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Hi welcome to media podcast Iron Man taken on the special right now.

I'm at King's Cross if I had over to the BBC iPod people here.

When are they going to watch the election results tonight? Do you plan to watch the election results at home tonight? I haven't even been honest.

I'll probably know probably and where and what channel is going to watch on the BBC

probably Channel 4.

What's the BBC or Sky News

As YouTubers Birmingham checking on YouTube later, but not like what's Life video at the same time so you see the responses and I'll probably have a look.

So, I've made it to Broadcasting House where election cost have an all-nighter happening on BBC iPlayer it's kinda like watching the regular election coverage with a laugh track so 150 cars fans here in the BBC Radio Theatre what's your name massive TV what were watching home and later on at the BCM special guest and hopefully we'll catch up with Adam Fleming and the man behind it's and bottom so Johnny's here are some used cars guess.

It's father and daughter who got so I'm David so what made you sign up to get some tickets to come out on a Thursday night and I'm a regular.

What's the fan of newscaster completely got into it and you know the election campaign so it's been really nice to the other watch or listen.

You know a daily basis to be honest.

Addictive and you can listen to it.

Will watch it when you know if you're choosing as well.

You know rather than have to be sat down at 10 and watch it and it's really nice to get the Year just to get to speak with you know with the with the journalist then and get some clothes inside B and B to be a bit more lighthearted you rather than the the sound Bites in there a limited amount of time.

We've got on News at Ten or whatever his have you found the night setup famous faces, but it's been really friendly and it's been interesting some different reactions to the announcement be made on TV and if it's been going on.

It's just been very exciting watching the TV with a laughter track.

It's Strange Experiences see everyone's and politics spanner or amuse fan.

Do you feel like you're with kindred spirits?

And also is just like you say it's just a much more informal setting so you know phones are out and I think everyone I've not done this thing for really but you know phones are out and people messing quietly it's not like you you know you in the Royal Albert Hall to listen to some classical musical.

I could imagine it being you know a lot more stuff.

You know the BBC and you have the right accidentally not in something.

Yes, it's very warm sometimes on social media you have to make a judgement of how truthful this is and the comments can be quite helpful in in doing that do you worry about what you to see or do you think you've got a good antenna working out? What's going on a lot of the time with these videos in the comments people are just kind of following the crowd and they're like taking One video as the truth not look at the bigger picture.

They not going.

That in itself can be quite hard because they have people then going up to your voting age already already of voting age.

Just voting for the first thing they see and thinking of this person said it so it must be true going to check the fact or anything.

Thank you fighting and it's brilliant when I get to pop up quite a lot on used cars and also present americast on a rather podcasts and so have people people who have really into the election people have really into news all they're watching people different views reacting to the cover.

Don't really remind you and having a couple of times now that when you're doing any kind of put Costa anything like you always think you'll see them.

They're acting is really good and interesting city and such a big little night with the election live broadcast with a laughter track exactly.

It's like watching my friends awesome.

It's also like the people that they know in the comments.

They know and the stuff they get and the jokes at work and favourites BB1 deepfakes used a lot.

We have intended to see huge amounts of that or am I wrong is it happening on the dark Web site? So I hope I'm qualified answer question maybe because I've spent this election running my undercover Motors so there's a 24 fictional characters based on data and analysis from the national centre for social research on old iPhones social media profiles across all the sites at their private with no friends and their me to interrogate what different people have been pushed and targeted with exactly like you say I think there was this feeling inside me there are some people with suggesting that this selection could be the colour dawn of the deep fake that was going to be you couldn't you won't be able to move for fake people saying stuff that they didn't really say.

Found that a lot of this has been about not loads and loads of deepfakes, but have committed groups of political activist sharing doctors or Faked or sometimes deepfake videos and then doubling down in the comments and saying actually this was real and so they wanted to be real.

I think yes and no so I think a lot of what I've seen when I think about kind of what we have your my conversation has been kind of groups of political activists trying to usually take him at the parties that they don't like that sometimes also too kind of advocate support and what they do.

Is it so I really really want that she was yesterday.

I was sitting there thinking right what's going on his feet and there was a clip WhatsApp and it showed Wes streeting the labour politician.

Don't show him it was an audio clip and it was someone saying I was out and about in his constituency and I went to speak to him and

Suggested that he made some remarks about the Warren God that he never really made unclear whether the clip was actually deepfakes weather is edited or what it was and saucepan.

So this is what happened to me therefore on the exactly so it's kind of sounds like someone's conducted on the street and is talking to him and then you'll see how are the profile than doubling down in the comment to saying yes, yeah.

I was there I saw this happened and it turns out that this is a Network ID investigated about 3 weeks ago doing this exact same thing targeting not disable auditions, but before me kaiser Nigel Farage some of the clips would really obviously satirical, but some of them want a bit like that one about Gaza interesting if you see obviously these accounts coordinator this together and sharing clips and then commenting then you'll see other people not in on this which they would have call perform of Trolling shitposting shitposting Conti father got kind of thing.

Joanna tagging their friends and then other people tagging their friends and that's what that's what I've tended to see it is related context as it spreads it spreads and it's still about what you know.

What is the most emotive? What is a man comes down to the kind of question of algorithms night thinking quite a lot about this because I'm and cover photos when an election happens.

We talk a lot about that political adverts and a campaign in the parties do online that a lot of scene has actually undercover vote his feet has not been the stuff in the parties, but stuff from Random other users sometimes.

It's reliable sometimes.

It's you know interesting opinion, but sometimes is stuff like these fake lips and then also is you know the content is most likely to make you react because that's how the algorithms work and so you then see people or responding to for example someone say something very controversial at the Warren cars and what's going on because they necessarily even want to believe it because they think this is really shocking what's happened couple of weeks ago about the comments and reform seem to be a much stronger.

What is perhaps they are the the Pulse a but they're all the comments and the younger voters or kids are on tiktok field are much bigger party than they are is that real or are they generated comments that is something that I've had so many people get in touch with me about and so I looked into it, but or not because I wanted to figure out lots of people were these profiles that were repeatedly sharing support for reform.uk of being.so automated accounts fake account we sometimes.

We use that just mean fake account, but it did you and they weren't making allegations that any other parties and also wasn't the level of comments.

I want any comments about the other parties in the same way.

I looked into it a lot of these people are real people at the got back to me.

There was a guy called Martin who for example his username something that uses 7373 I have a picture all the things.

I think maybe he was a fake account but he wasn't any chatting to me.

I'm in London and politicians is really tired of the system and he wants change, but there were other profiles.

I track down that were suspect and that weren't able to kind of Proof they were that were exhibiting to the behaviours we expect from suspect accounts I spoke to her for me care about this and they told me that while there's been lots of organic support online and have been so happy about that bears are in the numbers as well that they've been in touch with social media companies about some fake accounts that were doing this and the social media companies did remove some of those suspected cancer spot it now who is actually behind the Russian influence of the everyone always says everything I say is GPT box for the sort of semi Alive so you can have conversations and they seem more you're clever with the prompts to the tweets.

Yeah sometimes get them to admit what they are but how how widespread that.

Like you say there's this kind of reaction when people either.

It's almost like there's only two options is either not not a fake account or if it is a fake and it has to be someone singing the basement in Russia when we actually talk through the different possibilities.

There's all kinds of things that could be going on here it can be a group of little supporter to running a bunch of fake accounts it could be a foreign interference operation been run by group of people it could be activist running a council that again.

I haven't seen any evidence so far.

That's necessary happened here or it could be a group of people who are trying to undermine a party by making it seem like they're robots.

So you cut all of these layers and that's what's so difficult is there's only so much information that even with mandip Gill Motors I'm actually trying to interrogate these kind of subjective social media world.

There's only so much information available to us and we're align often on the social media companies or on intelligence sources other people too kind of filling the gaps a little bit on my main takeaways.

I think from this election so far and I'm sure you know they'll be lots more that comes out about.

Interference and so on is it some of the most effective attempts? I've seen to distort the on my conversation have come from real groups of political activist and sometimes.

I think people only sit up and pay attention when it's the Russians all it's actually does it matter any less if it's people here doing it, but the impact on voters is the same.

I think that something that we should all be thinking about and talking about particularly like the other elections happening selections haven't answered the question of what impact has social media has on the election is a really difficult one you can't separate it from everything else is the unexpected AI Hits volume one of the things I do think it's fine and outlet for the British sense of humour and in some ways.

That's been a positive thing.

It's been like does it teach people actually this is the sort out? What is it Media literacy to see this clip if you actually do look at the comments.

You know I've had some younger people get in touch with me saying I'm actually finding it quite hard to separate.

What's your faults because I know kind of think maybe.

Is a ironing makes it difficult but the plus side of that is that everyone is quite aware of this stuff then looking out for it as a advances it does become harder to fix a file.

I was saying to someone the other day that I think another one takeaways is like it's not a i.

It's us like we like to project onto like a big bad thing and say it's going to be either it's going to be the problem but actually I just become another kind of another weapon in the Arsenal of people who decide they want to mislead others and sometimes it can be used for parody and satire and a lot of the time.

That's been really funny, but other times it can go too far and that's when you get into the situation of just struggling to figure out.

What's true or not and I think that the other thing I just think it's really important to talk about is it kinda like the role of the algorithms and all of this stuff like that.

What is really different to me compared to 2019 is that people can be recommended stuff from people that they don't know or they never followed are encountered in a way that kind of wasn't happening back in 2019.

That's because I've had tiktok work.

Follow our social networks to algorithmic solution because it means that sometimes it's spot on other times it can be misleading regret it and that that's really kind of changed.

I think certainly look at them and then speak into actual voters about this stuff.

That's particularly.

I think some younger people consume the election like a lot of random stuff popping up and that you say that sense of where the trust and also like can I run to the comments and figure out what people think what's going on here? It's just become quite hard to work out like what we can trust and what we can't and I think the other final thing.

I just say is that you know a lot of this is about a lot of the genus holding the big social media companies to account that it's election night.

There are politicians being elected who can I have no influence on our country but actually the impact of social media companies is huge and they're not as transparent and accountable.

I'm in a lot of the bad stuff you seen the selection was bad stuff happening long before the election campaign so it sometimes feels like they all set up and the election happening, but maybe they could have done something before they would say they've done those and then to people online people keep tabs on you on America's every week and is there a new series on the way to yes, so I'm doing a new life.

It's back to America and the new series of why do you hate me USA which will be out in the autumn? Thank you very much.

Thank you so much.

It's just do Friday morning we getting to the to the Good Bit Adam Fleming and Sam Bonnin join us now had a busy busy time election live a great evening so good so good because it is the best of live television live.

Podcasting and doing a theatre show and hanging out with like-minded people who are interested in what you're interested in which is politics and the election can I just do what the best part is though play the audience react to certain moments with lyrics the gasps weather is the chairs but actually the thing that I will remember forever is just the song what is even is the noise they make when a politician gives a very politician the answer that yeah, and it just makes me think the public see through all the old tricks and old-old political tropes now and politicians are going to have to adapt to that and hopefully the politicians who come on the stage tonight and been exposed to that will make think I've got to be more authentic and less robotic and not just stick to these like copy and paste party lines David Lammy on the stage and enjoy yourself.

I mean he enjoyed himself more the last time.

Newscast because we did a tribute to carpool karaoke with James Corden which is ending that week and so we got him in a car with me and we sang Rolling in the Deep by Adele because he's a form of course so I think maybe even more fun last time you was on news cast but yeah, he seems to be enjoying himself and even didn't you say this is the best election night space so Adam is the newscast election cost at the moment, but what is it you looking to podcast but Wednesday weather live stream.

All day that was on iPlayer we've got social activity.

We've got live TV activity.

Is it a podcast or are you the deaf to of a BBC News staff to be used to be like zona.ru the spin-off of BBC News I don't know I think I think of it more ass.

The podcast is still the core thing that we do and that's what people want from us, but with us, but this is a spin-off of ourselves, so everything that we do is still has the same which is divide that we started in brexitcast which is really good BBC journalists who are part of an extended family just sharing their knowledge in a way that bit more chilled out but also probably a bit more detailed than we would normally do on the traditional news outlets and what we've done is apply that in more places in more ways of all this stuff is Sam Bonham do you agree? I mean I feel like a little bit what we doing tonight one of the reasons that we doing it is so that we can be at the centre of BBC News cover because actually like this always put together tonight actually put us on telly and it pisses on the radio in a way that actually is a podcast we wouldn't be part of this kind of like wild BBC News

Is happening tonight and tomorrow and over the weekend so actually like the stream yesterday and the all-nighter tonight.

Just kind of like puts puts us right there front-and-center, and I think one of the things.

I've always thought about newscasters like from outside of the BBC like if you talk to other podcasters like with a kind of like the big BBC thing right with this kind of like saying that people know is there in the Anita if we if we in the building with still whippersnappers.

We still the little the little guys that kind of like you know trying to be noticed and trying to do their thing and that kind of you know tonight cos right the centre of what he's doing and then all the other stuff like you know why you a podcast all over as cannot who cares.

We just really like a brand products for a thing and will just do creative stuff and fun tell stories in a way that is the current make sense.

How do you insert yourself into the machine because other things that streaming tonight? You've got to the main big election show also ready for five live combo get back in vision on iPlayer to local regional Nations doing stuff.

Is it a battle for guests and Resources or is it one big happy BBC family definitely one big happy family life few things I would say based on what you said started off saying there.

Is there the BBC is always had like a range of offerings for things so there's always something for you and or there's a combination of things that you can make your own combination of things and watch this and listen to better than supplement with that and then read this so it's just always been the case the BBC's turned out like it's content and lots of different flavours.

It's just that there's more flavours now and it's more platforms at which you can savour the flavours the way it works the BBC is if you can.

For some content and some value to other people so the reason they're playing clips of Us on the BBC One Laura and Clive show is and who was the real at the town square for the night because I want to see your BBC news that you guys are like the time square because in that studio is very classic and it's very elite we as we are the actual voice of the voters and but we're not in like a all users some random people let's do fox Pops with limited value.

They're actually hyper engage people who all have interesting political stories and are interested in so no one's going to sit there and so boring they're all the same.

I don't understand it.

These are good people to get on the BBC One programme and that's why Radio 4 on coming to us because we had good people who represented the real outside world which having worked on these big election programs.

It's sometimes quite hard to reflect ordinary people make wood good at me.

Look at the pictures were getting no.

Keir starmer going to his own and all the activist there grey.

That's not the real world.

That is that's that's real and is Lively but it's still the political elite and so we are we doing something to her colleagues make better programmes with our content to your question about that like not much of what we doing.

What is going out as a podcast we will do a 20-minute 25-minute podcast later this morning, but I actually with honey not thinking about it in in those terms.

It's just a kind of product because of BBC and BBC News I saw earlier you had the DJ he was in in the back Tim Davie jonathan.com BBC News do you think about your carnival in the BBC Radio Theatre I didn't charge them because I was too busy actually like talking and other people.

I'm watching the election results.

I mean it's great.

Play Turn Up that's like a vote of confidence in it and enjoying themselves with made these tiny little goody bags and I handed over his cough branded toothbrush to the DC he said it was the most unusual gifts are given in the chair.

So make sure he's been here for quite a long time and had a very quick chat with him and he was he was loving it couldn't quite but you can quite believe it because it was so different what the weather classic BBC R4 you expect on a night is it something in the back of your mind where they come from the inside of my head about 6 months ago way before kind of elections call we talked about it.

It was both our heads.

You know this is exactly quiet on time because we knew the being election this year or maybe in January next year and so we did start thinking about it quite a long time ago and also to put on like this does take quite a lot of time and resources and planning and like for example making sure that you can book the theatre.

Also just to give you an idea that goes into making this so you'll notice in the actual Radio Theatre the floor is raped.

It's on a slope because normally Theatre seating and so has to go in a slopes of the everyone can see so that means it for the sofas that we put in place that the sofas they had to build the little like wedge shapes to put the sofas on otherwise the sofas would like slide down the hill and that sort of level of attention to detail which no one will ever see your ever notice, but someone had to notice and do to lose your guests in and

Ok, I've got a message from one of the back on in 10 minutes and that was sent 8 mins ago and someone to come again as well actually literally drag me away lovely to see you and good luck for the next 4 1/2 hours is that all thank you very much time catch up on some sleep and will be back somewhere else after the break.

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Unlimited UK only 20% that terms of service morning and I'm at the top of the news UK Building and there's a special live event another podcast live event this time for times radio how to win an election podcast hosted by Matt Chorley authority what I thought I'd catch up with some people decide to spend their morning here at the X 12ml why have you decided to come out on a on a Friday morning to this event? Are you times radio listen to a podcast listening? What's on your what's on your apple shows to you to try and get through each week.

Electoral this 17th newsagents everyday or just listen to All I listen to Motherwell on my feed so when I come up I listen to them and what were you watching lost to listen to the headlines in the last week on the newspaper, but I do love the radio.

It is interesting about of brands and how that stretches what the radio station forecast for the newspaper does this one so I enjoy your the podcast as ever freedom so you don't have the ridiculous headlines attached to me articles that are relevant.

So yeah, that is good as a challenge.

It's not an echo chamber.

With George what have you decided to come along the times on the Friday morning, so I just interested understanding of the politics news while labour cost winning the US election like what was a reason behind the Conservatives doing so badly this time round as understanding the thoughts like professionals in this field by consumption like where did you what you watching the election on last night on the TV and 11:30 the results come in and it's consumption is how much social media in my podcast in there? What's what what goes into your head? I guess I look at some music by The Time my dad's remember so I read a bit busy as an account and are you just watching videos you looking to comments on tiktok as well.

Just a video to be fair.

I don't look at it.

It's too much I guess they just pretend.

I'm here with Hannah who is on the top of the Times building so lovely view isn't it amazing so why did you decide to come along after the election hear about the election because we listen to the radio show me listen to listen to have to win election and B love him actually so that's good.

Did you watch election last night as well, and what are we watching sometimes already on lots of different sources to maybe pass you wouldn't have what is what sort of media consumption.

How do you get all your news now days or the BBC website mainly this morning on the train on the way home?

On the BBC website and just workouts that was easiest way to see it and what's your podcast consumption like I used to listen to Adam Fleming on the move.

I'm here to Buckland director of strategy and operations at news broadcasting quite busy night for the X team and the broadcasting team you please we've had gone.

I mean obviously an Unbelievable night in politics, but you know for the teams behind the scenes trying to stitch together all those different feeds coming in from all the different council and the country operating multiple channels hear some Bright smart came up with the idea of live video streaming times radio for the first time so the technical complexity of what we were trying to do talk radio feeds and you've got the the Times feed but yeah, we really proud of you off tonight and I think you know it's a crowded market place right.

There's a lot of fantastic news providers.

I mean just flicking around the TV broadcast.

No one phoned in last night, but I think we provide something that was unique and distinctive analysis that you expect from the Times bloated.

Just will ring around the news reporting that all as well, so we really pleased that sort of TV style broadcast happening in the UK which is Which is huge what time's radio big crush on bring the election station at this year has that works times as a crowded market right and uniquely times has been able to own that story you know there are many other excellent spirit radio stations in this country, but most of them have to flip between use and other topics from time to time so you know and I'll definitely worked will sort of Take That is the US election now, but I think the positions can revolve now into single Stormer does but also this fascinating Tory leadership race as well.

Out now hopefully they'll do it a good podcast later to the enemy 25live look might go to the blessing fantastic servants of the time some of x radio you know we wish you the best of luck at BBC and we just feel that he was here for the election.

We do the basically to do lots of clapping and cheering away.

So, I'll do so I'm with Polly Peter and Daniel's just come off stage absolutely I've really really enjoyed doing it and there's a chance.

It's interesting to me the audience so one of the things about our podcast is we do it live actually on the radio and I mean that give that a certain quality of sort of immediacy and as well as the normal podcast qualities of intimacy.

So this was an extra bit of live and it was quite.

Why do you say yes to do in the podcast in the first place very good question I think it was because I'm an admirer of Matt I think he's great.

I think he just drive the thing Ali Baba's long great speed and whenever we get boring and repetitive you just shut up moves on but I'm in being with.

Holly and Danny is just you don't you couldn't wish for better because you are so kind and respectful and they never take the piss out of you and I always listen to what you saying comment on it so intelligent just wonderful dream team surprise with a response from listeners absolutely the best because you know they make up versions of the music and sending photos and write poems and I like this because it goes into like deep political Theory dentist approaching books and Peter's telling political history from his 3000 years on the planet can take me for the Labour Party and then suddenly would doing something totally silly like arguing about tyres or kiss them was a busy problem and I think that there is very few products that have that lightness because you know one of the problems with politicians.

Take myself too seriously and these guys don't popular top of the charts at the moment.

Why does politics work in the cost format for Greater depth and you could give a news clips and we are catering to that think people want to have a combination of discourse about the big issues that are going on of political history and a bit more a bit more depth and so I think that's why they've work because people are you know people people go into politics people go into politics.

I think to get such of addicted to it.

It's a very is an extraordinary and I think it probably has the same people listen to programs and then so you know that's why I probably are so popular for me anyway the thing that I really don't worry about it is just the ability.

To go into greater depth and to say and think things allowed that you just can't do normal Media Straight Outta your mouth and before you know where you are in the UK viral and accused of fat shaming or whatever it is and you know you mean no offence to be kind and generous towards other people using in a podcast always talking about friends in private around the dinner table before you know where you are.

You reminded yourself if there's a huge audience you spend a lot of time and BBC is it the same as it has been over last 2025 years or has that changed at all do the TV here on election? I know I think it's broadly similar even down to the BBC asking the same questions are remembering 1997.

They were saying why?

Didn't say very much last night on never change.

Is it hard to juggle the demands for or the media outlets as that got a 8 other things to do with the main thing is to make sure you are available live and I had a problem with finding time to sleep.

I've managed to couple of hours or overnight, but it's difficult to fit all these in the end.

I was supposed to be Channel 4 it fell to the floor.

I couldn't do that and do the various things and BBC could add results to the time and they wanted to say yes, it's a bit of a typical jobs on that does This podcast end now the election has finished or are you still pushing on? What's the plan?

Right, what that's it for the media podcast that it's been a busy 24-hours.

I think what's really interesting is both the X and newscast the involvement of l a podcast in such a personal medium be able to reflect that on such a important part of the content story covering the election.

I think it's really important chatting to the list you really understand that connection that audiences have I think sometimes with a broadcast platforms perhaps we don't think about them as much.

I don't know what it is about your having people in your ears talking to you for maybe an hour or two or weak at the difference that connection anyway.

Thanks to everyone at times and UK following you're saying and also to everybody at the BBC

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