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The musical.co.uk wicked the Emerald City await club, why is Netflix prepared to pay 82 billion dollars for Warner Brothers for us tell us why this week's number one they kind of couple of everything that's going to come and so they are hit the plateau and say two things happen now.

We need more inventory you feel like I've got a decent catalogue Anthony noisy not we can talk about it doesn't matter because it's still fairly new so there's a lot Legacy assets that that was offer Harry Potter

HBO stuff and and as well as things that people watch over over over and over again friends Big Bang Theory the things actually people are people guilty Pleasures only Morden Hall up kind of makes a lot of sense for them and future-proof their model and and keep subscribers very very happy and as I imagine allows them to continue to incrementally put up there describe a price and also get someone advertised as I'm bored as well because at the end of the day and then a lot of phoenixes recognise that the add Tia is becoming more more if you got lots of things that people have to try it again because I know it already it kind of makes sense from that perspective and Warners is kind of paper Max's kind of work was also ran was too late to the market.

They need a bit of a thing to keep them going and it makes sense for them to come back from cash now so it makes sense.

Obviously it's come up the back of this whole sky dance.

They were already in the market and I think it's put a lot of earthquakes in the industry, but Netflix aren't aren't stopping they might get bigger and bigger and bigger and Mike is easier to buy them to build just got a mean.

Just get to the point where I don't know from a consumer point of view.

I think it almost becomes irrelevant.

You know that the actual brand of the Universe Netflix massive platform that it is but you know the most on my Apple TV at the ones that tell me which platform to go to to watch something you know it's just become a source of new I soup and that yeah, it's a hard thing to navigate and just wondered what is that going to turn into?

Probably best and the apps that show you where to go in content and working is probably to have two or three subscription the different services.

I think a lot of people want one and it wasn't choose one and that's it and had a fight now is do you choose a Netflix that you give you all of the content.

Do you choose an Amazon which should give you some shopping and it will give you some you know Amazon fresh and then also give you some video content as well.

It's at the direction.

You want to go in and I think that people are subscription dog getting expensive now.

So you're probably going to choose one and if you're going to choose one.

It's gonna be the biggest one in the room.

So that is what cause problems I think for panic Larsson HBO Max and and the other streaming services that are subscribe A's but it's meant that Netflix have gone we need to make sure that we keep control of that and best way to be like this all up and look like I think that there's also.

So many bits of IP that suddenly Netflix will own DC studios Harry Potter adeva massive massive franchise is that when you look at Netflix's Originals work is only a couple Stranger things coming to an end.

You know the house of cars.

Let's not think it's names Wednesday maybe yeah, Wednesday's is doing alright for them sex education is finished is not actually we the Netflix franchises around there squid game and Stranger things inside both of which don't look like they're going to have a significant shelf life beyond the next series of coming out now.

They have they do need much much bigger.

Franchise is Bonds already gone to Amazon so you know picking up Harry Potter and the DC Universe is in the big moon for them about the answer to the original question about the stairs IP there's a pea-sized titles that are the motivation and much more than obviously you've got everybody know director and producer and all they were coming out with some free vocal opposition.

And everyone from Christopher Nolan to Jane Fonda and that's that it makes sense terrified kind of you know Arena for a high-end product in the cinemas and understand.

Why there's that panic filmmaker.

Did you look at some guy was one last person to sell to it's for me? It's I've gotten on specific sort of experience working Discovery during the whole Warner Brothers can a rebrand annexe I saw how much can I have uncertainty that caused the monster the ranks there and but it for me personally.

It's a strange one, but I'm I make a lot of stuff.

That's not coming big audience is on on a global level but I would never say any of that work.

It is is mainstream, so the work that I

Is this a bit more specialist in away regardless fact? It's not very nice so anything even though yeah ideal like this Arms shoulders and flattens culture that culture still needs.

It's it's standout moments is too rough Diamonds it's the things that you know some noise in in different ways, so you know as a creative with you know where creators were meant to adapt anything we do ultimately do appreciate the fact that it's a massive pressure on a lot of different businesses who are much more rely on a compliance full of IP and and you know how much more can a competitive set of opportunities and possibly where I'm working so that we've seen that the Paramount

How much sky dancer going to put in a bit to take the whole company Netflix anybody wants to sort of sexy Studios end of wbd do you think paramount Steel Netflix is consumed paramount and is now looking at it was one of the first players into this conversation and I think it's because his dad is Larry Ellison who is the oracle and depending on what day of the week was that like when I was growing up as I'd like a DVD for Christmas and like daddy.

Can I have Warner Brothers please for Christmas but I think it's a bit it has to be considered and that's why they put the numbers out there what I mean.

The money keeps going up and $30 it be probably will go up to.

Five or even more is Warner Brothers worth 100 billion a lot to talk about the fact that actually you know this whole thing is a way of stopping apparently all this could go on for a couple of years and let me know.

It's not forget the amazing adventure that was timeworn AOL 60 billion exactly but the question was always always around CNN and that what happened to seeing it and then it's like that like that a bit like well.

Take it all and you know that the interest of Mr trump for President Trump and and you know what he wants to make sure that he's inserted into every single conversation which includes this one but to be honest when it comes to the news outlet likes.

It's not surprised that suddenly is is caught the eye of a government regulators of not only is it a big outside business deal, but there's also a kind of a media and you to all of this as well all of that needs to be ironed out of flushed out and unfortunately the politics in the transaction and make sure that the trump administration works in there is a kind of like people going in and out of the different gifts to amuse that the Oval Office and it will be interesting to see how that's going to take out, but I don't think Netflix doing this.

I didn't there in the business of doing this just to have a laugh but I think it's a serious pig from Netflix and they're expecting to winner and I don't think they would have put a bid in for it unless they were supposed to go home the worst the worst case for them know they get hot $1000000 of it if it falls Parts they get you know some cash also they have put in paralysis into into Warner Brothers

Into paramount was they can colour push on with the other things that they do I think I think the Paramount bed whether or not they need to take it seriously but whether or not it is just a case to try and put the money in and make a bit of punishment.

I think both pizza serious but the general noise seems to be that the Netflix one.

It's the one that's more likely not least because it's such as much more stable platform at the moment that if you were shareholders, it's not going to be all paid out overnight you gonna wanna see success for VIP and etc and so the Netflix still give you more security and stability and maybe a lower price, but it's probably going to pay their dividends can be done the President Trump himself and regulators to do with 20-pound Max's big and a lot of Europe and I'm sure you will have a say as well.

It's also interesting is at the moment.

When you you do have a say that anything anyone in America in Paradise don't like they begin to can you do you for one reason or another so and gets a bit confusing you don't believe about the this is a kind of this is a kind way of storing and evitable paramount complete convinced either.

I didn't I don't I don't think Netflix on the business and making these sort of noises Netflix don't like to lose and I think they would only be putting a bit of thing you that there was Bill and I think there are regulatory and and you know you and America and etc that they may come up against those hurdles.

I think they need to jump over I think that they would much rather than any business.

Would do this level you would much rather have somebody say to you you much rather have the government regulator so you can't have it rather than have another compared to come in and say we're going to take it out letter prices.

My name is a bit of a challenge even for Netflix by just been for studios and stay out sat out of the channels business cheques a out of the CNN business.

They can say surround surround.

You know what we're not involved in the news.

You know we don't get involved in any of that we're just going to look after this bit and maybe actually paramount make another channel.

Is it to buy the channels and you want to murder CBS news with Barry Weiss can run it all fine.

We just want to get on with this bit strong self.

It's a strong so I'm not sure but the elephant will be just as attracted to that.

I think they won't Harry Potter 1 PC like to get to know them the same way that they Netflix stars and that is fortunately unfortunately that is where all the value is the value is in The Legacy Media channels.

It is the the pre-existing ITP and Netflix don't have as mature of a studio setup.

Stay Dubai all of the infrastructure to make programming they have a bit or but they certainly don't have a list of the scale that Warner Brothers do so it just so you know when it comes to build it or buyer this does LeapFrog what Netflix has been doing probably by a decade and if they got the cash to make it happened and why not give you a product business which is something that we had them and I might be wrong about this, but the theme parks was trying to look it up now, but it's been happening in the UK is that one of the universal theme park.

I think it's a universal Harry Potter world at Universal they don't have the rights to it because Warners have their own theme park near Harry Potter studio tour here so Netflix Netflix a doing their own experience environments in the US and they're going in to sort of shopping centres and some old cinema buildings and building kind of like that.

Anomia Netflix environments so maybe get some to the theme park business should be at the last shadow the strange things theatre production is one of my successful theatre productions in the most recent years.

It's a bit like in cinema, but also rescue Theatre but also like theme parks and experiential and so like video games.

They now will only a game studio like to do anything with that who knows I think it's but I do think they're buying it for HBO they're buying it for whydotas.

Thereby.

It's a Game of Thrones thereby it Harry Potter they're buying if that's the the headlines.

I might worry that these two vertically integrated companies.

Don't put all of their energies into the output or is the output the core everything that they do not mention Theatre next and now working events as well as film and ultimately for a long time now.

That's the the big and Simon draw is you know what you experience do I get to blame Instagram at the very least MMA moments a huge amount of people lose their jobs.

You know it within management and and you never really know how much are they covered matic factor of of a company that you have talent the understands that the unsaid is lost and you know and generic things can become but you know when you absorb compare the size of walnuts.

How do you know where do you be getting how many years does that actually take you put Netflix already saying don't worry business as usual because obviously the dating bombarded the least 4 years which so not judging areas in power that might not like that idea of you both.

Another ministration a couple of years before we really know w w w election news just broken into open AI and as part of that deliver licence David 200 characters from the Disney stable after you since order and chat GPT it means you can get to do whatever you want.

This is good news version of Mickey that you were going to pop up anyway, so I think it's being at the table right and saying it and also given the volatility in the Iron District which I don't think is well place, but the given the

Around the world of the corporations, it's that the other the probably got some bank for the book characters can be used by by anybody know I don't know if he used it.

I'm not sure that is available in the UK if you don't know it is like a tick tock load, but I think it is a generator.

It's almost like they created a whole world war Gardiner saying anything you see in this is going to be a generated that is an interesting idea the issue that we have right now is that there is so much money going into AI there is very little when it comes to how you make that profitable how how you can monetize this AI engine.

It's not using it at the

Using a pretty much for free you know how can we make sure that we actually get some the money off the back of this and there's a conversation that advertising and conversation as descriptions and etc etc and also licencing still is that I don't think that Disney have you don't see a lot of their content on YouTube or tiktok or Instagram a lot of that is user generated content is result anyway.

Just got the rivals on what is size 3 platform which I think is getting almost all of his eyeballs.

They're not seeing the copyright in any of that you know Mickey Mouse and then maybe a whole generation that will never see if it does work for which it could well, be it will then become the thing that's on my phone and then if it does a result that you're going to see a lot of Disney characters.

Yes, they may be a I can't mini cartoons.

Anti vaxxer of light putting Darth Vader and Anita video with Streisand and lots of videos of the queen on that you know the House of Parliament which is ridiculous and hilarious at same time, but it is all at once it all settles down into being content that people want to see ideas new ideas new stories etc.

It does make sense that give me a ring that conversation this early on that place.

I guess they're placing a bet it's all will be the app the next app that a lot of people download and then click onto can't get the five seconds of entertainment and if Mickey Mouse or marvel or Pixar are the entertainment pipeline then that's probably a good thing for Disney's animated characters of things that they control so there any places in previous productions are not be able to be remixed well at the moment.

I mean every 1-2 years to go back to the actress, Triton and probably.

To that, but it's got a big advertising moving me and when you sit and talk about it.

She said subscribers for the platforms and networks and one of those you know is amazing.

How quickly anything like any form of narrative working with people just don't know about something that was 7 years ago cultural stuff.

Just fall off the radar speed that is quite unbelievable.

I don't know but this weekend yes and and there was talking about the lack of awareness within the alpha generation and destination that sort of you know it is not about people not know about 9:11.

Which was the whole 24 years ago is the X Factor is that the few years ago and you know it's not a lifetime.

For some people it is really recent history, but it's given off the radar so that you're having is its profile profile move was looking at the code in in charge ept and references to collect adhooks that clearly looking at advertising to appear in in the app investment into it some people are saying it's on sustainable Investments from Britain to it.

So they need to do these deals and I think the sort of thing is is the sleeping giant here because it is video and I think I think it's a lot easier to advertising against video that is he going to text and chat.

What's that people don't wanna know what's happened been trying for a while that's exactly but you don't want to have it kind of dynamic.

They have recognised.

It's a lot easier to put it advertised.

content content content because it doesn't feel as you know like people what you're talking to it as opposed to just passing the viewing it but it's quite kind of nervous WhatsApp branded content ads in Gmail Gmail ads there are in there just because I don't use it enough to kind of track it and then you just go in and out with this is this is really happening, so it's not that long before WhatsApp every third messages applied for some flowers of the spear adverts will see you in a bit and then we'll dive into my xxx film hello Media club listeners Patrick hear from podcast Discovery B podcast marketing company where this week we've been thinking about Talent so you've managed to secure a big name for your

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Just had to the media club.com to sign up for free my friends are still with me you going to watch Eurovision that's a load of question is a absolute.

There's a lot of snow in that unit, but it's only by the Olympics they are exceptional and and the camera working and lighting work in it and and the way that show us together even absolute masterclass in television and it'd be really sad me that they have managed to get themselves in his political longmire by transfix found it further and further and further regarding to put your views on roof of the geopolitical of the world.

Play something awful things that happening around the world right now.

They've kind of done this weird thing with the expanded its Australia and understand their kind of taking the Euro out of it and it's just a big music show spectacle which is fine you want to do the little children have their cake and eat it by going well.

It's not really it is it is a European voting you know it's probably more people vote in the UK so we are in this kind of really strange world where they're trying to say that it's not just about joy, but they know that like bye-bye alaine people be flag bearers things as a result be looking at criticised for certain trees that are never has been dancing.

You know I don't think that people vote on that show based on what they think is the best song what was it like? It is there is a show.

It's really sad that the you haven't given the opportunity to have a conversation about what the best way through the stairs and an hour in a place where people have like me kind of feel like they got a bit of watching something that previously I have got a lot of hours or because I think it is an incredible production spectra call and now it's you know.

It's you can't watch it more to that story as well probably next few months and no doubt for Sky and Nick cave's veiled world what I guess you've made over the years, but that's not what I do.

What was the right mix two police vans and and be open to other people with this phone Nick

Participates and sort of authorises very very few documentaries.

He makes his own and stars his own and you very much good within the creative circle that this documentary haven't really quickly and tie into the killing of so approaching the songs of as you said made a few of these music documentaries on one hand is a cat an Instinct for a lot of people to biography and on the other you know it's this car pull to the creative process in both of those things come with difficulties.

You know I work in you order and the amount of times people talk about how we want a picture documentary about the history of New Order on you meant to do years in 90 minutes away.

Is it possible you can get there with 10 series of the podcast and so whenever to be fantastic scars.

Exists in the Survivalist Rita and all that but yeah, they're approach.

Everything is going to creative process first which brings about a whole load of the challenges in it because you create a process is nearest Nike trainer bottle whitening right so with Nick overcomplicated artistry always phases and his life that the reactor quite clever device to take apart.

That was him who is a complex artist himself over to sell to him.

This is going to be an interesting thing possibly a little bit but I wouldn't have made the film without having without having a concept for it the first Minister's hey man.

I do concept so the question the cast was was really necessary because she hasn't seen the phone.

It's kind of configure around the fact that Nick is a very literally Ryton it doesn't just right.

The Red Hand files on the same but is lyrics having written the time but he's very very literally based and you know we are looking for what you did.

We just found that there is a repeating archetypes which I got a new thing but no not really looked at Cannock avian archetypes and so we broke down about 5, that's when you know you've got to find a cast to speak to that and we didn't want anybody who was a commentator.

So it was everybody was a friend or a collaborator and then we end up with this extraordinary casts as you said you know Warrington Dr Rowan williams' being sorted to The Maltings also flea Red Hot Chili Peppers and Colin from Radiohead and some amazing Minds learning motion in the 17th.

We couldn't stop in the Editors often the case that when you start these things sometimes rent with advocaat snowball the fact.

I've never ever made a film where I felt at the kind of IQ

Intellect and the Cosmic and that's a good day work because make an equations with was quite so high is it is in this film and extraordinary we made in 10 weeks which is no mean feat anyway, but of the film with that level of insight and existential staff.

It's a review from the man himself.

Yes, I mean it's it's interesting as it was it was to find the right word to say it was authorised cos that can you study heavy-handed it wasn't certain a foregone conclusion that you don't have the documentary happened.

You know that there's a kind of process of this mychristie.

I had a process of looking at all the work, but then of course he said there was also figure out the idea and then it is involved.

It's a very very light touch.

Who was involved in the production person but he won't be did obviously help us get the computers you want it and also suggested a few of us, Canterbury was the last one through the door and that was very much kind of the Christian Faith now.

Yeah, I mean I think it's not unusual for people to do who talked about addiction to end up in a kind of river just place especially if you're the 12-step program involved, so it is a familiar familiar journey, but it's not familiar story.

It's got a unique story and uni film and answer the question.

I think both Nick and sees his wife and the management you know they didn't see any got until they saw The Final Cut and we got quite an unexpectedly, Powerful

Kids access docks things like the David Beckham documentary, where are there involving is so strong.

There's nothing in that but they they wouldn't like but it guarantees participation.

What's your take on whether the strength of those those pieces you only get these people who maybe you wouldn't get normally but is there an unsaid part but I think there's a problem or the case last time you know we both got the different with the chance.

I think you'll use to see that and anxiety especially from any broadcaster a public service remit about having at the subject to documentary involved in any way to give Nikki's credit.

That's exactly what you avoided.

You know but having said that I think these days people do understand the most.

I think celebrity advisors weather understand that you know the viewing public knows you know what hagiography is to avoid it.

I've actually time in finished my next music film in the last week and that is with a major name and it could have been that could have been and where the was the what the word discussions about the fact that in that film there was two sides to connect the character that you haven't really seen before blue sequin.

So so very honest as long as discussions about whether they should or shouldn't Indian and fortunately that girl the right way in those moments are in the better for it, but yeah, we got much very discerning kind of Us ship these days and the audience know them know you know when it's not authentic.

Oh, yes, so Fearless Felix Baumgartner right it's been 10 years after falling from the edge of space in your film your to revisit that moment.

What was that like to come have a look back on what amazed me when we look back on it was that no really forensically looked at the jump itself and so obviously it actually moment and he was something that you know passed away quite recently quite tragically it was an extraordinary.

Can I think because no one really broken down what happened to the spectacle was such that you and everything but obviously you think more about the the output than input you didn't actually the film that my can I am very very lucky to have many many many moons ago and he looks exactly that which was.

Going to doing some things that these athletes do and I do think it's part of the most fascinating part of that's why you want to watch this you want to watch this biopics you wanting these people who do amazing things you've heard of them you want to know how they got there and that's why my thumbs are not really exceptional back that project MC2 a cost.

I mean it's saying about money.

I mean obviously send years ago with us and Felix was not sure if making sure you got a very healthy for you know.

What what he did and it was the strange thing to the strange thing to eat to to revisit and the great thing about that when he stepped out of the capsule in real-time for something like 18 seconds or 20 seconds, but you know in the cast of it and because the amount of thinking and emotion it was going on from his different people speaking about it.

I think it lasted for 1/2 min.

It's the longest kind of 14 off of step in the history of steps.

They got a lot of the that the fame from that brands involvement in in mediabrands involvement in culture and in some ways the day they underpin quite a lot of interesting activity and yeah, I mean it's changed and I worked together on on the denim Castle documentary of and I worked for Daniel made a film called Imaginate that had 100 million views in English 2011 2012 when we made it, but it's that you don't really see that anymore and those what always I always worry about those sorts of projects and you know the carry-on policy engage with them because I saw athletes from the off the jump London documentary you mentioned earlier from your

Athletes as artists I saw what they did is kind of creative work creative acts and I don't worry things that Red Bull worked out quite early on and enabled with allowing some of these asked to create these incredible can divisions that with the sort of thing that they'd kind of spitball on over in the ear and cannot win any great builder and ice Palace and you know roller skates all over it whatever been there when you come ok? I made a film called human pinball.

Well, you know in the building.

I mean wait 25 tons with this Q&A free places in London beginning after you know Building and that was a I want to be a ball with a pinball machine.

You know this freerunner and so we built this 25m 45-degree pinball set in a it's kind of face that goes into enabling those those ideas and yeah, I get it.

You know there's obviously I commercial.

What does a return on investment used to be the logos with a small and that's supposed to change branding that was genuinely genuinely your culture building in some kind of world-building and a lot of you know I've worked a lot with a lot of different extreme and action sports that really really needs not leave Parker with no one to turn off.

You know you carphone bring something to the world, but can't change is a lot of people's lives.

It's an interesting phenomenon to watch grow out of an energy drink company or whatever outlier or other brands that are taking on the mantle and doing good content work.

I can't hear the word parkour that thinking that the office meme inside everywhere gets popularised by

Literally popular culture before the highlight of my career.

You know whatever you know French and Saunders spoofed from London without onions top and I think I seen that I think I'm actually put it on my website cos it's because their licence plates from London to include any but it's an absolute career-high link to sleep in the same company.

They are companies understand that you can invest in culture and then you can reap the rewards of being part of that have always been very very sorry about that where they can change because they hit a new headache which is the highest sugar high fat high salt laws there meant the like.

I think there's going to be a bit more problematic for the

But I think that you know the brands that can I want to be one invest in culture and not just want to stick to ground on top of it, but someone already exists if you watch the Coca-Cola Christmas is coming advert Santa Santa drinks Coke Zero now, so we can be on television Formula 1 Andover the sportswear.

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What's this big news coming out of Isleworth Channel 4 on commenting but the papers are all say it to donedeal.

Where do I put the end this about the new channel4.com who has come from sky Media which is advertised.

And she will be taking up the new position at horse road as new channel 4.

See you at the leave early next year.

Hopefully everything so content as well as as well as business you pissed off to the Channel 4.

Have you heard of her before or not? I haven't heard her name in The Running for the for this.

I don't I don't work in advertising so I wasn't aware of her name more generally but from everything I've heard it's been 15 in 24-hours to hear the news was broken but University positive things.

I think is a good choice.

Nothing that you look at it as an appointment.

It makes a lot of sense and I do I must say that like I think it's it's worth a word.

I think it's been there for a very long time and is an incredibly good job at Channel 4 been there for about 15 years and I think and

Interim CEO and I believe that he said at the RTS Cambridge festival that he had his name to be considered fancy a job and I think a lot of people felt like he would have been really good appointment and so it will be interesting to see what his next move.

I believe there are other senior jobs at other broadcasters that are available at the moment so be interesting different to the Hallmark Channel 4 and Alex man who was the previous CEO one of her.

She had challenges one was making Channel 4 more regional and then the second was at what three really you know what they're called future for a think it was so fast forward which was making sure that channel 4.

Is is a streaming and digital public service broadcaster which they've made a lot of intros into and it was obviously the the craziness of whether or not we will be private Eyes or not.

What's what's going to do something to it? Which week they kind of weather through that question is about the reason of the regionalisation of Channel 4 are they going to move out of London is it? Is is that going to continue now? It's a new strategy from that perspective.

I don't feel like this.

Government is as hostile to Channel 4 and hopefully won't be as as as tricky experience so Studios what they do is Studios that's going to be on her gender right mate.

Yeah, I mean I just think for me was really substantial part of my early career really really want to see them also just going through some more creative than experiment energy works hartnett's in Egerton

Mike Mike yes, this is Gogglebox going to Hollywood theme tune that's not bad looking so pretty good.

I think it's party Stand Up to Cancer Special episodes.

Yeah, just answer because I really love to see Kieran Culkin watching Home Alone and go it's nearly here in the making we all knew he was on the way out in a pack Terina they've announced his replacement packed.

This is about Nigel Waller taking up the new position is the head of packed from the irrepressibles.

And actually going back to a previous story.

I think the first thing is going to land in his intro.

He's going to be in-house production at Channel 4 that is a big thing that packed making a lot of noise about that may have a significant impact on the indeed market so imagine that prayer and Nigel are already looking at each other calendars to make sure they can get a lovely Soho lunch in M&S and he's also been at the Motion Picture Association the mpi if he's got quite a lot of this game and he knows what he's talking about and I think it's like a really really good replacement for John but it's got a lot in their life.

They got a lot to do with right now and and the end-effector is Easter and channel for BBC iTV you no need to be held to account about how they work in the moving forward because I think a lot of them are feeling very nervous right.

On the quiz a special prize you can transfer it out of it you can find a new CEO for the Global Media club business and I can do that if I take the flat and Mike and thanks.

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