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Already there no I want to recommend Jeffrey Goldberg as the join the media down because I think he has done a brilliant job at the journalist not only by his behaviour once being included in this study included only completely mistaken by the US national security and secretary in this unbelievably high-level signal is encrypted for those listeners who intend to cook did so it's sort of seem to be safer more secure for fish and welcome in a minute and then pretend you don't know who they are impressive is one during this.

Source of evidence which a lot of really irresponsible down this would have done because obviously he would have put national service personnel under threat and then of course he did Publishing and didn't do all the details because again he was trying to be as you know really respect or dumbness until he was at lately.

I mean the President Trump called in a sleazebag.

You know the people are just real venom and then he came out with and published to all of our great source of Joy teams with sadness the fact that these people who are in charge of the biggest source of wealth superpower with fingers on the red button sound like sort of fat boys with excited emojis over the fact that many people who teaser going to die.

So you know hats off to him.

I think he definitely if he's already there he should be.

He comes over doing it.

Well.

I think it properly and interestingly the trump administration has she starts off my sort of missing yes, it was a mistake and this is all true and then of course you have to deny deny.

Deny and they have twisted themselves into into odd shapes to try and defend what things cost more information that should be on there some suggestion that he was on his jg4 is initials and he thought maybe that was JD they couldn't really see it properly which has a reason just seems Armley for all really double check that you should know him even though he obviously have his number in his phone.

I'm also well done as well.

I'm not joining the chat going hard for him leaving volunteer.

Would I do that with my friends kick me out? Would you believe I don't know I think I might stay at the time you'll be thinking I can't believe this.

I can't believe you and say you sort of waiting for that and then of course it and I thought his right up actually the article that has happened was just because it was quite funny.

I've just like this happened and I thought it was a joke.

I thought it was a sting I've been trolled.

This is real.

I thought that was just very stayed in could have been a reliable to like JD Sports birthday party.

I had one I think I have a listen to last week.

So if they're not on last extract Dawn and Stephen Graham I would like to know the writers of adolescent.

Incredible piece of television it is profoundly depressing burner very good way.

I think that the therapist is so good and there were so many in its favour seals.in One Show and I honestly watching it every time I remember it was in Russia I sort of had like kind of anxiety and anxiety like I'm looking is going to myself.

So yes and just had some fantastic numbers and it just is the thing that everyone's talking about that is increasingly difficult to a TV these days, so yeah, I just think well done them.

You know they're having fun and they're both just brilliant like anything that's alright, so I will watch anything Stephen Graham as in I will I will you and Harry watch well.

I just the man of the house and doesn't move around the whole lot but it says a lot and I don't know how he does it is incredible and the writing as well, so you are both well.

Join absolutely to see what they did well.

I mean they they was 1% the EU uses of their services.

They took away.

I mean there's been a lot of criticism of particularly amongst the publishing industry.

You know the law firm suing them for 13 billion pounds for UK publishers for all the content that they have taken and not paid for have really described as it at the survey Google themselves and said of course they wouldn't they but it does seem slightly cheap really you know it's Tony's I'm home and you've got Google surely.

They could have done bigger numbers and also why was really surprising.

That's what really surprised but Google

What is that you know need content doesn't doesn't pay anything for example you know the price is a loss-making make loads of money, but it gets lots of kudos Ireland and was interesting are the figures which has let you know news is 2% the whole of social media was 4% and Pauline with 3% so actually number with a runny nose is AD revenue attracting and you can we all know the reasons why an Advertiser don't like being next to plane crashes for example especially if they are easyJet airline, but you can see that has an enormous value.

Just think I'm driving you so yeah, I don't feel like they really covered.

Huge glory, although I think there is no argument there that it's not a major at revenue driver didn't drop off and you didn't go down but people know they're in the study showed that when you go to Google you're not going to get new site results that you think you're going to get that you are still being driven there by then.

Yes, so if you search for a store and it doesn't Pop Up what you going to do anyway.

Yeah, I mean you're I'll give you it just said I think you would assume.

It's hasn't been updated yet or not or there's more about it or I'll go to that website and going on.

I don't know if this is because we're in the media, but I always think that's because they usually good.

It's not tracking properly what they're doing.

You're not saying Google

The Guardian away from it searched and therefore.

It's not going to the top yeah, this is the way the EU regulators who was looking at Google the dominance Google saying will the newspapers would say that wouldn't Google would say that wouldn't I feel like if you were in the middle of that you just Kyle play gone on all your houses Google know that they've got used to argue with that.

They had the cinema in Australia when people try to force them to put money into the UK Australia New Zealand samosa using Canada this is almost like public policy.

Chest is not right J

I mean, I would say actually have all the big tech firms Google has been far better than letter x in terms of something doing something cos obviously nowhere near enough if you're a publisher and this is all about lobbying isn't this is all about trying to make sure your argument.

You're trying to say to publish we don't care what you give us the sad thing in many ways is the news publishing acceptance at the very beginning that actually what they need she was away all their content to Google because they all went for reach how fabulous it is that you can go from a tiny local one national newspaper and M global audience and worry about the consequences of making absolutely no money from that later as well when I living with the consequences or should have come home to roost.

We spoke about a probe into TV companies.

To whether they were colluding over freelancer app, please handed over to the CMA the competitions and markets authority about this.

What's with the results so yeah, it's too late.

So when the original story broke the CMA was suggesting.

I can't believe that was heavily implied that they had evidence or at least two instances of Rules being broken and yeah, that's come back and said oh actually it's not worth out.

It's not worth the resources for us to look into this so essentially they've dropped the case into a group of individual producers and the BBC and ITV and the statement which was a little bit like will we spoken to them and we told them that it would be bad if they were doing this and that you know they would get into a lot of trouble and they understand it's very bad and they're not going to do it but on the sports broadcasters, didn't they so sort of blew the whistle got out of?

The worst offender yes still admit it ok and yeah the sports sort of broadcasters and production and admit that there was an issue that where is it and yeah? It's not that far.

I have not a smaller and it's more difficult to work it out who has the evidence you know I don't know change.

I think free on since we've been showed enough respect for the work.

They do and what was interesting as they are obviously the survey was a bit like almost we can't be bothered with this now.

It seems like you have argued.

Of course in German let me know the energy for example has here is the stamp duty for a freelance and actually it's very low because that's what has been agreed and a lot of freelancers will argue that only relying on freelance earnings.

It's really really hard to make a living so the one thing also really struck me was the drama at the moment you no listen to the Peter kosminsky interview basically.

There's a crisis and TV drama and this seems like the same main the government going to look at anything this evening very small part, but they should I really proper full sun review into the funding and financing of British dramas, and it's a much bigger thing is though I'm awful freelancers or any creative mode pay the proper wage for doing a great job, but it's a really big issue there send this idea and sort of you know as you say like sky the worst offender sort of best off early and then base.

Get charged with anything it doesn't feel like it's like a bit of a review in something that they didn't care about tickly but I will tell everyone says that but never last two years seems like another cake all these stories are very experienced producers.

Who are sort of taking cuts and white dragon Tesco bands or just just going I just need to make ends meet so the idea that even when they are getting work.

They may not be getting there is a very yeah.

It is a very difficult kind of thumb pill to swallow.

I didn't like the slow down the money the budget cuts for this sort of forcing the TV touch companies to go not what's the lowest we'll get away with but I budgets are from one of people being paid Elsewhere and it's driving them to make those decisions without thinking of this is sort of clues.

Yeah, I think that's entirely possible.

Yeah.

I think certainly every time in broadcast we have a you know an interview with the production company where they talk about all you know we managed to do this on the cheat on social media from freelancers going yet, so what you're saying is the screen us and your kind of loading them for that elsewhere, but yeah, but that probably is what's happening as well and that is that is really difficult because the production company just struggling to stay in business vs.

Precious little work out there and weather weather is there for tariffs and not want them to be to make it.

It's a really difficult situation at the moment.

It is a really tough more as we've discussed, but it's also I think the working conditions as yeah.

No not better and have a lead you to a really bad.

I mean I talk to you now TV production companies where there's no HR facility.

For the work you've done being sort of let go after 6-months and not seen the fruits of your labour because of the economic models with a bit tricky things going all the time before we is this challenge where if you are working you don't want to rock the boats in because you got a job and you know that not a lot of your colleagues after all sides of BBC's two places withdrawn plans to add adverts to podcast in the UK this is sort of off of BBC not on BBC sounds put on platforms like Spotify and apple podcasts set by the BBC at the time.

It's all of came from nowhere and a right to go actually yes, maybe we shouldn't have fallen out that very difficult is for the BBC to make money with a licence fee model many many years I personally been writing BBC funding you know the pressure.

How to make money to charge me even when you know you're overseas and accessing BBC content, there's a criticism of them charging anything for BBC studio content and then I can see why the commercial radio obviously and podcast screws absolutely did not want this to happen and I think that we did it my way going to do this no consultation.

No sense of why might be really really difficult but as I say you know they need to really think about how are we going this was not the way but it did strike me that is always very difficult for them to work in another commercial area and not be incredibly criticised for a strange to do it would make loads of money it would make somebody put the BBC content library music on turn it's not the stuff that we want real rabbit.

I send and Sue they sort of how they kept their powder dry.

Actually, you could have added into the next the next term this week BBC Studios have got a new F1 Show I think coming out.

That's not going to be a BBC and it's just more commercial thing to break into UK TV in UK TV I'm by the BBC they commission new programs that sits on an ad funded channels, is it trying to mix the streams when it goes a bit? Yeah, I think so, I think I was it feels like the BBC will focus on one person at a time so that you're not competitive enough.

You're not commercial enough.

He has been commercial and then kind of forget that everyone else is going to give it your this huge based in media market anyway you put down as going to squash somebody and I think it is just that sort of trying to release UK TV is sort of hives after one side isn't it? Would be separate entity as well, but yeah, I think it is just a tricky one whichever way, they move they're going to squash somebody conversations never stop with a return to it.

Massive debate they're about to have it may not seem like such a random also, can we stop BBC commissioners appearing on BBC podcasts BBC sounds creative? It's never been there.

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Just go to the media club.com that save my dick club.com Rebecca still with Mica radio a globe with made a lot of these changes these rules have changed they can relax the local programming about hours.

Maybe take a bit longer at to make the same decision cridland write this week that whilst this is probably end of local commercial radio something is lost when they won't be a local accent on are not knowing mention of the M62 at this time of night or singing a song for people coming back from the Steelers game.

That's a shame about relevance to people's lives and that sort of sense of I guess that's a community isn't it in this wider sense of people have been able to relate to what they're hearing things like a dose-related.

Yeah, I think I know that my accent thing as well.

Seems like a very particular thing as well because I think we do have more regional accents on TV on radio the movies too but I still think that was that was where people you know people were hearing people that sounded like them ashes when people cutting their teeth as well and that you used to be able to get national match.

So yeah, I think I think he's absolutely right that was really lovely way to put it on the radio was over regulated internet competition the TV's on newspapers surely, they they should be able to run their businesses.

Can I have they like absolutely most disastrous table? What's happened to me during the last 20-years has been the really the collapse of local content.

I think it really matters I know.

Of course there is a commercial imperative Aberfan the media so regulator in you know that's why there's always been just look at the newspaper industry and Johnston Press literally took all that money out and had loads of shareholders and executives and just killed the local businesses and the lack of local voices having provided more global and I agree James and pieces really good a regional content but it's but it's still much more likely to be a shed serving there's no it maybe the M62 but there's definitely not the b4114.

Love just been closed by terrible happening and I think that that is it I actually think is so does democratic deficit and the lack of local reporters and local context stories.

People can hear it's not been provided by newspapers anymore and it's not been provided by radio in the same way, I mean fortunately.

There are these great new sort of startups and ideas are about to do a session journalism festival with Jessie Herman Miller Media set up a greater Manchester and it's just you know that's brilliant, but we need more of that and to support the people like Jim and Jesse the new models for this.

We not leave it up to the the big groups to come over something innovative not knowing how to have a sustainable model the local it is small scale is accessible.

I think that is that is a problem across the media right.

Yeah the internet pay yeah still still.

Do you like the value or funny only have to look at that Liz truss interview and out these local broadcasters.

They were presenters on some breakfast, then the local presenter did amazing jobs at saying we represent the people who live here.

They don't live in London and this is what we want to hold you and they were amazing it.

Just seems such a tragedy that we don't have a business model that can pay for that about talent talent pipeline is and radio is always try to perform telly in another places and that's absolutely fine, but they will want some great jokes and another day or on this Monopoly stations, where do those people come from and I think for those big Radio 2 BBC if you're not going to do it on here? What are you going to put in place to ensure that you know you look after yourselves, but you help build Talent for the industry to people that have been celebrated for being counted are those.

You are in the new BAFTA nominations they've just come out as it's for the TV awards with the shows in 2024 some of it shows that have been nominated so baby reindeer has absolutely I think they've got a normal Nations going on so you know it and it's the TV and craft Awards answer the writer.

There's a load of come across want about editing a design and then it'll cost you got your lead actor.

You're my bro.

I find a bit older because I was thinking about that, but yes, so she's up for it and then we've also got arrivals and slow horses and then obviously.

Awards for chimney forever, I was definitely get it when somebody else is that a kind of judges of seen so much of it now.

It's a long ago because they've seen it Windows rewards.

I think we should give some to go but you just wonder if after are going to want to go now, but this was the show that prove the value of TV you know that everybody talks about that had that cuts through so yeah, I think you can streaming shows that of Horses rivals and which is really impressive that you can write it off a lot of water is recently what have you been too? Well? I didn't go to this week's programming Awards but I am a couple of weeks ago went to the journalism the RTS journalism.

Brilliant incredible loads of great winners, but one of the controversies on the night the number of panels where they had suggested and John listen, God as a worthy of a special award and it wasn't awarded on the night and there was a note from the chair of Judges saying that because of the sort of controversy and what was going on in Gaza and I mean for journalists feel like they should be away from a community when the fact that any contact came out of there was astonished, but then I hear that actually RTS must have I don't know enough.

I don't know if you can help.

You know why did they decide they would do it on the television over the Beginning cannabis will have the account number and then and then we've got this special Award for journalism everybody applaud and it was a bit colour bra.

It was a weird sort of placing.

I've just like you that's great and it did just feel like it felt like her ok.

We don't get this in I could speak to the thinking of that.

I couldn't speak to you whether or not that is what yeah that's a lot of people saying we thought you were going to get an award and then they decided not to the last minute and send a note round saying I think it's a bit tricky right now and I think that probably lead but as you say can imagine it feels like water in ear but

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Ratings makes that Adolescents the drama Netflix drama for the first time I made history in by being top of the TV charts in the UK and made by a streamer radio Bob charts, which has all the regular shows on in it for the last couple of years.

We had if we finally made it to the top to get there any other choice than to make it show you something like the most streamed show for a week like the most streams in a weekly show ever know it's really impressed.

Yeah and again.

It's just that you know Netflix is kind of because they don't generally have the same numbers.

And yet here they were just yet smashing up and you say incredible really that it was this sort of you know for part very difficult drama and not the Crown or something that the whole world you think but it seems to be really interested in it, but like it has just taken off it away that kind of yeah.

I don't know that you could have predicted.

It was really just called something that they seems that the producers seems a bit surprised coordinators intimacy Rebecca Gwyneth Paltrow film and timothée chalamet and she sort of commented that you know she's so had to ask the intimacy coordinator to back off a bit and that it wasn't really necessary and kind of that.

Yeah.

There's a bit of feeling that she saw.

Are we always took her clothes on and off and get on with it? I don't need you interfering and I thought your Caroline Hollick who's the extra controller at Channel 4 kind of said yeah like this is really responsible and unhelpful and and Culture War II and I think I think he's right actually I think you know it's it's over Qatar me that like if you would sort of been filming and there was somebody with a boom mic overhead that was a little bit too enthusiastic.

She would not have told the press about how the sound engineer gone and you've had previously in Hollywood is going ok, so nobody needs.

It is a bit of a leap to make and you just think now that you know I'm glad you I'm glad you had a good experience in my front but not everybody has it doesn't seem wrong to have some.

Even if you kind of want to say thanks.

I'll take it from here it you should have the option and other people with less than you have the option I was surprised one it taking as long as it has because she keeps on coming about this like I grow up at a time when we just took her clothes off and got on with you, which was it but it's also it's quite complicated this we did actually go public against Harvey Weinstein and quite Brave and the time and not one of the original women but you know she did use her cloud it seems like such a backward step coming out and I want to be cynical you think she would not need and you don't need it if you got something for my like chalamet.

He's like this holiday.

See you know.

I'm glad to be nice.

When is it like the three reports year 1 asshole loses over billion a year was quite interesting that sat.

It's up to you after they've had some great success, but they are so much more than Netflix apple really I'm making a lot of money from other things like your phone so much.

They make so much money that really a billion.

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