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BBC sounds music Radio podcasts and welcome to feed hello, is there anyone there hello? Hello? Are you there any answers having a complete tax breakdown on Radio 4 right now with my wife Claire patiently waiting to hurt any answers presenter Anita and became the new queen of filling time live on Earth also our role in the system is to try and answer that question of why what is it? It's gone wrong here.

What's cause this to happen.

So that we can then try that happening in the future and the future victims from experiencing the same under the skin of behind the crime the Radio 4 series were to forensic psychologist sit down with an ex-prisoner exploder upbringings and the decisions that lead them to crime and as the director general warns of more cuts for the BBC we hear a heartfelt interview from the outgoing.

Of the BBC World Service it is completely exceptional and unique as a service any concerns.

I might have regarding the future of the BBC World Service how to do with simply availability in my country known radio Force behind the crime to forensic psychologists Dr Sally tilt and Dr kerensa devote each program to interviewing one form of criminal in-depth in an effort to unpick how their life experiences contributed to go to station to offend and Dr Sally and I'm Dr kerensa hocken we're both forensic psychologists.

He spend our days working in prisons with people have committed some of the most serious offences, so how long did he serve in Britain served 1111 months and 11 months you think you spent how many months in the segregation unit for about so well over half.

Never alone in your own headspace well Sally tools and kerensa hocken join me now programs that you made in this recent series are with men Who Stare prison sentences, and I just wondering how similar is the interview that we here as listeners to the job that you do inside prisons when you're working with a prisoner.

I'd say there's some similarities everybody speak to you on behind the crime everybody we meet in prison has received the punishment part of the sentence, so that's the reason there in prison all the people behind the Crime of been to prison and being released and so are Rolling it is to try and prevent future victims and so you can only really do that by answering that question of why did this happen in the first place so a bit like if you're trying to understand what's going on with the car and me know.

What's up with the engine.

You need to understand what the problem was before you can fix it so our role in the system is to try and answer the question of why what is it? It's gone wrong here.

What's cause this to happen, so that we can.

Trying to avoid that happening in the future and present future victims from experiencing the same thing now.

I'm sure you know we've had quite a few positive comments from people who enjoy the program.

My name is Liz Arundel and I live in West Sussex I wanted to get in touch to say how much I appreciate it.

You're serious behind the crime and how important I believe it to be a society how to gain a better understanding of how people are lead into a Life of Crime my name is Claire rich.

I'm retired teacher and I live in Bournemouth I listen to behind the crime broadcast featuring Liam story affected me and is still affecting me deeply anything proves that the criminals do not want to be such as just sit on that path with no means of Escape to no fault of their own from the moment of their birth.

Story gas we want to expand people's understanding of crime and what you want to do with human eyes human harmfulness and I know that might sound a bit odd but the intent behind is for people to understand that humans as a species are capable of harm and under the right circumstances.

We will all harm and the people that we talk to you as you picked up on their have met lives of persistent or multiple adverse experiences and we know that that creates the conditions for later life on fullness so we want to draw people's attention not to excuse it and not to make it ok, but to help people understand.

So that is a society we can contribute to Justice by addressing those early conditions that harmfulness what most people see and hear is it point of a crime so you'll often hear publicity around the conviction around the sentencing and then that's it.

Nothing happens after that and it's bothered to an eye for a while.

Back to prison for over 50-years and as we've gone through that time we just realised more and more just how it circumstances and events that happened to people which causes different paths in life and I'm quite often we reflected on with that on one side of table the other person sat on the other side of the table, but have circumstances been different for each of us actually the tables turned and we could have taken different pathways in life know you work with the prison radio association and making behind the crime and they bring their expertise as well.

What do you consider when you're deciding who to speak to for the program kerensa important that we hear stories from people who are able to reflect and able to talk about their experiences because not everybody is it so difficult to prison so the prison radio Association are brilliant at identifying people who are good talkers and who are willing and able to talk about their experiences we.

People who have been through this journey, so they've served sentences.

They've been to prison that been released and they've turn the lives around that's what we want to focus in on and so Andrew Wilkie are producer takes the lead on finding suitable candidates like that and also then working with the BBC in the editorial team there to ensure that we taking account of it and their responses to hearing this program because that's really important were trying to humanize human heart that we don't want to do any more harm in the process of doing that so we go through a careful check stand pro where possible victims of consulted and limitations are put in place to ensure that we don't do further harm.

No we haven't this so comment from here to find the program trouble you're getting publicity and a sympathetic platform to criminals because they are criminals to present their stories of their own terms without serious Challenge for any meaning for consideration of the

Day of Dan to innocent victims couple of points from this firstly the address there the victims of crime but I noticed in particularly in case of some of the drug dealers they certainly at the time since I see what they were doing is almost a victimless crime night course anyone who's had experience of this knows that isn't the case.

I think the first thing to think about is why do people reached the stage where they believe that drug use is harmless and if we take the case of sober Nan for example.

He was convicted for drug supply.

He was raised and an environment where as a child drug use was prolific and persistent and for him.

It was normal part of life and that's not ok, but it helps us understand.

How we became desensitized to it, so that's the first thing to understand why people take that view and then the second thing is to.

Help them understand the side effects of drug use of course but also the harm that's been caused through crime to harmfulness more widely and also importantly to go back and help them think about what do you need to do differently and I think one of the things that comes through for most of the people that we talk to is that they begin to get tuned in to the harm.

That's caused Sally Nicholls so troubled by criminals sounding as he puts it the Self Indulgence trump lipstick and oblivious the sun blisters this I'm really glad that made that because I'm imagining that other listeners might also be concerned that there's an aspect of it.

I guess I'm gonna come back to excusing crime giving people an opportunity to platform that perhaps they have internal deserve had throw-ins.

We really grateful to people who do talk to us actually their lies will probably be a bit easier if they didn't and all the people that we talk to you.

I think they are most.

Did by a desire to help people to understand how they've got into that position contrasting really to self glorifying and say if anything they're putting themselves into a position where you people hear things about themselves which they haven't shared more publicly perform and generally they not painting themselves in a more positive like then often telling us things about their background and the history that actually painful for them to talk about buying stand what Nick saying it's important that there's that balanced throughout that is currently describe the victims are also considered, but we really conscious of processive during any part of the acts, but really just going back to that question.

Why did it happen and can we understand that little bit more and you mind if I just come in and out as well, as it if we look at our popular me.

It's full of TV programmes documentaries dramas podcast radio programmes that glorify crime.

So people are clearly interested in harmfulness and

Crime is glorified sickly into a big screen films so what we want to try and do actually is tell the story in a human way that gets behind people's life experiences and not glorify the experience of harm the people that you talk to their stories are being draw Night by you I would say you do it in a way.

That's got a very light touch.

We don't hear too much from you and Oliver's and I wonder if that's part of your style as in your work as a doctor rather than in your work is an interview.

That's really nice poem about you not hear much from us because if you don't hear much from those that means we doing odd jobs right.

It's hard job to illicit things from people and asking questions, but primarily listen and then pick out the critical point so that's something we can hone in on just to go back to a question.

You asked me about her.

Interviews after what we do in real life with people.

They are just a snapshot and we will work with people for long periods of time and we will revisit aspects of them.

I'm really focusing on some of the key things and ask them to explore that in much more detail.

What's lovely for Quentin tyres in our day-to-day jobs.

We don't normally see people have finished them inside the conversations that we're having her often with people in my hope for position, then we see them during their prison sentence.

It's actually cutting it's fine thing for her supposed to do as well Dr Sally till Dan kerensa hocken forensic psychologists and presenters of radio Force behind the crime.

Thank you for joining me on feedback know the BBC published.

It's annual report this week most headlines were dominated by Tim Davies apology for alleged mistreatment of guests on Strictly and former newsreader Hugh Edwards salary, what some may have missed was the director?

Dire warnings about more cuts at the BBC with the budget deficit set at nearly double to 500 million and The Likely loss of around 500 jobs is against this backdrop of cuts that the director and boss of BBC World Service liliane, Landor resigned financial constraints, I'd like to her over sale around 308 bobcats answer loss of a number of language services earlier this month just before she left the corporation.

She gave an impassioned interview to the world service equivalent to feedback over to you which is also made by Whistle Down the company that makes feedback I want to play some of that interview with over to use presenter Rajan data in a minute, but first here's some World Service listeners, and what what means to them.

Hi, my name is Richard kathika.

I live in can I listen to the BBC primarily for information that's everything from listening.

Indian accent factual news to information from science to health to capture this is today in bengaluru, India I'm unable to listen to BBC World Service radio programmes on my Transit because of extremely poor reception areas subscription fee I'm willing to pay this is Marco from Perugia in Italy main fear is that the persistent like a funding might constrain the ability of the station to produce and broadcast high quality program.

I have already noted that the number of programs as racing recently it has become much easier to produce and distribute fake news stories winning the strong BBC World Service the counter this information on all these phones in present and in the future.

It's time to hear what you think of the BBC world service in over to you and it's all change at the top of the BBC World Service

Bus for the past 3 years leaves I'm concerned I was concerned when I handed in my resignation.

I'm still concerned about the operational capability of answer this if additional cuts continue to weaken it.

Do you think the quality then has suffered of the world service content because of those know we've lost some of my resource, but I think you cannot in any way the critical of the quality of our journalism and how fundamental it is to the whole world place in fact with Car Trade you're practically everywhere other than in the areas that we look at as countries or regions of need like Afghanistan for awesome parts of Western east Africa that we cut BBC Arabic radio we cut BBC Persian radio did we do it too quickly?

Yes, I would say I would have taken a little bit more time to move move seamlessly from Radio 2 digital but those cuts in language services that you mention.

Do you think audiences in those parts of the world suffered as a result yes, I think that we answered but we tried to mitigate very quickly so Sudan crisis Gaza crisis.

We need to put BBC Arabic radio back on earth and that's work and this is being very productive and feet to foot but we may not have need it to do that the old the Crown Jewel of the nation let alone of the BBC how much do you think that people actually believe that both here and outside? I personally believe that it is completely exceptional and unique as a service the world service has got to compete against state broadcaster.

Such as a Chinese the Russians who invest billions in.

Like Africa the Middle East and Asia the only thing that we can compete on is a journalism and is the absolute unique nature of adrenaline because we are no one's voice other than the voice of impartiality and objectivity.

What do you think finally an would be the main that you want successor will face resourcing this will be the main challenge is getting the funds that the world service needs.

You can't pause for too long.

You will be declined the world service is useful to the BBC is crucial to the UK suggestibles and think about it reflects on what we've just had his Media commentator that can not welcome to feedback.

I kind of feel like we can hear the frustration in liliane Landor is voice when she talks about the impact of these cards because despite the fact that she

A brave face on it, they are very significant not just the internal job cuts but in a losing BBC Persia and others 12% drop in listing figures these changes to the world service because of these budget constraints on like that.

They are big cuts and the water in a difficult place because it isn't something there's something about the licence fee payers refunding but it isn't really for them.

Everyone is somewhat stuck in the middle.

We know it's a good thing the government know it's a good thing but you do raise the question of why are we paying for it at the same time that the BBC has to face cuts in the in the in the content that we do get just a week after being in power of the Prime Minister said that he would be leaving the BBC licence be alone until 2027 and then an interview on the Today programme Lisa Nandy the new Secretary of State for culture media and sport singled out the importance of the world service and she.

What's that on her first official visit to the BBC in Salford a lot of the content that the BBC producers? I think doesn't get enough attention particularly around children's programming and the BBC world service which has been a absolute light on the hill for people in very dark places in the world and I wanted to remind people of that on my first visit Lisa Nandy there calls it the Lights On The Hill services regularly described as the Jewel In The Crown of the BBC and people talk about the importance to the UK for soft power and their position on the world stage it can do the job that politicians see as so important unless well.

Is it unless there's a new way to funded actually mad for the BBC is that it's income has been matinee restricted by the past government now.

It's reasons for doing that collect to inflation that I wanted to show the top on on public sector organisations.

Start the BBC the scenery award cut some people say that up to a third of its income and what does that mean? It means that it has to do more with less.

There is a limit to what you can spend that thing if you really want the world service to thrive in need to go back to the more traditional been funded, which is a grant from the competition on the world's age from Russia and china as liliane Landor it's almost impossible for the punches.

Is it sort of value pound or dollar or yen is probably significantly higher than those in other organisations in ways that well it has an independent has a quality that people around the world.

Enjoy listening to and respect and even the people that don't respect it now.

It's there and they have to deal with it.

I think we're in.

Information warfare has never been more dangerous and move away from broadcasting to to the internet to social media means that people can create their own worldview where tyrants can push messages much using my iPad in the past about the Challenge for the world series in all these organisations is to adapt to that change and to be a broadcast to create content on the internet and social media podcast to or websites and that's really whether the funding needs to go is to take it a from being a broadcast of it is easy to block easy simple to opt-out of this people to ignore and kind of reinserted back into back into people's feeds Matt Deegan Media analyst thank you very much and of course.

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Thanks the real honesty of living a description of autism and ADHD she's incredibly matter of fact and described in a way that I felt I could understand.

And some sort of theoretical Concepts combine that with the empathy and genuine one for friendship between her Alex and Kate and that is why this is one of the best interviews I've listened to in a very long time with you.

Take everything so literally don't you live yeah, so you could say to leave I'll be 2 minutes and she's counting down 120 seconds that we said 2 minutes.

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Let's go to see the Swift calling from Wirral hello, Geraldine Henry Barton calling from Devon

just hearing myself back OK that was any answers presenter Anita Anand on last weekends programme facing every live broadcasters and nightmare complete technical failure and it kept happening.

This is Clare Sudbury who's calling to Manchester hi Claire beautiful right now with my wife Claire patiently waiting to have her say no Claire Henry Henry

Hello Henry can you hear me Henry no bit tricky? Isn't it really to do a phone without a phone calls coming through ok? So technically it's an outage.

I don't know what man about it.

We're having but we're having an acid and there are people beavering away hitting things and tweaking things of screwdrivers.

This is Anita Anand did a wonderful job on any answers when the phone is wouldn't connect maybe a crowdstrike glitch and summer holidays, I tell you what this problem seems more serious than I can feel for me.

I can't feel there's a hand you back to Radio 4 continuity while people trying to fix the problem Barwell Leicestershire yes again.

It's been a failure at any answers.

This is not the first time that phone lines have failed during the program.

I think this time may have been referred since production moved to Cardiff perhaps.

It's time to return to Broadcasting House in.

Keighley College has a problem time to say goodbye.

That's if you can get through.

Thank you for your patience today.

I'm off next week, but I'll be back after a little break will the unflappable Anita game leak at the program on our by reading my emails and tweets, but finally had to admit defeat It's Tricky to do a phone in with no phone line know any answers is producing Cardiff and Anita was Broadcasting from home in a statement the BBC told we're proud of our across the UK plans which are seen more programs moving out of London the top quality production hubs across the four Nations and we can reassure listeners that this is not affecting or output unfortunately a technical issue occurred during any answers last week.

We're related specifically to the process of putting callers to are the programs which can result to play music or moving to another guest any answers is entirely reliant on corners and so we will have.

Option other than to River to backup material of technical teams are working on the source of the issue and to ensure it's not repeated in the future.

Which is a relief for everyone well.

That's it for this week for me and the team.

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