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I corner to members of the media talk about this week's news Maggie Brown and media writer and efficient storage of Channel 4 welcome back to the car.

Well, story member membership card goes back a long time but who would you like to bring is your plus one today? Well, I would really like but I know I can't have whittam Smith I suppose I should call him Sir Andreas whittam Smith a real gentleman of a journalist.

I had a quite important role in The Lord of the Independent newspaper which I joined in 1986 CC sadly passed away has passed away at the weekend after I think quite a long illness and he was 88 years old which is a good age.

I was quite you lots of different things on lots of boards actually went back into but he did one role as some basically supervising the standards for film and television.

Actually running the business and financial side of the Daily Telegraph and that's how I got to know him because I was on the Guardian and before that I was on a completely failed eventually at the financial weekly.

You were there for the for the Lawton also bought in a copy of the first dummy that you created as well.

What happened with that one of my reasons Andreas chose me have been tracking me as a journalist.

I have to say the thing that was really important to back financially for me was that they had never actually well.

I mean nobody has actually launched a newspaper.

That's what it comes down to and nobody knew had to do and they chose to do it in a very bad way and of course it didn't really work and just was always tracking me you said to me what I want you to do.

Write down everything that went and how you should avoid it and so I did and because one of the things I said was that everything that can go wrong will go wrong.

It's like going towards.

This is like warm and everybody knows that you have to be prepared and do them.

You know change change quickly and that's what I learnt and so that's what we did that address of posthumous addition to the to the video leader so you going to give you a plus one to this week to the people that employed by talking and cream with talking before about local newspapers and we will get links to think about first hired me Sean Duggan the editor of new verse South London and David Rankin so shout out to them but no actually don't the one I want to bring into the media club is Tony Thomas

I'm sure you will heard of his Swedish is the vice chair of would give honour the Swedish publicis.

He's had a good week because you said what so many European Media leaders out loud and that m is failing to stop scam at and not only that is not an accident.

It's actually baked into the business model and there's a fantastic weight which I didn't press Gazette and great publication as you know he says I'm looking to clean the only build the highway and not responsible for Speed as I personally corrected them to say that a better comparison is drug crimes it may be that matter does not actually handover uses the matter is smuggling drugs into Sweden so that I can make money out of it the very model selling sponsored posts without pre check-in the content is what makes it possible for criminals to deal with letter of 6 years ago when I was it campaign magazine.

I wrote about Martin Lewis who actually settled with Facebook because his face was appearing in all these scammers and here.

We are 6 years later and that still happening.

Well done to Thomas I wish more people take you definitely about Facebook and in some some emails.

I think I've come in and out the court case with Mark Zuckerberg saying things like let's not show the videos kids upload to their parents are out this products won't be able to launch properly that there's a lot of things to still come out of those early days Facebook I mean that you can understand why one might accuse Facebook of being secretive because the more that revealed about them the worst it looks ok at the moment will be talking windowing see you print.

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It's funny.

I actually forgot their friends was on Netflix and I remembered that we used to do early and official blessing see but they used to do little windows into what people watching Netflix and friends despite more than 10 years after shutting down friends with the most popular show and it just shows that the nature of what people watch.

Little different nowadays, but you know about 10-years where you had this come streaming Wars will it seemed like an arms race but now it seems more like a car boot sale because you look at various platforms and the same shows are popping up here there and everywhere so there's not much differentiation our friends was still pretty much at the top of Netflix is a list of 25 years on now from from Friends finishing which is remarkable and they were paying something like 80 to 100 million year for the rights to put friends on Netflix but why is it? Why is it going next will it's going to HBO Max which is seem to launch in the UK and it's BMX is NBC universal Warner Brothers Discovery global streaming platform and because licencing rights sky has had the exclusivity of H2O content for some time in the UK is coming to an end things going to change and lots of content is going to be on HBO Max and that is a property that they own.

In America for intend streaming site titles now appear on more than one platform ok, and it's happening in the UK as well.

I remember when I TVX launched 230 years ago and they were openly talking about their window in strategy where you saw this huge secondary market for titles appear all over the place where lots of Disney titles were exclusively ITV formalised out with the windowing deal between his two companies now.

So it seems that is considered as an important as it was 70 thing is you have to have marquee Talent I guess friends is sort of it's actually so popular it's essential for the HBO Max to establish themselves, but you still on the lot of my TV stuff all ITV stomach pains in the Netflix charts and content moving around Maggie think even by consumers saying.

We just want good content everywhere and we can no longer follow it across the different streamers.

I get confused myself actually so I mean and I'm supposed to know what I'm doing so I do think it is a kind of surplus really opportunity at the same time usually one can find something wants to watch thank goodness, but I agree with you about ITV X when it first launched excited but I thought gosh you know this is this is worth checking out all the time and now I'm looking at my think well.

Do I really know that sometimes I doing sometimes ok interesting they got some tissues appeared on ITV that's trying to get people to apply to the x something.

I will so ugly sometimes watching Channel 5 because they don't seem to be doing so much of that and this I'm very stupid, but they do occasionally have things.

Play for the day that I don't know if that came from anywhere else, but I think the original so I do actually like a few of those sort of opportunities, but to be absolutely fine with you as I should save this program, but I have been so consumed by the news and current affairs that I have to admit that a lot of my viewing when it's live viewing has actually gone rather than the drama the rest of it.

They should be sort of Seeking out and films so I am I'm just praying actually that we can have a nice quiet time but every would be friends, then I can sort of sit down and watch something like friends.

You know love you to watch and so what do we do if you can't hang your hat on friends with them legs etc.

Etc.

Then who's going to benefit from their it's going to be a Samsung's going to be a TV makers.

It's going to be a streaming TV makers because

Increasingly consumers it going to be using those electronic comic guys on the TV bed have just going straight to platform and then we run into questions about prominence which is the biggest PSPs in the UK at how are you actually going to make sure that consumers are getting access to Quality content not just whatever Samsung's dinner deal with my dad, so it's much harder now for broadcast.

It's actually know who the middle not because you don't have a selection of these devices you can sort of not realise that actually Samsung are scheduling and promoting a certain actually help the case for the BBC actually because if I know that buys and stuff but my feeling is that a very strong brand where you have production built into it not all of it might be the BBC and I know I obviously there are ways in which the Natural History programmes kind of find the way around the place, but it does Strike me, but I kind of well-known friend if you like some.

Organisation you kind of understand is in a better position than you might have thought it is nothing to do with the big boys.

Don't we have a second division of streamers and so we often talk about something like paramount plus isn't quite the content that may be Netflix or a BBC has successfully maintain their position.

I think so and I think is Maggie says it might be in might actually put in a stronger position going forward because I listen to your previous episode on mipcom which was fantastic and YouTube obviously had a big presents the only thing that YouTube could you is it now in new model where you showcase yourself on YouTube and you get picked up by a distributed by producer that babe.

I think when we're moving to a world where consumers are finding it hard to get good contents the more trusted Media property that you are you stand to gain particularly a world where AI slot is coming on the Python already affecting us consumers are going to gravitate towards Trust

I think could benefit greatly from discussions and Maggie about should.it be acquired by comcast and sky it leaves BBC Channel 4 is kind of the Graham broadcasters discussion and this we come back to this time and time again about elements of BBC and Channel 4 moving together.

I mean having the streaming together.

Would that be actually a good thing for BBC and Channel 4? I honestly don't know I know I really don't know and I don't quite know what the photo ITV will be there's a side of me because I'm going to divide it if it happens obviously the broadcasting will go to Chromecast side and Sky and then who knows what about the actual production and how are they going to stop giving they have all these so-called Public Service Broadcasting obligations the everyday first thing in the morning as check the ITV share price and it isn't really going anywhere this is.

Indication that a degree of uncertainty built into giving her volatile markets are and how giving you know there's a lot of money / and around if you really want to do something as we can actually with the Telegraph so I don't know what the what the answer is one of the things.

I do think though is that the appeal full ad-free programming is getting ever and ever more appealing because the actual ad breaks in the unregulated set to can be extremely annoying so there's up so that building to the whole sort of where the public going to know but I'm in the most recent information from Ofcom not in its position at the moment.

It's not a very strong in my opinion regulate remember that they have the starting to do all their work on charter renewal, which of course happens in.

27 Wychwood close to it now and one of the things they have found that 83% of the British Public in a week do watch the BBC which is quite high get and that the attrition rate rate is coming down a bit so I'm not saying that I need to call you, but not as speed.

This is kind of out of it and this is one of the quite sad things about the BBC most recent debacle.

I think that Tim Davie was actually getting a line to the fact that you need to have a lot of content or programming that there are lots of people with the BBC stamp on it, so you could bring back.

Maybe I mean.

I don't know if you saw this I did because my husband so it but on Saturday there was the British heavyweight boxing championship and he was really pleased you had it on the BBC don't you see this is how they're getting to the you know that the people who like this sort of and I thought you know he's

When did I last see this kind of boxing that you would normally see probably behind a paywall on tonight, but it's not nothing is static.

You know that and it could be that we're not quite as on the edge with the establishment classed as we might think me up as media platforms of changing the podcast hosting sells platform a cast noise at this week with a deal that up cells are they YouTube offer Omar a cast has largely sold audio ads in podcasts previously but obviously because we never realised to what does this deal allowance to do for the first time will the EU creating bigger Media properties for podcast as where your building was going to safe and that sounds to Grantham

Multi very big name surrounding lots and lots of people at their see the opportunity not least because in America they were calling at the podcast election and seen what people like Joe Rogan and do a Castleblayney into that and you know what you think about.

How will we start off with podcasts all about rssv degree, but actually opportunities so much more than that.

I'm the lucky you guys on a car to start leasehold audio ads on the RSS feeds limited into into the MP3 for people download video has grown.

That's meant they cost hasn't been able to particularly on YouTube I think this Steel does is it allowed to sell into YouTube kind of for the first time which is quite a good day of a cause you to have to bless.

You.

Don't they to allow you to sell some ads in there in there on a platform to bring up the thing with Mick Coleman YouTube so many people look at creators have been.

Amazing and a selfie young people nowadays one of the things they want to be when they grow up as an influencer.

I would say it's fully harder to be an influencer, then.

It's rocket science nowadays you think about the YouTube model for internet calibre.

Hi benchmark touching making money from the thing let alone have a career on it.

What an A-Class allows you to do is as you say be a preferred supplier.

Will you get better rates on CPM then you would be if you were an independent person and YouTubers where the action happens with all these people if we get discoverability as well the algorithm is and you'll get better at targeting.

Also keeps that Talents within a cast gang as a different place.

You can go to be to be monetized what I can do it audioboom other companies if they can offer more chances to make more money.

I like it to keep those little more on a look one of the biggest in hindsight mistakes that big broadcasters in particular made in the last 20-years is not seen your opportunity with YouTube and think.

YouTube videos you know that's fine, isn't it? If they don't Lee see me opportunity to actually create their own academies too much of the BBC have done this as part of its public service remit to actually bring up the Next Generation generators of radio producers and on their Talent but actually had a ugc platform that showed in the BBC way to do this and the more that you can I cast Spotify even can actually bring through that if I could have a premium Eugene creator the internet be so much better for it.

So you can actually have a more premium version of what increasingly younger audiences want to consume and pads older audiences increasingly too as well.

Obviously created can kind of go direct to audiences my balls and can make them more famous candy.

Yes, I'm just thinking I was just thinking you said such an important.

But you know everybody just clusters around the the failure to go ahead with the I can't remember what it was called now remember by kangaroo.

Sorry.

Yes, I think it was and I mean that says it's in my history of the seen as one of the big kind of Flaws and mistakes which it was and tightly but at the same time what you're saying is is actually another way round that if it was the BBC have probably still had to go and get permission for it.

This is the problem really that it didn't really open up enough the fundamentals me know is that the internet has democratized content creation don't just leave it to and agnostic platform.

There isn't brandsafe that doesn't have standards.

It doesn't care with us cameras appearing all over the place giving history actually have broadcasters.

You know what they're doing have values have compliance history.

Them to bring for the next generation of all I'm sure YouTube might disagree with that characterization, but also at the same time have broadcasters missed the boat but also for the content creators of opportunities.

Are you saying it's difficult to get rid 22ft to get awareness be purely relying the algorithm.

That's that's difficult is the BBC or Channel 4 or sky movie the answer that question 44 creators strong brands are repeat what I said before about in an age of increasing AI slop and consumers will I think flocked to tried-and-true brands of the understanding that have values and in you mentioned briefly before in the discussion about Channel 4 and what's going to happen if ITV is bought by comcast sky well then you left with the situation with only two UK broadcasters major ones in this country are owned by the government.

So you so what do you commercial you would pay for Channel 4 Under

Regime so what's left if you can actually have more aggressive attitude towards Public Service Broadcasting + content creation.

I think there's an opportunity where it doesn't the it doesn't it's also I think the other thing is you know we're waiting to see quite what the terms of trade are for Channel 4 given that they have been able now to make money out of the program.

So they commission they will be able to own content so that may open up an opportunity to do something a bit more exciting ready to look at the BBC have a commercial operation in the UK TV channel UK TV advertising could we see a future you've got to sort of ad funded public broadcasting you got a subscription from the public broadcaster ignoring all the names that be the most anyway.

We got maybe maybe.

Sing up at the sun where everything is it is now slightly more through it because we're having a 22-year upbringing to the new chart of the BBC where such voices such as it was all to be heard just break when marketing and media agency omnicom recently acquired into public the intention was to knockout competitor and increase profits on the media leader this week, but it's not I think I'm only matters if you know what to do with it and you know I quoted you know someone who knows far more resting then I of a will at the late Charlie Munger you use an example of a textile that they Berkshire Hathaway bought and some new to this event is coming and said this is things going to save you loads of money will save you loads of money and Warren Buffett partner said all I hope not because if it hasn't had to close the middle and the problem was easy, but they operate in a very competitive market and what happens if technology going to lower your cost, then while we was going.

You can have to lower prices for consumers because there's nothing that differentiates.

You don't have pricing power and omnicom for those who don't know it's it was the second world's biggest advertising agencies group has bought into public the fourth biggest and has become by distance the first Now That's girl was great in the short-term, but look what happens you mentioned icon for the meal with an hour's of pointing announce 14804 1000 redundancies 10000 jobs to go off to that.

So it shows you the scale of the financialization and the mean that we need to do to make this to happen and long-term what really differentiates anon-v.com from the arrivals at publicis wppe against who have ass.

Not much in terms of services, not much internal balance and even worse than that they've got rid of three of their creative brands and I will argue that the only thing that really distinguishes these companies anymore is what little creativity they have left also, what does it mean?

Discount yeah because if they know that fundamentally you offer the same service as awp Republic sister going to say you've just got rid of people so that must mean that your Corsa going down.

So can you give me a 10% reduction if your Volkswagen or the UK government's since they only come by the government's Media country that Santa French owned company, isn't it? So the other two are American company outside it looks like that if you like we're going back to the word all the bad old days.

Where advertising is around basically New York is this actually going to affect the European side of it.

All doesn't it matter now? I don't think it matters so much because they all have a global footprints.

Yes, and they're always going to be big houses that need to work with this company is because of the global footprint that they have increasing because of technology automation increasingly AI they may there's going to be even less and as I say I is the equivalent.

The textile Mill in Independence Day been playing for since essentially the 1990s if your clients for a big organisation you can use meta business suite as well.

You know you don't actually need that expertise that was me and you no matter what all over advertising week in the York couple of months ago where they are essentially doubling down on the message that they've been saying all year which is we can affect agency.

You know we got all the dashboard.

We got all the days that you need we can do your Media planning for you and obviously experts that actually have clients interests at heart with an agency land say that this is but if your client and particularly maybe for a marketer who struggles to defend the importance of creativity in turn leads to a CFO in organisation the agency isn't really giving you the tools.

You to be able to combat a metal when it says I'll just do it for us cheaper and we know we know your business internet be cheaper advertising will be cheaper than willing to do that right the actual businesses will be but not necessarily better if you need a distinctive looking feel for your brands.

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We've been talking about in the club this week.

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She's got your money on Maggie well.

I've got my money on Sunday I don't think I don't know this is just my into a fraction ok Mark Thompson I return from that's what I think.

Why do you think he will return to his old Castle

But he is a perfect fit because his stuff is experienced.

He's come up through the BBC he loves the BBC he's made a lot of money in his other jobs including of course as we know and I'm being very commercial so I thought I was probably very soon on this but I did say it because I've been at st.

Brides quite a bit and November because I very commemorations and I saw somebody I know well and she said to me.

What do you think about the BBC so I said well, you know I think Mark Thompson is the perfect fit and she said yes, she said and I have heard that is so I and she's better.

You know LinkedIn the me so all I can say is that I have one person.

She might have just been thinking for God's sake marrybrown against go away.

Situation where probably Warner Brothers will change CNN why is he is at the moment is about to be bought by paramount skydance.

They're going to do something with c and it's not going to be fun probably merged with CBS news III imagined so if there was a time for him to go now would be the time do you think you'll think Mark and return of you got someone else that will be good BBC DG committed Catholic and Christian and he isn't quite as he seems I mean of course.

You know everybody wants salon money if they can get it and he has done it, but he has done it through Talent it isn't just I'll give me the Money and Run Away you know so I don't I say this is I'm feel I'm sort of skating on ice.

Stick job, I think the fact that will probably scratch my head's a little bit wondering just shows you the predicament that the BBC is in it shouldn't be actually that difficult and I suppose of the BBC spend the decade fight.

Why is the looking around and no one left to build the Benjamin it shouldn't be like that and I don't think it's a succession problem.

I think it's my identity problem that suggestion that may be going forward the director general role has to be broken up because of TF4 one person that we were doing it.

Does it have to be the heads editorial content and cheapest in does it have to be more commercial person is always thing yes to all those things so the BBC needs to fundamentally sort out.

What is the director general in the year 2013 beyond and then decide who does it was a lot of discussion about having a strong and deputy you.

Do you do have to have director-general or whoever? It is who is his stuff.

I mean this is not an easy job and it is not a very comfortable job and it probably only lasts for 5 and whatever you do.

I mean I mean it's not impossible and so all I can think is that there are there are not people's kind of knocking on the door the BBC you feel at the moment of the right sort of people so you have to actually go back a bit and just think what would you do if you really cared about the BBC I do definitely and I I actually think it must be must be around properly but I also think of come.

I was actually I won't read them out, but I was reading order of the things of Commerce

Supposed to be doing and I mean it is completely overwhelmed as a long one that needs sorting out too as well as the distracted well, where do I say? I think it's been terribly wrong with off coming round, but I've been covering it right from the start when they were the baiting how to do it is it? I think it really missed the trick on children it was obvious in the 10 years after the decade after it was set up in labour party.

Been a big kind of development children were going to need to be protected on an adult something that needed to be rules and what do they do they basically we're not very interested in children's television at all in fact.

They they grab some of the requirements to do it and so we now at the stage.

Where yes, we are getting extremely worried about what's that? What's been happening to children in not just through the Explorer sexual.

Other things but it's very late in the home and nobody really take any notice of it.

I'm not saying I'm a saint because I'm not but I do think that of com is well.

I wrote I wrote a list of all the things they do it's just the stuff also this weekend more about Australia protection blocking social media for for younger audiences really going for it and I'm happy teams over their Wi-Fi is being cynical.

I'd say that Rupert Murdoch and in 70% of the nickname for the market in Australia would have something to do with it is very different but no it's it's interesting in it shows him we seem to a similar extent what's happening can?

Out with much tougher protections for broadcasters and children these are big issues that any Media organisational have to handle the thing that the BBC you can't run 100 organisation in constant crisis mode is constant political and bum fights with the charter renewal comes up the constant between Labour and conservative which ultimately argue that the BBC director-general has been chosen on the basis of how close they are to the government's Davie Conservative Party election candidate right, but they really do need to actually think about not just the role of TG needs to be that make the BBC left siloed because the problem is when you have people running around over there doing commissioning people over there trying to build at BBC Studios digital doing it's own thing you have people who become very good at specialisms.

Can you don't have anyone coming through that can actually do that broad approach of what a director general idea? We would need to do so the senior management.

They really need to restructure that well.

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Is it sort of?

The world for you.

I would you do you think it's gonna say some cash.

I mean it is a massive to one of my TV really excited about it because you know is 5 and half weeks and it's a big commercial opportunity not just the TV but the whole of Media if it's kind of two-letter teams playing somewhere in Canada in some Lonely group game and didn't tell me the commentators off.

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Good work Omar I have a subsequent adverse reactions where you can read my digestive.

What truly matters in this industry and increasingly what I'm doing as a freelance journalist as well as you mentioned I say right for the video where I used to editor-in-chief and they still have me there and what are you up to the next 12-months will keep an eye out for anything you've got planned.

Well, I can drop me.

I should be sorting through my cuttings from you take away.

Yeah.

Yeah, I know sometimes.

I think you know that I actually think I was a better writer as when I when I was in my 20s than than this is this is the awful truth, so I'm thinking really write that universal hell, but I mean just better.

I think I think it was because I mean.

Bicycle now and ride around Birmingham making comments about you know that the irony.

There is of course it snowed in Birmingham really like cyclists and they are very oriented was a car so sort of 24 year-old me you know 5-ft 1 calibre going around and you know those things like that is some serious stuff as well.

I mean I have said we don't we didn't we do well in the Birmingham Post and mail was really very good.

You know that stays how you can see how much I will be doing some more stuff.

I've got a few things.

I've got to write but I've also got a lot to sort out the specially as since I'm certainly not in mansion territory probably going to have to work.

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