reception.
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Monday, 29 June 2015
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Floris4:58 PM
I am moving nearby Penge West station and Crystal Palace. I have been told there are no communal aerials in the building and they are not allowed on the roof. It is likely therefore that I will need some form or portable aerial or other means to get TV. Any thoughts?
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Dave Lindsay
6:43 PM
6:43 PM
Floris: I would suggest that you would have to be terribly unlucky not to receive a good signal so close to the transmitter!
So much so that you should NOT purchase an indoor aerial which has an in-built booster (amplifier). You should also be aware that you could potentially have too high a signal level, owing to being so close to the transmitter, and that this can appear as if the signal were too small, what with the signal level and quality level potentially constantly dipping downwards.
The preferable part of the building as far as reception goes is the side on which the transmitter is. That's not to say you won't receive at the other side. And hopefully with nothing metallic within the wall.
A set-top aerial is a possibility. Or if there's somewhere inside to mount an aerial (facing the transmitter through a wall) then this would be ideal at only 40cm long:
Labgear Mini-Compact Log Periodic Aerial | TV Aerials & Freeview | Screwfix.com
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