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I'm your host Matt Deegan on the show today is the oldest newspaper about to be thought by the UK's youngest news friend Charlotte tobitt you get edit press Gazette is here to explain the program phasmin TV indeed cold water play some big telly stories this week including a reshuffle at BBC children's plus a could you benefit for a new podcast accelerator programme The and Ali had unlocked podcast tells us more as well all the gossip from this week's radio festival that's all happening in this edition of the media club come on in for us and Charlotte hello.

Hello lovely to see you both in our new in.

Inclusion ITV has been up to be the chief people officer in January 2025, so it's brilliant appointment for ITV she is I think I've never hurt anybody in telly.

That's quite a difficult feat switch unless you know club.com friend of mine.

She see me persecution difficult times and Industry I know she just really properly cared about people working in the appointment for the whole industry to pick up any great to you adding in I'd like to add the entire museum of the evening Standard so so today the day we recording is the day that the final daily edition of the my son has come out there.

It's already not daily ready for Monday to Friday I've picked up.

Copy on YouTube next Thursday and they've got one of can a new style picture from pages and then you have page 3 you've got editor doing Jones talk about what the new weekly one's going to be didn't swear in the media climber.

Thought I'd mention a media story they've got witches that global radio is starting a fight with the council over the lazy buskers in Leicester Square so yeah definitely want the game.

I want to eat.

I've worked in that build a couple of years.

I can't put towards the back up to the amount of output.

Microphone stuffing your face in there something like that in exchange for them moving Circus just the people at the standard unit kind of the journalist correspond.

That's opened in great work.

They had months of uncertainty you're ready of May that they announce that these changes some of them are leaving in redundancy summer staying in a helping to put a new product, so I don't think they deserve a massive shout out.

I will get out my admin and send all those two two people and that he's so I've been watching a celebrity race across the world like I'm sure lots of people have so Tim Harcourt I think you need to produce there in the creator of the format.

Scented invite him.

Have you been watching Celebrity yes? I love it.

I could talk to you about this for the whole when was the keynote speaker that he loves you too and I think different title different situation took a long time and development and now it just feels like one of the shows has been around forever the Amazing Race as well in America she been a long long time but this one seems to be a proper juggernaut the first time.

I've watched it.

So that's the one that this series first time.

I've watched it and go back and watch all the live player is one where the celebs versions are only as good as the normal version only half of them celebs anyway, and they still you know they're still in hospital and 21 hour buses unit is a real leveller.

Weirdly I think if you think about a lot Unscripted and Factory shows the key is always a casting really think that they are the heroes what's going on the TV at the moment as if you get the car seat for show wrong show the thought of a cliff very very quickly ok right.

It's like it is here in the middle of somewhere that we can maybe maybe we can do that Charlotte has your beaches.uk press.

There are lots of press stories at the moment with all the Telegraph who's going to be the next big news deal, but turns out preserver.

The world's oldest newspaper is suddenly maybe and its transfer window and Tortoise will be looking to to buy it who saw that coming.

Absolutely came out of nowhere.

I said it in our WhatsApp group earliest we going WTF and then obviously is tortoise approach them with this offer shopping at out or anything like that, so I think even at the Observer guardian Media Group they were initially blind side and then this is actually quite cities of Santa not consider.

I think that was kind of a few weeks ago.

It turns out kind of now say it and now it's obviously like serious enough they decided exclusive Talk SIM must have gone.

Oh my god, let's sell this is super quick.

I can't believe someone to come along to Dubai print publication of us.

Yes probably fair to say that it's not the highest revenue generating part of their business anymore and they are going it all the things at the same now.

Are they trying to be more?

Remote digital more refunded you know by which I don't mean people buying a paper on that mean people supporting that jammers and by involuntary paying so the Observer doesn't fit so much into that because you've got a paper if you listen to this probably get it on the brewery digital t-shirts with the Guardian and the Guardians Guardians mobile app, so it is a really a digital brand.

It's an Olive Branch mean, that's confusing thing about it.

It's like they're in a digital world is no digital footprint for dry.

Well and has been agreed for them.

So the brand of the Observer has been diminished.

You didn't call it Sunday guardian now here.

We are those kind of parallel to what happened you the world and you wonder how the World by providing our Madness that happened a number of years ago, but it's

I think it's really interesting play.

What's it gonna start pissing it all together? I think what's really interesting is that you have just seen the new evening Standard go weekly.

So there is clearly An Appetite the market for a weekly long-read though.

I should say shout out my colleague Tom has I think just like as we record spoke to James Harden so will hopefully have more tomorrow, but tortoise currently is all digital can have some in-person events, but really it's all about digital in particular about the podcast started life really long reads slow journalism.

They discovered that people want reading all the way to Radio podcasts people were happy to engage with long form investigative journalism and they can build up.

Stronger business around that so it's like sweet Bobby hoaxed.

It's quite a few and some of those of actually just gone in to BBC sounds ideal say Andy and sweet Bobby's give me a Netflix drama so like in all of that.

They're doing quite well, so I think the players that the Observer will be kind of a print ad on where print the main medium that they currently don't have anything in and I mean they won't be able to have a star.

So they want that is not like those dwarf the title of Springwatch yeah.

I think a lot of what you're buying is the brand so why would you change the name? I was a bit of me that looks of this tortoise is Virgin media company would have been through Underground

And the last underground was very podcast focused so that sort of what they said week.

I'm a podcast business now.

I look at this and go did the underground Leeds and they need a new big idea and you can often go and race and cash on a big ideas how to repair with Anna choir Legacy publication attached that brands.

I mean I put different Theory series is all about IP right so there's been lots of chatter about how journalists securing the kind of the Netflix rights with their kind of going right ok.

Let's break a story but let's make sure we hold on to it so we can turn it to film and TV series so I wonder if it's like what's the quickest way that we can obtain as much journalistic IP as possible so that we can then go on and sell that as as films and TV programmes and books and and it feels like it kind of ups and complete the Guardian

Doing a lot of Acts it's got a big deal with Sony for like 1st look so there was kind of caught in the middle of he wants to do that if you're a journalist really your job you just in the IP follow that both Film and Television that you looked in newspapers in journalism to find a really interesting story that you can turn into something can so why would they not be at the start of darling and only a bit more so that's that's work, but I don't know how it's involved in a sweet Barbie doll on Netflix I don't know if they are exactly all they've got a taking it off.

It's literally just been lifted and renegotiate y-axis and production company if they haven't across about it if they have to be very happy about it proves that big quit.

Major writers so happy Freeman John friedlander around a bit and David Baddiel what's happened.

That's prompted this.

There's a freelancer called Elon me who has written articles basically saying that they were based on intelligence sources now.

It seems that might have been like a single anonymous source that that's all a bit of a Jewish Chronicle did investigation into his pieces and have deleted them all and said it would work with him again and some of the stories seem to have been used kind of his justification for Israel carrier operations.

It's quite has implications basically that caused the lot of concern around kind of editorial processes and how they got published in the first place rather than being pro Israeli it's sort of quite pro liquid is kind of a little more hardline then perhaps.

Yeah, so it's we kind of summarised it in as having three main problems kind of that editorial standards piece that bias and being to the right side of it and thirdly criticism from like Hadley Freeman and Jonathan friedland.

I think was about them is quite murky.

Hoover ownership has been in recent years because we don't really know if you saved it and it was part of that team now.

It's transferring to being a charitable trust which might be complex and its political stuff as well as in the UK It's source is also been difficult for a news media publisher to be a charity in.

That's begun to be a bit easier, but that's more being feel like there's a local 16 sample Guildford dragon say that that's quite complicated, but this isn't like a sudden things that have been concerns before and twice in two years has been a group of basically people who have either one.

Ipso regulated complaints against the chronicle or one libel case against them they been asking if so to begin a standard investigation.

So you can have said with monitoring it and it's a has done various kind of Moray level work with them and got a new editor of years ago and you know they said last year can they won't be out by being bullied by groups like that says you know it is a complicated history, but it's really interesting that's going to reach this Mark well, so many corners have spoken out about it.

Yes.

For a moment at your old stomping ground of children's TV and restructuring going on in Salford I think 11 jobs get ago and they going to outsource presentation.

Yeah, that was that mean probably has the Broom back in the day and it's a real kind of iconic part of BBC children's both CBeebies and BBC and it's been kind of real part of identity some interesting questions raised about when CBBC goes online which is related to happen next few years do I play cBBC and it's now very much the the way that is consumed questions have been asked about Newsround and and presentation.

Presentation exist in online space make me some really cool both programmatic and and and also I lead innovation around prayers when you watch blogger and talking to camera mean it takes an element of what they've been doing for 40 years.

What happened the way it's always been in it has been linked again cartoon or TV show and getting into next one based around the rapper if identity which is always been you know he staple of the television in the UK not just on the channels as well, so I think it's it is a shame but it does it is part of this conversation about how much should the BBC be making themselves and how much should get tender doubt it does make sense that they still get tendon.

Is this the participation of activity dog that you can start open up then opportunity once he start looking at at at at commercialising and also can you take me to yo12 attendance and other companies that can do something with it? It's a shame and people's jobs at risk and obviously it's a place.

It's very close to my heart and I know how hard people their work, but I think that we do need to start thinking about is it still going to be moving forward particularly with how.to.de children of you in that content as opposed to how their parents arguing that concert to see the Balamory is being thing but I know that it's everyone's gone.

It's gone nuts for it's going out to tender looking for production partner to take it on a property in Scotland and commission.

Descriptive piece and has got a lot of kind of attention attached to it.

Having a number of brands that have been rebooted on children's television recently generate great headlines.

I guess so once you get the headlights there people know that exist and then gets adopted by a where the shortcut also Byker Grove coming back at something or producing.

So they have their development at the moment.

I will make sure I protect my eyes and ready myself before the break and Charlotte too big with the Murdoch Empire with the family in court to work out the company who can control the company after Rupert's retires the story of succession never stops, I just love.

Genuinely closest to the TV show it's mad yeah, essentially it had been set up so that his children would get like kind of relatively equal say he is actually wants to change it so that lachlan.

Who is his eldest son has the most control is there the most kind of ideologically online and things like that for older ones and about the ownership of the top four get a vote each group has just realised that the only child with this sort of aligned with his views is lachlan, and James especially like he's reading all this stuff now, but all said all this stuff about how his father's publications of like basically killed the planet.

Absolutely very worried about own outlet everything I've built they could completely change it and you will see that is his Legacy as a family problem.

Really is that you really do care about your company more than your kids surely the interaction and how they report him that I'm getting her mind about saying that rigdon.

All this nonsense and all that has been such a way that it wasn't there was a moment when you thought that they were going to become more centrist and and maybe dell.com it all down and now they're gone completely back in that direction again very very.

What's the done that have continued? It's no success as a business.

It's actually that's the thing that kind of always gets the main headline news talk to you now.

That's kind of dawn, but it's certainly not been successful.

Thought it would be have been kind of wacky things I tried to do that, but my space at one point and there's a rumour going round to buy Rightmove at the moment.

You said no to the initial very old is the supporting an accurate is very hard that you making any decisions based on his political leanings unless he really does fundamentally put those political leanings of the things that keep news international Business more than the children but if he believes that that's having that is why they are financially successful, then obviously Hill believe that keeping it away.

Is is better for his children as well, but maybe they that they don't see it.

The legal argument writing changing the trust requires him to convince the judge that this is in the best interests of his children will choose the things that are not in the best producer.

They're doing this in a state where there's much top of regulations on court cases being covered.

Yes, I think the media groups together and try to get in and it's been denied it so considering.

It's all about and use business.

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Hi, are you in ducted last week into the media covered by Radnor so bad that you have you have shut up you off on the sofa welcome.

Thank U next means produce that he'll have to go off and do some hard work, but you always try on so pleased about what you up to from Iraq but last time we met you would be doing a podcast related things so just explain your new Gaff so I've just started a podcast production company called unlocked which is part of.

Puncher group which is a bigger organisation made up of a load of Life smaller agencies so their kind of longest standing business is a partnership which is 10-cm writers and directors.

They also have to bloodline agencies and media rights company called oh dear voice-over agency and a TV show broadcasting definitely thought of audio shaped out enjoying the creative freedom is a massive shift from BBC so what are you after so I doubt amplifier couple weeks ago and about with it because I think my boss is never like me anymore anymore shows.

Well, we can make a load of shows and kind of throw things at the wall and see what sticks but actually there's so many really amazing great shows up their independence shows that could do with the support that we have in-house and the expertise and knowledge that we have because all those different kind of pastas is that I just mentioned are really useful for podcasts in terms of exploiting our pizza.

It's full potential so I'm looking for a mid-sized call kostas existing shows that maybe have been just on their own trying to do something exactly that miss I say they have around me like 2005 list for episode always on but they can be seasonal and like content on revising really open I mean because it's me I'm always really interested in stories from underrepresented voices and host and I just really interesting impact of them be.

Coming from someone else previously been an independent podcast I know one of the biggest barriers to growth is lack of resources, and we have a lot of Resource and house.

We have all the time pass the business we have access to Talent river studio and office as well so in your past lives by the time it Spotify the time BBC where you involved with some new Talent schemes, what have you taken from those for this? I think there is so much power in kind of Supporting grassroots.

Just generally well that be telling me that we shows and kind of having a party that with multi try again part of that with audiolab and is all about payment forward for me because once you pay It Forward I just like the more creativity can fly.

I think when the time is right now where there's being so much money thrown at Big Talent and that's what I'm doing as well, but at the same time.

I think it's really important investment because with the

We engage with podcasting changing being a video that makes it so much harder to break through independent and it's all because the way that we can do Meteors change that because social media is video first tiktok video first Instagram a first even YouTubers Our Time podcast as a video first but as a podcaster who is kind of Justice doing audio for you here to oh yeah, so we're doing a really good thing I buy TV which is with Lee Ridley who won Britain's Got Talent as a lost voice guy with pairing pairing try dropping.

The headmaster in the last season of sex education who has hearing loss and so 181cm doesn't hear it's called evil escapes you can probably guess what I am in the car and they go around the country seeing some wild and wacky things that Britain has to offer it will really excited about it.

Cos we think that it's gonna show disability in a really kind of accessible and fun anyway, so I got amazing team as well, so yeah, it's going to be a look if we get it right thing that I don't know if I can talk about you and you always say that but when I can talk about it, you'll be back.

Yeah, the bells will ring yes, I'll get you to stay and that's another thing that will be doing soon and do you think

Can I take a bit of a flooring in money and things flowing through the sex of a little bit stuck and the start of the Year things are starting to unlock but I don't even want to come close to saying that it's coming back again.

There are a lot of love.

Freelancers are at work right now.

They lock the struggling a lot of companies that do what they can.

See you know you got lucky and we managed to learn a couple of commissions.

Maybe is a trend and hopefully we'll get some more we're having some more interesting conversation about definitely true.

I having some things that feel like they they will translate into like real commissions and we'll work as opposed to just lots of chats so we're optimistic.

You know what to make for ourselves.

I just want to get back to her.

And I know it's like a lovely thing tonight by genuinely just get back to hire in someone great people who you know I know the industry right now because yeah absolutely really really really sad stories out by to people's health and and people's finances and the sooner we can get the the work going at the radio festival on Wednesday I think you knew that I was there as well.

I heard David pressed.

Who's the MD of whistledown he was talking about the Great post office scandal radio show podcasts that he makes things commissioners say to people pitching I was sitting next to Radio 4 who was someone laughing along my favourite line.

He said the heat source of heard this idea, but can I get Beyonce to present it?

Phone Emma in the top festival and if you doing a session what we did it for telling people how to buy podcasts which is all back positions with fizzy from Morgan from content is clean and Stuart Morgan Morgan from all the always so buying a podcast.

What does that even mean acquisitions so that's fine like my strategy with amplify so instead of making loads stuff from scratch.

Look at what's already out there and how you can control develop it and I thought you had a great intro approach to that because they acquired help I sexted my boss and they've got a hold in their network and they kinda look at how they can add audience values of the shows that the network well.

I feel like I'm taking a different approach by the show that I don't have potential especially in the IP space in terms of translating into other forms of Media that we can help grow like.

Television in some ways if you put the resources to make things better job fishing job at them and Resources to identify them know you like lift them up to get more audiences and and a lot of broadcasting seem to start hobbies and people doing that themselves and then they get an audience and we always talk about how the best podcast for the ones that feels like you're changing your mates and so they need to start from entity but you get to certain point.

Where is a lot of commitment you know to keep it going people expect a lot from you since knowing that goes as an avenue to two scale is always a good thing people buying feet is that a thing ever need some big questions on telly on about if you start a show somewhere and then you go elsewhere.

Can you?

Food with you on a ghost shaped to take that do you buy it from the old owner's people on it? What happens if people having to start from scratch? There's not a lot of deals that I've seen will it be able to do that yes, well.

I'm really think depends Hyundai dealer to do remember with audiolab.

I was very specific on if that leaves pick up after you can do every one with the food and we'll be doing anything with amplifier like the idea is that you can buy it for you if we both want to keep us together.

We can work together.

Otherwise you can take the food like putting your own mobile number to a new network.

You know the deal with a scandal recently, but I can think of something of a it wasn't a global show but the house that moved.

Because you got taken over by Ana Luisa and Anna because of those things that happened at home people more aware of it.

I think Chris and more aware of it.

You need to Almost sort out before you do a deal exactly what type is that we've owners are definitely recycling them to tell the shows that but if it lasts for a week.

It's got a brand out there.

It's so happy to sample the show you might as well do something with that and that.

What are you doing for the for the operators? They vs.

Megalodon money building audience to that feed into that show show doesn't exist let's get some value from the fast way that I launched with unlocked.

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Have I got news for you to the US but which network and I know this it's CNN it is because Mark Thompson Thompson the Mark Thompson who used to be the teacher at the BBC is now like heading up CNN and what have I got news for you what I was watching the UK but we can watch in the UK has the BBC required the rights to the US version about to watch that on iPlayer write to you too and flexes revealed that for British made shows at the most popular of the year so far, but can you name them Bridge term the Reindeer

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