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Hello welcome to the media offer for your house to make vegan in the club today form of BBC One ITV controller and expectations of Peter Fincham podcast Insider secrets of the TV industry find out what makes of this week's headlines also on the programme is President Trump tariffs on high-end TV meteorite of Tara Conlan for the sector into the courtroom for the biggest verdicts of the week.

That's all come out in this edition of the media club Peter thank you for joining.

It's nice to have you on the sofa for the first time.

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I thought this week of all weeks David Attenborough I'm not going to come around think he's 99 this week as right film out the oceans and and you mention that I was once controlled BBC One when I joined the BBC in 2005 if you had a meeting with the Natural History unit and you have an agenda things to discuss one of the first things until the gender you can guess this with David Attenborough kind of succession issue next 2020 years later.

He's still doing them and he still absolutely brilliant and I mean he's obviously is National Treasure of the scale.

I suppose and is a different issue and end and one when people are very strong views in an AI world here do them.

Forever.

Yes, I will listen talk about him doing Blue Planet II which I was told to come out.

Definitely not happen that succession planning always an issue.

I don't know what what do you think you if you were David Attenborough and they said to you.

We would like to understand your voice and and basically nobody else as long as you do on a natural history things.

Did you make and we go on when you're no longer with us? Is that I don't I'd seriously don't know whether that's something that we should applaud or exact opposite Jones signed a deal before before he died for his family basically so we travelling I remember once being at Wimbledon and I had an idea which I rang the head of Sport from my seat from the Santa Clause did you accommodate and mask yes you had the most wonderful voice and it occurred to me that if you this obviously long before the way I did have you got hold of everything he would have

Something like that crosscourt lob has brought set point for the little for the Norwegian whatever you could easily have covered anything back from dinner tennis with something that Dan Maskell is Paul of your previous pitch documents into the AI and come up with her and aap I was talking to somebody only recently who's making a program for the BBC identogo cos I was told that encompass.

I don't even know this is something I should say it's a formatted program and what they done is fed.

Every episode of this formative programmed into an AI program then having made a new episode fed the rushes directly to the I program and it'd edited the program didn't quite because they don't have to do a bit of fine.

Cut you know if you would imagine but it's saved.

Guess weeks of editing time and cost ended from what this person was telling me a very creditable job of editing it now is if that's the future is in the future.

We all embrace with Enthusiasm or is it is it the opposite and Toulon another example this because I make a program dubbed for the German words because the German audience that they're not used to Reading subtitles in some countries world Scandinavian so I make a driver for the German couldn't stay Dublin does an entire dubbing industry in Germany that the actors his whole career has been to be the dubbed.

Let's say Tom Cruise Mission Impossible movies I can wipe out in a heartbeat and in fact if you're watching the next mission impossible you will in the theoretical works.

I don't know they're going to do this you.

Play Tom Cruise speaking perfect German and you can rematch the lips as well from the point of view of the viewer that that's an upgrade.

It's better than hearing.

You know some German Blackpool Wolfgang being told Tom Cruise that is it is it he knows this at like an episode of Black Mirror has the world gone well up mad who knows upgraded pizza AI of the temple will see that this week because about David Attenborough when I've interviewed him.

He's so up on turkeys.

He's probably already done it because he loves you tag doesn't it? But my person is Michael Levine who is CEO or BBC Maestro is the online learning platforms at the BBC hasn't masterclasses, so if you want to be you no talk by JoJo Moyes or you know if you want to learn songwriting.

Gary Barlow videos are produced.

So this is the first time last week.

It was announced as the first time they have recreated a dead author they Michael Levine is the brainchild of a face to come to come up with this idea of bringing to life Agatha Christie the big announcement last week and Claridge's very lovely, but a very serious point behind it which was she is going to be teaching people how to write the whenever they spoke whenever BBC Maestro spoke to anyone any of their buyers of the masterclass.

He said he would you ever loved me back if a Christy so they use and the good news story about a I actually what was the date of this week except when the creative copywriter all of them.

She's going on this is ethical AI so they actually got an actress bibi.

Maestra did Vivian keen I think her name was and she learnt mannerism the back of the Christie

They had a team of experts.

They put together all the research and writing voice recording she done not jumping up and fed all that into AI Vivian learn to the manager and then they basically put that on to her face you had your hair and make-up has a difficult to you when I get there and it does look good actually use the very interesting word that alright because you've said this is ethically right now.

It's Saturday I'm pretty sure it's all about it.

I'm not saying but I guess that the wider point then I genuinely don't know the answer as I develop some sweets into our lives.

Will we be able to draw a straight and down the middle between ethical and unethical a I won't be many examples of things of from one point of you might say it's an ethical from another mat sets and Evelyn aren't we already encountering those as

I think it has done though.

I guess why they are calling as a i in is that it's created around 100 jobs, so they're saying it's bringing jobs to the industry taking away.

Obviously you're right.

There's a lot of money and then I mean BBC Maestro got through the funding rounds from the Downing Ventures I think I've got a couple of minion million from somebody in a venture capital so it's a growing business, but you're you're right.

It doesn't itself like something and obviously the nightmare for agents as well, because what do they write in going forward with regard to their so 15% in perpetuity? I'm sure there be over the moon ok now the US and UK at the time of recording accepting how to trade deal which we believe will cover film and high-end to stop the recent threats giving the sex of a real wobble and exposing some of the pinch point in drama and entertainment production at the moment Tara we know the headlines.

We got to see a pandemic.

Taxi strike inflation it's been hard for filmmakers to be waiting for Nina trade deal and it's of came out of the blue.

Obviously Hollywood Ambassadors watched the same thing he watched escape from Alcatraz on PBS over the weekend and from that he got let's bring back Alcatraz prison and to let's tariff the film industry you in your kids should be sending some pretty sure it's really just got me from the TV point of view I think in the last census they had I think it was a third of all British TV exports.

We're going to the US and it was up about 13% to five hundred.

Million or something love the last time.

You know it's a big deal.

Obviously with a lot of these announcements that are made with with trump that the big headlines splashing ok, what's in the detail and so is it world is that mean James Bond you know you know from Texas with love? I don't know how did it actually work in reality.

What's the practical application of this and obviously it's evolving as we speak so No One Quite knows but in terms of an industry.

That's already in a period of uncertainty it doesn't open and I will be delays in in funding things.

We've been put on pause.

What it wants to see what the Fallout is and what the reality is a little tax on options for TV and film producer 1.4 Billy I think comes from the government how much of the success of our TV and film industry comes from nose breaks vs.

The amazing quality.

Teamseer movies and TV in Britain that cos that's such a fantastic beasts killed can have in a cross-sector put my phone slightly surprise you but I'm in the Alcatraz by the very good point you know how seriously if you take these things because it could be devastating most people have invested in new studio place in recent years in the UK are Americans so he's punishing Americans studio space might be empty and then again he coming in the announcement this one of the French foreign and Colonial era phrase movies made in foreign lands, but with in America you have these huge variations people go to Atlanta flights to Toronto in Canada which isn't yet part of America today? I'm sure because they get tax breaks and the problem here is California problems very very expensive to filming.

And that's Hollywood a very old fashioned kind of Hollywood California centric view of the world that we've got to bring back filmmaking Hollywood bringing back manufacturer's fault or whatever I'd say.

Yes, of course.

It's it's going to meet on Saturday because the uncertainties in is is why people evaluate 100% of 190 even knows I feel so back of a packet and I dare say over the coming months.

It will become not real and what what form of reality it is will become clearer to people response from some of the politicians in California is about half a billion the tax breaks in La that she did the course you is how to cross services team be able to afford to live in La how do you build a whole infrastructure that can support this shows me is probably driven by Trump's desire.

Old Hollywood and what's his mind about where when movies come from Hackney plan against any other things we live in a peel market year in the UK broadcasters in the UK have kind of quotas and production production in the nations in Scotland Wales Northern Ireland which are all an Intervention in the market for a reason for Political reasons social reason cannot reason or whatever so so it's not a question of trump you know in one corner and the rest of the world and another in a 70s doing what other people do just a very you know he's kind of shoot shoot first questions later, where is most people when considering announcements of their source sweat the small stuff they put the announcement doubt there'll be a load of people trying to work out how he said.

Indeed survey last month more hopeful as they entered this year.

Have you seen that hopefully maybe last week, but no I think generally I mean there's been a period when there has been a real shock to the market with your commissions mean talking to me.

It's about you know where the opportunities coming from the terms of funding Peter knows more than more than I do about that, but I think people are studying greenshoots talking to people in there a lot of it out there who have gone through tough times and had to take costs out somebody's have closed equally you know you will stay here.

There's a bit more movements in M&A now.

Then obviously nothing is the Talent and if the big super indecently cold out there looking to snap up other Talent to try and grow you know they've got to give some more returns to.

Somehow have a nice so they'll be looking for the next generation of Talent green shoots of production.

I mean I think if you're not helpful mentality controller mind don't be coming because you know it is it's a photo of faith in your ability to come up with ideas and projects and scripts and nobody you know when an independent production company when launch to be like nothing is guaranteed to be out nevermind nevermind anything absolutely right here is some kind of quiet the following are some of the larger in the groups of close down to labels.

Is it we live in a bit of a two-tier world now, where does these big indie groups so all3media Fremantle ITV Studios banijay who might be a bad way.

They have under them within the under the umbrella a lot of Indians that were once in these are not ready and is now the label within this large company and then.

What you are you called True in these if you like isn't as great as it 1 yards and it's hard and it's hard for them, but I personally think I've you know break when I went off to the broadcasting site.

I've been in Hindi for 35 years or something you sort of need to power through these periods whenever when people say it's all going downhill when I see what I mean if you need to shut that noise out just focus on what you're doing on the projects that you think you're going to get commission that program that you're going to make and and you know if you will be alright to develop now as well as tiktok YouTube people monthly interact with YouTube in the UK so there are in a way.

That's been more video opportunity and better than ever has been but it's a question of being nimble catering for that.

As well, it's difficult but it's such a resilient resourceful punching people in the Indy sector there who are problem solvers all the time or maybe this whole problem with trump could have been so much earlier if having listened to podcast last week.

Are you had stepped in allowed Piers Morgan to have Donald Trump on an episode of his TV series maybe you could have been the bridge terrible terrible of mine.

Isn't it Piers Morgan this Christmas card and the first thing about is Christmas card with a picture of him and Donald Trump and chairs.

Morgan's life stories.

Play Garden of Eden by the present Berwick-upon-Tweed was The Apprentice televisions got a lot tell him it's been a lot to answer for here.

That's what race is profile and made made people think if you can sit behind a desk and say you're a fired then he's got all the skill set you need to be the president of America now.

There's hope for us all this may be looking at it us company lemonada Media the latest to be snapped up by European firm pod XL pizza.

They make shows with starting cluding Julia louis-dreyfus David Duchovny Sarah Silverman already Bible great great projects.

They said it was a 30 million deal is that is so good, so good thing tomorrow.

They worth money.

I've got enough about them.

All these deals are really they spend that much but it's a logical thing to somebody but that was whole world of ma.

Creative sector soup podcast in a bit of production you could argue.

It's real.

What happens from time to time I saw it only year or two ago.

I saw one of the I think it's one of the big independent super Andy delivery wanna call them and nan said they were going to double in size in two years or something like that probably got exact figures wrong and I thought crazy announcement to make because as a producer you can't guarantee to double your size into earth.

It just doesn't work that way, so what will happen then with the person tasked with that size.of.double.bed turnover in to you? Is it doing that? There's only two ways one is organic growth is when you come up with great ideas like the Pentagon centre broadcaster.

The other is so after while you start thinking I can't come up with that many brand new great ideas.

Why don't I buy this company? Where can I buy that company and I would guess but I've never seen an

Have you looked in the whole history of MMA in the Independent sector it may well sell safe over the bars over the sellers.

Will you talk back and that was that was acquired was fun interesting processed as he was he was you take from it.

So strange.

It's actually when you when you sell a company because you can experts in thing an expert in things that you may never think about again in the rest of your life because you have to you have to an on the day that the sale takes place which I can remember well you sign an extraordinary number of documents your letter round the table like her buffet if you hurt by a junior lawyer from one of the law firms Saint seiya sad about 25 documents and he's a big thick documents and then they say it's done so the company those documents.

Filing cabinet and everybody hopes they are never ever looked at again because they're only looked at again of something awful build up to the day of the sale.

I am in kitchen alloys literally stay up all night work documents may be a I will do as there's a lot of documents right and they're documents did not only probable but it's desirable but nobody every to get absolutely strange transactions for The Range in DTV transaction.

We sort of running out a company's a little bit on the TV side and the the super Indies now requiring other super Indies cos if they want they want to grow is podcasting the next the next generation for these Media clothes receipt with lemonada goldhanger in UK companies, are they going to be in the sites of I mean? I mean it's cheaper cheaper for me.

A video you know I think you know quite a few exact time for etc.

I have pretty much admitted that you know it's a cheaper way of getting a TV show you know you look at some photos on clothes started off.

You know that sounds like podcast kind of space.

So it is a cheap way of doing telly isn't it but also not being stato queen, but so you got any content on YouTube you say Clarkson's Farm but then around that you've got something like 2/3 of the number of views is a content show around the content so getting a podcast around your main piece of content is quite obviously quite a good mother revenue stream for a for an indie to have anyone that right, but you can see why it works for a broadcaster, cos it's cheaper telly it works for an indie cos it's another form of Revenue and you never know what might come over.

It's it's a nursery sleep.

I guess you're so fat.

Bring them on in the same way that spin-off shows like Big Brother that wasn't Big Brother's Little you know that's another thing as well about podcast at the moment.

They want spin-off still wanna do more with the brands CITV with like the Loose Women podcast recently.

They got her Coronation Street Emmerdale spin-off.

I was the broadcaster you know about 9 years ago when I mean where you might want to have commissioned Big Brother Little Brother I don't know how much it cost but it would have been a significant cost of Big Brother if instead of that you can feed the appetite fans with the podcast and with many podcast now you feel volume eight and cigarettes when YouTubers with list of honour podcast app.

I can't see that trend stopping any home too soon, because it's the truth is with the show the traces into perfect example.

Shows at the have that sort of fanatical fanbase and and and you know people obsessed with they do want content between the week.

I can remember this very well my time in ITV with The X Factor with the extract was it it's sort of peak and end caps in the ways of how can we Feed the Beast the Beast being the at the audience just want to know more about it and between the Big Show's on the Saturday that was you know there was one of those shows like your fire to the test, but this is a pre podcast Age on The X Factor was around today.

Will there be a podcast all quite a few podcast stream Like Jeremy piglets.

Go the first couple of series of not the first thing is because one of a kind of them.

I think the second series of I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out of Here they effectively streamed it live from Jungle on channel ITV4 channel and if you became obsessed with it.

You could watch it all day live.

What's the rushes the rushes Ivan though and I've been there to watch it a lot of the time not very much happens at all.

So I think yeah, I didn't like Jared and I mean that's a question for Amazon and the Jeremy himself, but these things have been around in 14 mother 4 long time.

I just wanna break it was the creative cities convention this week the annual out of London event for film and TV changes cities each year and this time are descended on Bradford at the City of Culture we sent.

Xanthe Palmer to speak delegates and pick out some of the top takeaways came up yesterday was in the end scripted discussion about what's hot what's not with a suggestion when you're pitching an idea.

You should it to pass the WhatsApp test which means that when you've picked it the person you're pitching it to you should be able to go away and tell her friends about on WhatsApp so if you are pitching an idea and you think that that is something you would do then maybe that's something other people would do if you yourself play the idea back to yourself and you wouldn't get on WhatsApp and tell you about it.

Then probably nobody was interesting thing I've learnt from the convention is commissioning and what commissioners want to see if there's any interest I think in things really grab audiences are emotional.

I think I've heard the word authenticity quite a lot in the past couple of days.

So that's really great things that really resonated with audiences especially in the

Uncertainty cost of living so it's not really like resonating with the audiences of the diversity of representation that is in the UK and in the item replaced and in culture.

I've also extend my loft working in Bradford to be here in Bradford is fantastic is absolutely brilliant.

I love the conference is here.

I love the discussion about YouTube yesterday morning it came out of that really really inspired.

I love the fact that commissioners and top management and all of that is brilliant, but as a freelancer I can't believe you're feeling a bit lonely if the retard it's really hard freelancer especially one out in the nations and regions.

You don't often know all the people.

It's really hard to get to them and one of the messages.

That's come through very strong.

Is I'm not sure that new Talent can get through and not quite frustrating and quite lonely for those of us who are established baby in our region or other experience but we're just not Known and I think the fact that mentions is here in Bradford is finally Bradford my see where I was born weygroup Warren School welcome back to work.

It feels like people starting to find me Believe here in the city like for the longest time we believed all the nonsense that say about us outside of city and the last 10 years we started to come into our cells that were brilliant place and what's happening now is it people are starting to listen to the fact that we are convinced so I'm starting to feel optimistic for the first time that one was also one of the speakers.

She's a commissioner for BBC daytime and early peak based in the Northeast she's just speaking to us about the UK strategy to create.

Work in the region and like many people who wants to work in telly back in the day when looking to get into it and work for the BBC I had to move from Newcastle my home down to London just emotional and financial back in my parents.

Have it all went wrong so I was looking at sense and not everybody is different now everybody can afford to move down to London to Newcastle with the aim of increasing the business there with the BBC that we make sure your shows out the northeast making sure that and we can develop Talent behind camera.

79 camera and then also retain Talent there so build up enough business.

I love shows being made there so that there is a viable option for young people and establish people in the business in the Northeast so far.

We have a returning series in Robson Green's weekend estate and filming the fourth series of this weekend which is great and what that has allowed people who started as researchers to then move into different jobs within that serious because it was returning and it's just allowed to have a career and a knowing that series was coming back for another year and being able to plan we had another series that commission that have been in.

Grail in order to make things work in the Northeast and and the regions is to have a returning format so that you can plan and have can return to jobs and and work their way up the career ladder, so that is that is what I'm doing and that is what that is what programs like weekend escapes.

I've done in and how do you maintain that strategies? You know about wonderful commissions return and hopefully it's a nose jobs.

How do I keep going really waste collection companies in the Northeast strategy years across the BBC and the sorts of things that I'm looking for and the fact that I am based in the Northeast means that I can sit with them for 2-hours and discuss ideas or give them a brainstorm and I can spend time and also because I live there and I'm passionate about making things happy I can be a real.

These companies as well as from across the country of a past 2 days.

What do you think maybe other you know companies could maybe learn from from your Saturday over the way you think you know national we should be working better to be more reason for making a public service broadcaster.

You know it's you know we have to we have to be representing everybody across the country.

Who is playing their licence fee on screen.

You know business in the BBC so therefore.

It's just two programs that are made by people in the reflected on telly and those programs already going to be made well by people who are from that region and broadcasters all doing that everybody has.

Sort of remix about having been outside of London and having a presents outside of London but I mean within my area in my department BBC daytime 85% to 5% of our programming comes from outside of London from across the UK so I think you know we are absolute play committed to making sure that is a strategy that come to life or thanks them free Palmer for that package.

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It's all free and you're getting updates from us every week still with me Peter the open a file you aware of this the trouble the apple head with their their star disappearing.

Yeah, I read about it.

Yeah.

I can't I'm going inside track on.

Have you ever been in a similar type of situations require extreme extreme One Quite Like Ordinary People by the BBC and I totally and utterly get it that you get you know periodical scandal.

BBC and the BBC's inability to control Talent and and they always blow up and BBC space in there always him Barrow singing and it looks as if they but the idea of control ring Talent is a moron to be honest.

You're you're dealing with when you're not this is not talking.

I know nothing about it, but when you're dealing with major stars you know the reality is that don't behave like people can have been on management courses and the BBC's about many things will it in the entertainment as well as being in journalism of the news now.

You can't be in the Entertainment Business without working with big stars and big stars.

You know will not behave like the people so so you know I'll sit here and say there's no BBC never looked Jeremy Clarkson

You've mentioned Clarkson's Farm Clarkson's Farm is is a very recent you know inform educate and entertain in equal quantity, but is not on the BBC at are a big short must be breathing a slight side relief with most to get something out of a half the series don't know the exact to get something out.

That's broadcastable.

So they get some money back.

Obviously you will get to see some kind of resolution and me there.

It was a sense of an Ending to use that phrase, but yeah, it's really hard.

I mean that's why the town and get the big box because so much is centred around them and her personality and their characteristics that when they do go missing in Action

Happened just a normal people in normal lives and things happen to them.

It's it's hard maybe maybe a I will come and play and future you know the way I stop on the bench she comes in if something happens, but it had all walks of life with your brain surgeon or TV presenter.

Doesn't it if something happens in your arm.

Well then someone else in the project doesn't happen.

It's great to have you here on the sofa on the media club you started your own podcast maybe you enable competitor.

Maybe we should push down the stairs as you as you received today.

We have you enjoyed rubbing it in front of Mike well.

I'm doing this with a friend of mine production and we've known as a very very very long time universe friends of friends or whatever friends absolutely consistently since since the 1970s.

Think of the Cambridge Footlights together, but rivals as well because he ran through the 90s when I was running TalkBack and now you know expectation and electric as there's a drive as you can be very friendly rivals in the independent television sector there's much that binds all these companies together common.

You know even throw as mixing drivers to each other so it's very easy thing for me to sit and do to talk to Jimmy and either.

We have we have a sort of bit of a format where where are you say gives a subject to talk about the number.

We have not been on the lip and and we talked about them and then and then the police said it's down and turns into a coherent program and you know it's early days.

We've done we done 500 think and I can only say we really enjoyed doing it and we'll find out in due course with enough people enjoy listening to.

We're not trying to compete with you when I try and compete with the rest of entertainment we really we really don't think like that.

We're doing it because it's enjoyable for us to do we hope you got some insights for people you know who might think well.

I didn't know that and these guys have been there done that shows interest in the oven them and see you at the next four.

Let's say the Hammersmith palais self agreeing or disagreeing more than your thoughts with Jimmy Jimmy please can I have more probably bit more outspoken to me? I'm not eating no I'm nothing climb to become a diplomatic type of people pleasing cousin person but Jimmy from Liverpool

Always ready for scrap actually talked about Top Gear should you bring back Top Gear and his view was no you shouldn't because I'll never be the same as it was with Jeremy Clarkson and the other two Richard Hammond and James May and my viewers when you've left on off time since the the awful thing that happened to Freddie Flintoff why not bring it back.

It doesn't matter that is good as that still doesn't know the still a gap in the market place for a big show about cars and the Reason by Jeremy himself and said I think they should bring back Top Gear so they can an electric car if you like me, you don't understand them, so yeah, we'll have things that we disagree about but we're not there to to conduct a sudden you are not supposed to be like an interview on the Today programme.

We're not we're not ripping it apart.

Do you expectation colleagues listening and then raise their eyebrows are all their eyes looks like we talked about this week that we've got to try and pitch do next week.

America have noticed I've been catching we're looking in the last few weeks.

So maybe they secretly saying why is he doing but I doubt it.

You know that we we we go production between expectation and hat-trick.

So I think we take turns we have a layer of one week.

It's after 1-week.

It's down and and it seems fine.

It's fun to do and I will try to work out.

You know whether it's going to a wide enough appear to be worth going on doing becoming the talent.

Does it give you a website into the talent you workers to use this word very very the story of how is in my back garden with a very good friend.

Around I don't have to change the language.

He said, how can I turn this idiot like you has got a big house in Notting Hill than me you didn't use the word it but this is family listening.

We are very good joke and then I thought sometimes a joke that got some little with the meaning behind it and and I think it is the meaning behind it.

So so and why I believe that Harry Enfield he's telling he's a absolutely brilliant comedian.

You know he's fantastic on that scale in around a podcast should have been a television executive and a fiver afterwards, but yeah, so maybe I've got her number of half Talents and abilities but when we talk about Talent in the television terms I think.

About something like that special special special, so I don't want to claim to be well.

We had to the brake change PSPs at the top of psbs.

So more is off.

I like mine is off pretty good runs in relatively jobs the right side around the corner from good times.

We have quite a long time somebody didn't this and said that the revolving door televisions revolving slower than so they need something done about 7 jobs.

That's a long haul and and I wish you good fortune in the new jobs and good luck in your new job.

I think if you survive on a job like that for that, it's achievement.

I think it would be talking about Alex she has a scene of privatisation at least once possibly twice and the regional strategy United she's fine.

She can point to things to say Channel 4 in someone's just slightly fragile organisation, but it's still going in a you need to remember only about two chief executives ago, there was there was the guy who the only thing he ever said was we're about to run out of money.

Can we have some money and he was wrong.

I'm not saying haven't got an enormous challenges.

They absolutely have but but that was still distinctive.

It's still fulfilling its remit making some brilliant programme so I think Alex is applauded off the stage to be really honest and I think Charlotte Morris I mean you know God knows I should know I was at BBC4 about two-and-a-half years before something horrible when to leave.

If you if you've lost that long and really high pressure job your you're I think you don't well if you ask me who's going to replace them having a kid got no Tara be much more likely help you there.

What is the inside of a new creative and business leaders at Channel 4 be careful what you wish for relationships with the heads of the car that goes and then get put on an hiatus end you follow that person who's off to another channel.

Do you follow their with your project set everything up in the air really doesn't fit it is an interesting time for Channel 4 universe the room was that still don't know where about will it end up you know going into.

The wrong word into bed with the BBC follows it that whole future of Public Service Broadcasting performance is a key issue still so it's who knows it might be someone taking their fields and someone who's who's come from the world of content creation short form.

Maybe something like that.

You never know it depends just a time for the audio Network Media quiz and let's see how much I guess I've been paying attention to the media news this week and this week is called courtroom dramas 360 been delivered this week, but can you guess the media story from this very barrister closing argument? It says he will probably do depression text and remarkably Alex at all network has taken that very slight brief from producer Matt and she's come up with an entire suite of music to score the game ok quiz best of three buzzing with your name if you know the answers.

Are you will say Tara and Peter you will say let's play courtroom dramas.

I put it to you that both parties have been stuck in a rut being a few percentage points apart on the final settlement son and submitting assessment cost that were a little say this in the style with which it was the sales process.

I should say it's Rebekah Vardy and Coleen Rooney the end to the well.

Hopefully the end to the work.

I think the costumes called The Long and I'm happy Road the word for Christina Milian legal costs unlucky for her.

I put it to you that was all apps in your usual hi editorial standards and you should have reflected the statement from the home office.

Sorry, so, I think this is the BBC apologising over the Prince Harry BBC News over the Prince Harry interview.

Whereby they had not giving interview Today programme Prince Harry's new shoes does it need to be made some allegations about to reply?

Home office BBC the Royal as well watching it now.

You've now you're just playing for like yes, they're to you financially you mostly swooped in and pinched it for yourself leading to Critical praise what channels and put down at a Tara

ITV I'm a little bit more than previously broadcasters keep what that what they get to you as a company we could go across the road, but there be really annoyed you got a format in America get some hot agent and they say we're going in a Grand Prix this to this and if they are not the first to grab it.

That's what they look at you very rarely.

You can try work in like that in the UK you may be able to do it with the reason why that so hot that you know you can pick it around but most of the time you have to develop things quite slowly withdrawn and you know the high risk of the knowing them by then again behind it back to another broadcasted unusual can happen with high value things like TaskMaster all the Bake Off

Partly reflect so guess in both cases, the company's the people running them who were perfectly happy to you know play that highest ingame, but these exceptions approval rule 33 surprised you get to claim 1.4 million pounds will cost from us for everything you do come in on the show the photos by Alex for supplying today's music audio network can do this for you to just had to audionetwork.com or click the link in the lights.

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