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My IP is always to be on and off the TV show is the industry Mourns the passing of Alan Robinson takes us back to the 90s had a day off is sold again.

By the end of it also in the audio Network Media quiz channel Jimmy Carr that's all coming up in the media club Derek walking to the show for the first time.

I'm busy laminating your membership card outside give you the give it to you later to from nest but have you picked to join the club this week? I want to add an amazing produce a cold Luti fagbenle.

Who is basically just I'm lost documentary out this week.

Can't wait now.

I'm walking to the BBC he's an incredible guy actually comes from the music video walls and then has sort of transition done to actually dinner reality show with the moment and now he's doing docs as well.

So he's just flying through the high and it said BBC storyville.

That's great.

What makes what makes someone something to catch fire.

Someone projector too many I mean he has has personalities like incredible, so he's very driven and really strong and really likeable having is going to go what a great addition to the club ideas as well.

See you and you are you adding to our list this week.

So this is someone I know pretty well.

Tell me parrot Disney she was MD of global entertainment for ITV there was a paramount as president of international Maria kyriacou who is just resurface as chairman of the supervisory board at receiving set switches the commercial broadcaster in Germany in a lawsuit ever join zdf over the meaning of the public service content on as the head of sales at Disney she was responsible for selling all the third party content of August as always someone.

Go places I dare I say you know a strong tough woman but she got deals done.

So good see she's back at proven satellites Maria kyriacou important parts of the TV industry sometimes.

We talk about creativity creative freedom about about the work that goes into it goes on the Ballot see all of the definition of commercial and regulatory is always a challenge.

It is a deal maker.

That's what she does you know she is primary of the person that then she became a deal maker and she basically put things together and made things happen.

I was very surprised when she was LEGO paramount, but you know why would businesses ruthless and toffee doesn't mean you anyway the Christmas she was just obviously didn't think that particular time maybe European outpost in German

To do that actually surprised.

I haven't really been presenting episodes of his art series imagine on BBC one of the most recent interview with Armando Iannucci someone I can sort of fostered in the 80s and 90s at the BBC yeah, I mean to be honest.

I have never actually what I've been in the BBC when I was staff the BBC I didn't come across him.

I know there's been a lot of people that have watched the minute and said that it was a great experience of working with Alan Yentob in the 90s.

Yes John birt.

Had this plan to put together a new 10-year strategy for the BBC with seems crazy now 10 years but 10 years it was in charge of the radius.

Call Network radio ironically not including local radio, but that's all different issues and he was in charge of television and you know you sit there for half a day disgusting things and be part of that he was brilliant to represent TV he was great he pitch things he made the argument he made the emotional argument.

You know didn't believe in some of the stuff.

I really wasn't right.

I mean I give me one example in one meeting we're talking about budgets and radio always had a very small but the BBC licence fee income was about 45 in the radio, but it was a tiny part of that about 300 million total annual annual budget for the five networks 1 2 3 4 5 live episode of EastEnders I'm going to find it by cutting Radio 1 episode of the next episode of EastEnders basically men cutting radio 1/2 and 6 hours a day or something you know.

Cut the Proms completely that would save the money and he made this case really really well, and I'm thinking should I got a really defend this now and he said what I did it really well, and he was created that but I mean in this meeting so strange that it was you have a discussion and it going well and then animal term just going out to the bathroom for moment and they disappear you know how to watch something and you carry on talking and then you get to a TV point, where is Alan and now it's gone by and there's no Alan so I'll just check his office check.

He's ok.

He's not in his office and mobile phone to go soon those days is early 90s anyone check his diary.

There's nothing in the diary is completely empty in every appeared and the meeting went until 5 and disappear and that was bored enough to the bathroom and that was gone.

Name dropping the right dinner party guest you can tell amazing stories about big names.

You know from David Bowie to whoever he would be able to do it and tell it brilliantly but he was he was chaotic.

You wouldn't read notes of meetings uni degree son action point to come back the next meeting and he hasn't got it again goes noteworthy because of that paper and no tablets.

Are we forgotten no time you had to go through it all again.

He was on the Isles thanks for that level there either really super organised or that is absolutely chaotic.

I think you could look at that would make you unsuitable for 4hire fine but clearly did.

Long time to BBC One what was it that works in his face is just super intelligent and bright understood how they work.

I think he made great credit decisions and had a good thing around him to do all the nuts and bolts.

You know he was really the guy you decided.

What was on the network and reduces both in-house and external great relationship the wind and died in the mall.

You know if there's a big idea get it for the BBC rather than going somewhere else.

Yeah, it was great with the talent to be like the the brandy with the creative head but any detailed operational I mean no chance you know that was all left to the team and the office she was smart enough for someone with smart enough to a good people and you could you maybe that's fine for the BBC where you know it's probably find it if you want the BBC to be doing interesting different challenge things encouraging the sector and he did all of that so.

Anyways a disaster to work x nightmare you know for the BBC no certainly know he was a very very successful executive when you when you're a boss, but also a creative as well front of fronted shows.

There's a lot of responsibility on creative to be a lot of them to start equipped for that and thank you.

Get you get some here absolutely incredible that we get hold of that.

Just are at the top and spelling miserably and Creighton khaosan.

Havoc film production companies that work with skill and I think I think you don't laugh, but as a freelancer and I really love to the batteries that they had a lot of people didn't like the way you want but I think you can get your head into it really is.

Helpful sometimes you have to perform a bit as an executive Paul I think so you have to communicate down to you have to persuade people ideally your persuading taking people with you rather than telling them.

I think think about the BBC again the DJs have been really successful director-general's been really successful of those have been very good communicators.

Are you know? There's some only mentioned a few days Michael checkland, but he was really basically an accountant to sat in his office and we never really saw him and complete the opposite may be too much so monotonous actual stuff going on underneath think about John John who I actually really liked but others did not but he was a real to the managerial guy he was going to drive change and push it through and you didn't mind about not winning hearts and Minds he was going to do the right thing and I think whatever the criticism of him.

He was genuinely.

Trying to do what you believe is right although not winning hearts and Minds in the BBC can be absolutely Fable a different kind of person for each time it doesn't it's I think sometimes they should be lucky or unlucky with Who The Bosses I getting bit of Greg Dyke years.

He was a little mini saviour at that point and really rejuvenated the staff and the team lucky way, because he came in and he started giving stuff lots of stuff.

You know a lot of stuff and and basically got Love by the production team you know it's very easy to spend money and you know what she did and he was able to because the BBC has resorted to do that another DJ's had to actually cut you know save money.

I mean Tim Davie be a good example.

So I think is actually a fantastic DJ I lost him speak at the Steve Wright eventer, Constable couple of weeks ago and he gave the opening address and he was great.

I mean it was a good combination of leadership management and real genuine.

I don't know how much you knew Steve but he's actually made an effort to come up with some stories, but I knew you were true.

So you know he delivered it well as I think it's a great example.

He's the right at the top of the moment.

I think different different different periods different different standards different requirements.

Yeah, what do you want from an executive to stay away? Just commissioner never see them again.

I like I like the exact that we work with who he can think at the box.

Also leave the team and especially the stuff.

We do a little reality TV in a lot and reality people move up the ranks very quickly and don't forget to talk sometimes it goes to the Head a little bit and they're not really interested in managing people.

It's more about what's on screen beer and actually Big Brother

Are they really going to be involved in the budget? Are they really going to look after people and and have our sort of vision but looking after people really responses upon the whole thing about to mean that so you have an interview with you know some notable person and didn't show so the producer of research had to do the interview because they worked in the studio is Brooks and you know it was cobbled together and then and set the time the BBC had all sorts of issues with people being accused of misrepresenting on screen of the whole thing and on about phones and stuff you remember and so the DJ you know said.

You know any producer anybody who is cheating.

You're not representing accurately on there will be fired except time you clearly did Grand scale and survived the weekend so we learnt the telegraph have been sold again this time with a steak to redbird Capital name might sound familiar to regulars.

Given originally Telegraph was bought by red bird IMI it's been forever Telegraph deal, so it's all to the five funded by Middle East investors government so they can own it and now the study of the US partners redbird.

I have basically serve taking it off red bird my hands.

Is it is this just to let to drop drop in their partners in a Messenger from a nice day out clearly.

There is legislation prohibiting certain ownership by us companies and obviously red bird is a US investment firm so that find a way round it.

I think what is there must have been very persistent here and red vertical are highly active in the and the sector most recently they've been the key players behind the Paramount sky take care, but they found the sky dancing and that was an extraordinary.

You like reverse takeover.

I think was interesting is what is their strategy now? I mean they're talking about adding new verticals in a new ways of making money and they will be out to make money.

There's no doubt about that the telegraphs got a very affluent readership.

It's got a fairly decent digital base the question is really you know can they grow it and can I grow revenue the long-term thing is how long I've been it for because at some point.

They're gonna want an exit so I think the answer to your question.

Is is over for now but

A23 is hence.

I wouldn't be surprised if ownership changes again for the Telegraph would you do know what iPhone really interested about this whole thing I know it was I think it was about 3 months ago the sun have set up son Originals and what they've done as the discharge in Originals of the original news content and then they made a documentary about Madeleine McCann and is now sold that channel 4 was a dog.

I thought my god it actually got this think used to be at the TV.

Is now so running the ship and the video department.

I just found it just wondered I think that's the telegraph for obviously going to do and I've got a new female.

See you or I think you're ready as well who I think used to be the cc or some of Channel 4.

I'm and move them to see you're alright.

I wonder if there's going to be rule change so when it comes to do the same sort of thing original news tongue and IP people can start pitching to tell you this all the newest everyone sort of after I pee it could be that people actually go directly to the source a lot of acquisitions investments in telly forever, but I'm just looking at space to talk about that a bit later on and do you worry about kind of international investment companies worry about where the money comes from as well as needing some cash to to grow and expand the people really care about the money comes from.

I don't think we do.

I mean I think everyone in the end as we speak to the definitely wouldn't care with the money.

I can tell you that a lot of them.

Just one.

The money to come in and particularly ownership connected to state owners so for some the Middle East investors, is it correct to governments and royal families and and and that side zipper burdocks have been investing things forever.

I love UK media in the UK the lobby to put it quite a high percentage.

Just a bit of a mess really yeah, I'm not sure the government really know what they're doing to be honest.

I've been told like being in the street.

Keep changing the government of desperate to get investment and then they got a horrible you know issue to manage with the economy and spending is off succeeding Revenue and they're clearly lost all her bedroom because of various movements in global market.

So you know I suspect the government who is going to be we're going to relax the rate the regulations to allow this investment to come in and goodness me we know there's a huge amount of money in the Middle East

Loads and loads of money there.

I think she's going to be about the editorial control and I think there are cultural issues hitting now somebody's work for many American companies to Hollywood Studios you know coaches are Americans don't always understand the UK for example they think identical of course we're not and I do think maintaining UK culture is important that all I Believe in a BBC I think this is going to be about the management and editorial line is interesting that the new investor have actually pledge support to the editorial staff including Chris Evans the editor for the management of your point earlier about the CEO at all surprised they do change the management, but they don't change the editorial staff because that's what the sensitivity is the Telegraph needs to continue to please it's readers and be culturally relevant.

So I think that would be very important.

I think they realise that in a way.

It doesn't matter where the money come from.

The business side we're going to see some different strategies and possibly some changes worry worry about involvement in international media operations involving editorial or another that bothered about it.

Is it a worry that people and the government shouldn't have said it's over blown to be honest.

I mean I have some experience with investment from the UAE not from Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia off his morimoto.

Get more nervous about it and I've worked in the Middle East a fairy lights in what with Middle East companies.

I know being pretty well and Noah saying embrace other companies.

I've not seen any evidence of it.

I think they're good business people who want to return on their investment and I'm not in any thing to prove otherwise you are smart enough to realise that they have to actually be relevant and delivery service to customers customers want in this case the readers.

The Daily Telegraph if they don't get that their business is screwed, so you know that sense they see the interesting actually being a line with the editorial.

That's currently that is amazing some culturally people was want to share of entertainment companies not always the best investments is it shiny is showbiz, we are also several nurses we will often introduce the companies who what birth to investment brokers and a lot of it is about what interesting things they working on the Awards can you take us to and that really does help? I think massively next plus.

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Come back before you return to I guess his what we've been discussing in the club this week the race 16th Charlotte Moore continues with deadline reporting at the BBC's Unscripted buy Philips is the person to beat external favourite Patrick Holland who runs banijay UK has rude themselves out as a hunter apple at a mentor in Netflix channel for the BBC afford them anyway.

Well, they have saved some money now that Gary Lineker has hosted his last match of the day opening the show on Saturday saying it didn't have to end like this apparently was a reference to the football show Shell garage cutting could happen with the speculation Doctor Who may be arrested for a period after apparently underwhelming performance series with Disney apparently all my son to end its partnership.

Not something that they've confirmed.

Will it be back to the North Wales quarries for the next season?

I don't want to talk about on the show today.

You can get on our substack sign up at the media club.com that's the media club.com and Erica still with me so talk to about nest what your outfits different kind of operation international production company be some other side of the company was it was never basically meant to be home mission was let's support.

I'm emerging independent production companies by providing infrastructure really secure infrastructure where look after the make sure you do things properly the make money they have a nice culture and have a nice home with a really nice office in Old Street 1/2 Glasgow 11 in Manchester and we provide basic care home for 4 for Indies who might have got lucky.

I'm all I've never been going for a couple of years but also against the state.

Things can you give me quite a few number of people can't you to before you get a commission some people might think that it can be quite large, but yeah for you.

Get a commission like speaking people people people who have been produced.

So the messages that have got a better track record that then sell the wrong people then suddenly realise oh shit.

How do I see make this thing really? How do I worry about cash flow does that work? I'm then culture is a massive thing orbiting TV where if you do that stuff little bit badly wondering.

Have you got to get commission again to no one's ever going to what with cancer what we do is just rapper so surrounds Indies and see if we're going to babysit you and help you grow and I might be a point where you fly the nest and go off on your own.

But quite often people just say that's because we get on with them really well, and they become my mates and we just like doing business with them.

So what what prompted you to to do this was the result is a freelance production executive production line producer then was in a house at Lime Nexus food for a while and I realise that is getting quite a lot of friends friends for a meeting should have had a commission don't know what I'm doing help me and I was like ok, so we need to do and I thought about it.

There's a market here for a real solid and not a tortoise mean one person me we've got a big team of people wear with a finance director x Channel 4 finance guy we have a legal team.

We have a head of production and production exec so with as you get a he gets almost like a big production company for a bit nicer.

It's a lot better not going to take over creatively.

We're just going to make sure that you're on the right path.

You're making money you doing things well and you're going to get a good rap and that's all there for sometime.

We do we actually support companies that come over from Canada and the US and we support them locally with our team on the grounds and that's a different Model B the first thing we do is look at what are they actually needs sometimes will even go right you need an exec producer and bring someone and to both of them a little bit better of the Big Show's of customers or your partner is yeah, play what's the the main thing there after it when they come to the door? What would I get all god? Thank god? This is here it really does it does vary mean a lot of it weirdly comes from not go to budget probably not the best deal on point really what is the building blocks of this production and how is it needs and a lot of Crete

Exactly what we can go Willaston the idea, but they don't quite know how to do everything else and we'll be there right from the start going right.

Let's get let's do this deal with you with with the channel and we'll make sure you get the right money and I'm and that's the starting point but it really does vary between what people want some some people are really really I'm legal some people are really worried about cash flow gas flow is the thing that comes up and it's especially some channels you definitely don't pay you until the end or you know so it's really does very pretty tax credit system comes from the government but we don't have to see that other parts of the second do that something that one of my life as you think along scripted.

It should be on the agenda know my god that would be an absolute game changer.

Yeah, I mean we we we know for certain that the stuff is came to us in the US Masters game shows reality shows we can't quite make the money work because they were up against a tax break in Europe and happened to us quite a few times now, but we've had to just say we had a tax credit would be absolutely fine for competing against on the UK's covered off scripted.

We're gonna pick it up.

I've actually taking reality shows to Malta before because the tax but there is incredibles 40 40% and it's amazing and the starting to The Crew they are the levels of getting better and actually you can really found some decent stuff now.

Why are you going to come to the UK I just feels really just bizarre to me that were not going with a minute here.

We know that a tax credit really does help the economy has helped in So Many Ways in the past.

Why we're not doing that for on scripters reality entertainment projects it just blows my mind that spoke to loads of people about it and I know for a fact that extremas will commission more if we can get tax back in the UK for Unscripted entertainment which makes the Next Steps trying stuff going on the background of them some bits and bobs all the time and cannot really got very far with that if I'm honest I've not had the backing of industry boards for various reasons.

I'm not sure why but I'm I think the I think we need we need government we need to the big.

We need Patrick Holland this from banjos massive behind us I'm and he saw to be heading a little bit and hopefully that all that will help I mean it's where I come from.

I'm sort of representing the smaller in the community of the community where the voice is not hard as much if you're a massive mdlab Angie your voice is heard and Parliament creative Xbox one of our biggest industries in the Hyundai Tucson quite well out that I know that audio UK have been campaigning as well against for tax credits for podcasts and Radio 2 obviously, it's under pressure, but this is this something that they should be jumping into more well.

I think what Derek was saying they know if you can encourage more independent production you can encourage.

More UK voice is better ideas for domestic and international consumption and it produces revenue for the Exchequer then I see no reason not to do it.

You haven't seen the numbers any evidence it would indeed produced netting come but I do think that supporting an indigenous local production sector is critical and it is a major sector that's not being able to perform this because of lack of tax credit compared to say scripted the same as me.

That's something to look at so ending and supports.

You know UK local production.

I be in favour of and particularly if it drives exports and drives the Christopher Connor me it seems to me.

It's a win-win news recently about Channel 4 posts are on your report a slight have to talk about a getting in the Independent production they able to do for the first time.

They talk about maybe investing in Indies at Derek what are you and your colleagues think about Channel 4 gradual walk to making some of their own.

I've got a Bluetooth controversial, can you actually think it's a good thing I mean one it was only a matter of time and everyone panicked when BBC said they're going to do it and it's it worked.

Ok ultimi like everyone everyone hates you as well, Petherton

And I think we need to take commercial and how they going to bring in how they going to bring any more money when when ad revenues down and I think it's a very sensible thing to do that obviously little panic about how the effects of the reindeers are there going to be able to get commissions easier because they're in the building.

I think that needs to be what time but I mean hey if there's more is happening in the industry.

Than one is going to help law freelancers that are currently at work, but I think it's a really good strategic decision to make Channel 4 stronger and make shows alone and more shows order zip the trailer bit of its of its heritage to allow an introduction to me.

No I I I think it's a very good thing.

I think it is number first of all the date was saying it will strengthen the P&L we know the ITV Studios has been apart of ITV been performing better and so Channel 4 clearly want a slice of that totally understand it.

Rights to sell outside the UK which hopefully as a source of revenue for the last thing just done on what you doing to me a price you can please what what people think about their businesses, is it more commissions mean larger? Is it about IP is it international tell themselves? What would he doesn't because I think I think the IP thing I think I actually think less companies are bored about thing at the moment.

Everyone just trying to keep a roof over there than actually the still lot of money to be made in the Argonauts that you can give you a people are going to give you a returning production for modern with a within a budget in a lot of companies that we work with specifically our

I really struggling and as I was saying before someone haven't had anything away for couple of years and the other having to do teaching jobs on the side or producing job's still keep money coming in and I think any money from TVs at the moment.

That's been pretty busy recently all around the world with channel expanding distribution, but you about leaving someone else's hands has all been going so we've got 269 countries.

We've got Lily Tomlin to from nothing 3 years ago with lots of different languages some big platforms like Samsung I sent an LG and others so yeah someone else now.

Stuff I don't want to really be the guys sort of putting nuts on Bob so that somebody else to do that in in Los Angeles so yeah, so I'm having lots of lunches lots and lots of people.

I'd like to get back of thing to get more creative stuff on a bit less business the point that earlier you know I've always been paid you lucky I can do both I think recently well, but we'll see I mean thank you have call me.

Thank you very much so x interview style.

What have you watched? May be surprised you have you learnt in your your tenure there? I think the company is Christ on the New York Stock Exchange and there's all sorts of benefits there, but I think the problem with that is the focus is too much on the market of time.

It takes in terms of all the filing documents.

Are you know? It's probably two people entitled full time.

Just managing the listing and unfortunately everything is about is it going to move the stock and I don't have any business problem with that no problem, but I do think that you not go back to what Michael eisner told me when I call about dinner been busy that 3-months and I was really terrified, but he was amazing example of someone who created goodnight to Stephen brookheimer and then you can look at the the Disney pin out.

He said to me and show business the show comes first make a great show and then make business from it and I still believe in that you know great contain great idea is great production and then you know get as much money as you can but don't disrupt the film make money so I'd say that's the problem.

It's all about making money not about the creative well speak show business.

Time for the Odeon Network Media let's see how much attention I get an invite to the media news this week quiz.

It's called the biggest pitch to perfect people to escape the Netflix to announce their first original Podcast episode Jimmy Carr is pitched a new idea for a movie so we thought we pay homage to that today by Stealing the format 3 media news stories given the elevator pitch treatments all you got to do is tell me what the story is and once again Alexa audio network does take me 10 years brief from produce a maths and come up with an entire suite of music to score today's game, so it's the best of three buzzing with your name if you know the answer so poorly all say Paul in Derick you will say the biggest pitch his movie Pitch number 1.

A long time ago in a continent not too far away 16 rivals did battle was no one watched that Lord starmaker has appeared with a stream save WhatsApp think think soccer Wars any ideas.

Is this is the women's Champions League Disney have decided to commission and it's interesting because does Disney want to get into a sports rights by all the rights holders must be rubbing their hands with glee for another streamer my good Christmas is Coming of star India cricket stuff.

I'm open in the past.

I didn't know about life support being a real driver for for linear television.

Do you need something streaming Cricket IPL in India with the key driver of star no question about that then wengeo got

A huge problem is probably the last frontier it's because supporting movies always been the drivers in the UK support and movies and live sport is great because he wants to watch it at that particular time.

So you know pools in a massive unlike anything else you can dimension Amazon of daily with it Netflix are thinking about it.

I suspect that support is going to be part of the streaming platforms in a Disney's got to get more are poo and more revenue per user they got decent distribution Netflix is obviously the overall winner but Netflix is making twice as much by customers Disney so Disney's going to change that and sport could well be it has to be see if they have a bit of understanding her Disney how fast work medium movie Pitch and it's the wild west in South London the Old sheriff is dead can anyone hold governor Bromley to account?

Say what's happening in South London news the 118 years €160 only newsquest new shopper covers the area now.

I mean it's sort of boring world want a list of local newspapers disappearing from from the market as consumer behaviour.

I think they're they were the coverts.

It's a real shame.

I mean got an email on Saturday was scary isn't imagine been I mean I presume they have been there for over 100 years.

How many things were bad news a surprise and not a surprise I said that didn't he said you know Richard call, Ian it's been great covering this reason for sport he said but we all knew this day would come it's the ultimate odd couple one ex-footballer one movie star both the sales people they sit down to watch the Champions League final and cross promote their various brand extensions until their heads explode like another movie Derek this is David Beckham and Tom Cruise real life live stream of David Beckham watching the Champions League final with Tom Cruise obviously great cross promo for their own Mission Impossible movie is it based the Gogglebox with lights?

What's me and it's name is obviously thought this is bringing his power and so yeah, I guess that is a different way some of the coverage with a sword of putting like Disney character on Nickelodeon characters and having separate streams of things are different way to cover cover sport help.

I can get them first time you like them to the quiz my thanks to Paul aunty Derek is Alex audio network for this week sweets of music.

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Are we taking off on this week's round of the day in history on Monday how Gone with the Wind it was just a book Tuesday the anniversary of the day the west first made the Walkmen on Wednesday Cecil the lion vs.

The minnesotan dentist, is it really been 10 years on Thursday the day David Bowie killed off his?

Alter ego and on Friday the boxing match that sparked race riots across the USA we discuss this and more on today in history with the retrospective 10-minutes each week Day podcast.