Digital Region Overlap
Brian Butterworth published on UK Free TV The old analogue TV signals provided lots of nations and regions for the public service channels, and these have large areas of overlap. Places like Yeovil, Basingstoke, Colwyn Bay, King's Lynn, York and Berwick could choose the BBC and ITV services they watched.
The old low power digital TV signals were at very low levels and reception of signals from more than one transmitter was a rare event.
All Freeview boxes automatically scan the available broadcast frequencies looking for channels, and they do this from C21 to C69. Whilst scanning, if a duplicate version of a channel is found, such as another BBC One region, they are placed in the 800-899 channel range.
The 800-899 is easy to access by pressing CH- from 1, and in most programme guides is just a single scroll up.
The transmitters in Wales also put Channel 4 on "logical channel number" 8, because the fourth position is reserved for S4/C.
Quite a few people that use the Winter Hill or Mendip transmitters (or one of the relay transmitter) will probably find that they will now have:
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What can I do about this?
There are basically three options.
OPTION 1: Live with it. If the signals are strong enough you get a few extra channels (S4/C has English subtitles). There are techniques for sorting out the channel numbers below, but any future automatic scan will restore the channels to the order you now find them in.
OPTION 2: You can clear the all of the channels from the box and manually scan for the multiplex from only one transmitter. For the details, see the transmitter pages
OPTION 3: If the Freeview box has no "manual add" option, the only technique left is to pull out the aerial, start the automatic scan and insert the aerial just before the lowest channel number appears. For example, Winter Hill this is C54.
Some Freeview boxes will show a "percentage complete" as they scan, under this scheme C21 is "0%", C22 is "2%", C42 is "42%", C54 is about "66%".
Even if you manual scan, many boxes will scan during the night for new channels and may still add channels in the 800-899 range.
9:39 AM
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Sorry guys Deaf brian took over didnt read they answers properly.... sorry... Yes I have upgraded the combiners to a Labgear F type solid metal with masthead covers.. and Upgraded the mast head and power packs... I have to say... I got all 3 regions from London, Oxford and Hanningtion with no problems..... just older boxes needs time and patience.. But the latest TV and Youview box and one other box.... once tuned in.... asks me Region? i select the Main one i want which is BBC and ITV southern.... London and Oxford is in the 800's.. why i did this.. if one region subtitles failed... go to another one its working there.. I know i am crazy with TV lol
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Rob's: mapR's Freeview map terrainR's terrain plot wavesR's frequency data R's Freeview Detailed Coverage
10:23 PM
Rob: I just noticed i spelt Brian wrong.... sorry Brian dont mean any offence to you.... oopps
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11:35 PM
Rob: So far so good its been in use for a month now almost I am happy to say it works and no cross channel interference
time will tell....
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10:46 AM
Conspiracy theory... Crystal Palace SD signals reduced
28/03/2024 to encourage Freely box sales an wean
people of making archive recordings when Freely
programmes only available for a limited period.
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11:20 AM
Sy: There aren't any Freely boxes available yet. All that has been announced so far for Freely is a couple of manufacturers will be selling TVs with Freely built in and I'm not sure if any have even gone on sale yet.
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11:17 AM
nobody: You already need a TV licence to watch most programmes on iPlayer.
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10:42 AM
nobody: You don't need a licence to watch S4C programmes on demand.
https://www.tvlicensing.c…Q291
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10:25 AM
StevensOnln1: Thanks for that, and the link. You are obviously very well informed, which makes me wonder if you have an official position in this area, rather than merely being a tv user like me.
I have to say, the requirement for a licence to "watch TV live on any streaming service (e.g. ITVX, Channel 4, YouTube, Amazon Prime Video, Now TV, Sky Go)" is a surprise to me.
Looking on YouTube, all I could find as "live streams" were Sky News, GB News and TalkTV! I need a licence for those?
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5:34 PM
Just an augmentation of what's here. I recently moved to the Beacon Hill area; our aerial has an amplifier - not very high up and pointing at some buildings. The main SD muxes were okay most of the time, but the higher TV channels, inc HD, would regularly block - often to the point of being unwatchable.
I assumed the aerial installation was less than ideal so eventually called out an engineer. He said that the signal strength and quality was great but that there are a lot of fill-in transmitters in the area such that the TV and DTT box had picked up some of those channels.
All that had to be done was to find the manual tune option and select the channel numbers coming from Beacon Hill (40-47). These automatically replaced the numbers in their 30s that had been selected automatically.
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7:11 PM
SteveM:
Quite correct with the information. In fact, as a general rule these days, if you live somewhere that can get signals from more than one region or transmitter even in the same region, it is always best to do a check which channels the set has tuned to to be sure they are the ones from the wanted (primary/best signal) transmitter. If not, then clear the tuning and do a Manual tune of the wanted channels from the best transmitter(s).
As a general rule the tuning advice here (and some other sites!) is really a bit out of date, especially since the B700 clearance when there are now more transmitters sharing channels. It was all very well before DSO when signals from different transmitters were much lower power and out of region reception was very unlikely.
If tuning is done when the "wrong" weather conditions are present then you can end up with incorrect out of region tuning which isn't stable and will disappear as the conditions change.
One thing people should never do if they'd been correctly tuned, is do a Retune when they have No Signal as this often results in the correct tuning being cleared. If you have No Signal which could be due to Engineering work, a transmitter fault or weather conditions, the it's a case of being patient and wait until the issue is resolved.
Manual Tuning is often the best option.
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