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podcast growth continues, but which format can make it onto TV and what is wrong with the missing for growing a mainstream audience plus Robin at return to the Telegraph why the Racing Post is on Radio 4 and in the media quiz replay which person is this about that sort of come on this edition of the media podcast in the news this week Gillian a Soldiers Return to Australia for the first time in over 14 years after pleading guilty to conspiring to obtain Undisclosed classified defence documents which was reported on by the Guardian other publication leaks found agreed to the US charge having effectively services term in the UK in Belmarsh prison the UK broadcasters came to the official launch of freely with the BBC Tim Davie ITV Carolyn McCall and Channel 4 Alex and making impassioned speeches for free access to high-quality television Davy told

If you want to keep a society together, it's having free access to the services where prominence is not about the person who can pay the biggest check and labour has committed to retaining tax relief for the next week in the street and digital also expressed Concern at the plate of freelancers this year saying I would like to see at the end of the little maybe 10 years of labour if you were coming to government that you would have fewer people relying on such an insecure work pattern for the next decade and beyond we were back broadcast magazine inside editor Rebecca Cooney hello for the next decade and beyond my taken by hot Shots emerging Talent scheme which is like a brilliant thing to do there is so much talent in the TV industry and thinking why can't I do more?

Do you have a crisis? I mean that was one of them that has exact same birthday as me know ok rub it in what you've done with your life, but now it is like it is just in between the outside like jealousy and existential crisis and there's anybody make up for history written by chance u p t I don't know when is it? When is it out so it's Saturday in the magazine and online brokers now.co.uk next Rebecca American comedian, podcast debut That's Entertainment producer rina.org hello hi welcome.

Thank you for joining us before we started.

I've apologise for anything.

I said I've got no filter excellent.

That's exactly what we want you to be over the years that project The Big Breakfast Revival

The leaders debates cut the mustard from an entertainment producers standpoints watching it last night and is that noise in the garden there a cut at the bottom of the garden and there must have been attracted by that it was unbelievable done a bit more with it and you would probably get like an uprising would happen on the night and I'm watching the election.

Yes yep, I've watched bits of them and distracted by the noise going on the background, but not whether or not Rishi Sunak said the word word I felt he was so on the defensive yesterday and

Looks like really hysterical.

I was just like and he just kept jumping in and then case I was doing that Circus I was doing that really passive-aggressive thing of going if you just let me stop being hysterical and anybody's got anything different or is having a good election so not on Broadcast linear TV no.

I am I'm trying to convince myself.

I'm young stuff on online.

Just scrolling through Instagram and stuff and the person that has caught my attention his money to our he's obviously really great is satirical comedian, and I find that his little videos.

Just really grab made a really fun and they put 7 lemons but also just just really funny and he's got a Radio 4 Series and when I was.

I just thought if telephone had any money this would have absolutely been a smash hit on Channel 4 and you can when you listen to it.

It's really funny you can almost see it.

You can see the sketches and he does all these funny voices and you think this would be a brilliant bit of election coverage and like fresh as well, but unfortunately it's on Radio 4 now.

It's probably not reached the order it needs it on the radio.

Obviously.

I thought I saw labour today put a clip on their Twitter that's LBC clip, but they've sorted animated witch with someone like you quite a good comparative like if somebody to come round your house and was trying to fix your bathroom and I'm still there for months later.

I'm staying up my phone was late to go and get someone else to do your PC a normal listener talking about that and using that for their for their marketing.

14 years and the chief content officer of operations Lucas green, what he's been saying it was there are people on YouTube just and making to quite a professional standard right.

We're not that somebody in their bed talking to the laptop or into the phone.

They are making a lot of TV shows that we would recognise and explain the saying actually some of these are you know even use branding so it's not even just be stored in the form out or are you using something? That's a bit like it.

It's kind of very very similar.

I just thought was such an interesting phenomenon, but I'm having as he said it would be ideas of this.

I want a Saturday I want to have a conversation because it is that kind of weird thing of where sort of you.

No stop people doing at home is professionalising is becoming more.

More people are moving to YouTube to get a lot of their content so you know where it wouldn't have been a threat 10-15 years ago.

It's just been like this guys doing it now is probably wouldn't have a conversation about ok.

What's acceptable what's not what's possible most people can't really that.

Can I buy firewood copyright law and things done that for saying that these people so they know what they're doing and but they're not sort of get a ball from a legal perspective and they look bad if they had the Taxes people and he's right as me and you know what I can't think it feels a bit like you know like the old tv.

Dinosaur was saying that's not fair because the thing is the that I think that there was sidemen inside and that was it was a rip-off a big brother right so actually sidemen and The Chase ITV Studios has been really smart.

Could I see that works with side men to do sidemen does The Chase so they kind of gone ok? Come in and out of our branding now.

We've got you rather than you getting out.

So yeah, there is something there about those that I think it's really reflective the industry at the minute.

Is that it's this new wave and actually what do we do? We fight them or do embrace it so Simon inside for example wasn't that wasn't publicised in this big trials or anything probably did online but I get I'm not the market but I know that my brother sister-in-law and all of them would have watched it.

It was very basic very copycat elements.

They have the the chicken heads in the boxes from I'm the shopping list from Big Brother they had different show you know where you're basically if you choose to have a shower.

You lose 500 quid you can buy a bed for 25 grand and

The price for their figures were insane and they got viewing figures.

I think they're fine.

I was like 6.6 million things come from Mr beast of the ultimate person at doing all these things and the ugly he's crossed crossed side because he has a new Amazon show coming out called beast games you seen this I've seen that he has hundreds of interviews on YouTube but would still like to take Amazon's money or maybe resources to do because like he's one of his videos the other day was a rip-off of Total Wipeout you did a massive obstacle course that was knocking someone off a swing and stuff, but it got like 150 million views, so I think you know he is someone that is very clever really knows the market and it is one of those that if we don't start getting in with these people and to be honest.

1015 years ago we ignored them when actually that's when we should have been going or do you know what why don't we work with you your way? I'm not trying to confirm that the old TV so why do I need you which Costa some TV does not have an answer for does it make you some things differently about how you make the elections are very expensive Lee done, but they probably come in from a slightly different Direction are we stopped we sort of following and how things have always been done when we make shows yes, and I feel really strong about in the you know I worked at a show probably like 5 years ago and it was a big old beast one of the shows that you will know singing competition.

And I thought you know what I'll just do it to see what it's like, but it was so regiment to the point where even changing the colour of the graphics from Blue for boys and pink for about a week and please can we just do like green and orange or something different because blue and pink don't really go anymore.

You know there's a whole all of gen Z who are you know whatever they want to be in good for them and it doesn't apply to people and I do think that TV basically at the minute and this terrifies me young kids kids that family viewing slot and then basically from Howard's A40 up.

Maybe 45 all the channels or networks or Indies that are taking that on or

That's where the money is some people know that the audience audience will turn up let's program for them reshuffle panic redundancies merging everything so ITV Studios and now thinking right.

We need to go into digital but what are they actually doing so yes, I just think it's a wave that maybe we need a whole load of young fresh people to tell us actually do you know what you've been doing it this way for 50 years switch it up now and then we'll be done at different way for the next time.

I make a broadcast covers acquisitions TV loves getting a show from a different market and importing it for the UK exporter get should they be important that YouTubers ideas rather than worrying about copying the old ones you like earlier?

Difficult for the big meteor coming to see the little pocket little YouTuber but actually the YouTubers hey banijay stole my idea.

That's not going to play What about AJ also I think it is if they can talk a lot of partnership.

We got a digital Awards coming out next next week where there are a lot of partnerships that are working TV is starting to do this but it slower and it's not hitting the kind of audience markers that that the TV is used to and isn't saying anymore.

Where is the YouTubers are hitting these massive audiences researchers medicine at the headlines include 30% of the population hearing a podcast in the last week.

This is UK data which is up 5% on the Year also behind the top 25 podcasts Rebecca that shows a pretty popular to they reach a large number of podcast listeners.

Actually young people listening to me quite a lot.

I was kind of I wasn't sure if that was you know if I was kind of edging myself into a surprise because I love a good podcast but it's brilliant that kind of young people into podcasting as well and listen to podcasts and those top 25 collectively they get to half of UK podcast listeners, so if you want to reach podcast listeners into 25 of those it's quite a long tail with thousands of smaller podcasts reaching the last 25% So you can get down and get to the 50 Cent with the top 25 top 300 that you're only reach the top 75% of UK listeners, which means that huge long.

Tell if you want one of each people is this a pump for advertisers you want to use podcast That mass audience.

Want to get more bang for the buck at the moment because you know when money is tight they cut their advertising budgets of the gonna spend it.

They wanted to go further and it does mean that gets more difficult for broadcasters to try and sort of you make with my there is less.

Just less.

I'm less money around for people looking at those are the top 25 podcasts and the genre as you can see so as a producer anything missing from there that you think podcasting to jump on or or vice versa anything that tell you should Nick from successful podcasts things this diary of a CEO which I think is actually brilliant and should be turned into a TV as well.

Yeah, but I think it's fantastic because it really covers a broad range of subjects and not just you know business people, but just everything and I can see why it appeals to was it was it women that it appears to.

Because you know you've got someone talking about the struggle of parenthood, but then also how to lose your mum and stuff like that, so it's really broad and I think they market as well as well form interview on telly.

You know I've done a lot of it does feel like once you've seen it.

They've got one funny story, but that's it, but actually things like you know this is your life back in the day where they really big Dave that is that is a thing that I actually think would be great on screen again now is where you take someone like diary of a see you and you really really go for it.

So I think that could be turned on the screen haven't listened to that Peter Crouch podcast anything that is very funny and we'll probably be turned into into something as well.

I think this like you know there's off menu with Ed gamble and James Acaster which has been going on for quite a while on and no they've done tools and stuff, but I'm surprised nothing has been done that Billy you know they've had loads of their own clothes and stuff that they're not going to do anything but I just don't know I wonder whether it is like some kind of you know it seems like everything is about strategy and gameplay in sterling minutes.

I wonder if there's like some kind of Thriller murder mystery type thing that's missing from there to follow the joke of the rest of politics things you can get someone from one side one the other and just kind of replicate it for every topic a bit more adventurous with some themes.

I think there are the Ventures ones out that the top ones the big companies to keep doing well.

Let's just do another the rest.

It's actually That paying off.

Entertainment I wouldn't listen to that was a stupid then.

That's not very much very much.

So it's in the same way as it is not a lot of kind of fictional stuff in here, but I know that they do have a lot of things podcast do have had a bit of a cult Following but yes certainly not getting that kind of really broad.

Tell me about one the other day that actually did sound good which was I knew something was wrong and then you and then it was like what was wrong.

But this is what I mean about.

I need to know when was kind of Benji ones cos sometimes and I'm probably out for this sometimes.

I find me a podcast that they can be a bit rambly and and it's

To me as a producer that when I listen to them I might well, I typed that and then because you don't have cameras by that you all the time and you don't have a big audience there.

You do relax and you do you are a lot more on field which is great, but just a little bit please.

I'm saying thank you a lot more that podcasts and should they get into that space do you think TV skills a valid for the costs? Please? Give me a job and like I've done and 7th but I know how to craft a story.

I know what makes a good contributor how to form an interview all of the editing.

How it's Cheadle pacing all of that so I do think there's a whole raft of TV people out of work at the minute.

I do you think that that is something that they could do something is reflected in the fact if you look at it that you've kind of got no such thing as a Fish by spin-off.

You got any kind of just have a TV on the other way, but you know the Colour and the newsagents following from before so I think there is there is definitely a little bit of cross-pollination going on isn't that payment and 44mm exacts of come together to launch and entertainment can pickled Studios Mortimer Fiona lamptey Amber Taylor and Vinnie shergill.

What do have this guy get this Netflix background? So it has been commissioned for the not all on the creative mind I think what is quite interesting so I kind of has that's all.

Producer background so she's kind of creative skills and their around kind of marketing around and it feels like it's gonna try to be quite holistic and sort of the full package effectively cos obviously often within these what you get is a bunch of creative business.

Let's let you know try and make it work and they've got the creative stuff now, but actually don't necessarily know about the marketing and the other things I think it's really interesting that you've got this group of people coming together who kind of have this sorted business overview of how it's going to work.

So I think you're really quite full service Irina they say is 14 a new path entertainment our collective expertise in storytelling front across development production marketing and distribution and excited to bring my entertainment experience to our partners bulshit by the new stories with fresh new voices great.

I bet they're first commit.

The talent has been on TV for 20 years.

Hopefully not but when I saw this story.

I did think I literally gave them a round of applause.

Just sat in my garden.

Why was read it because it was for women women running a company hallelujah.

I am exact producer at the minute.

I feel like I'm literally banging the Drum say where are all the women wear the wall because you are just in a room of men all the time all the time and you know whilst it is changing its slow.

Where is the saying that was brilliant a real step forward? I just thought that they that they are the picture of the four is the four and that there's not a whole lot of men in those pictures.

They were just like proper black and white very fierce looking beauty images of the hottest album.

Like it was really something I was all for it.

I was like please you look great and if you really deliver that would be amazing and I do have some sympathy with the kind of the past like when you take a friend of mine.

We got a job on indeed and she sent me the quote on the press release what do you think about it? And she was like you know I'm delighted to be joining the Cabinets at 619 time so what else do you like a good time to be like this? It's brave.

This is something that I kind of one of my colleagues.

Ali Khan is currently working on a person who don't mind at the moment.

Can we have seen a few Indies launching and it is a difficult time as in this massive commissioning slow down in these are quietly or not.

Under it is a really difficult market, but there are indeed setting up and I think most of them are Indies that have a big name.

They have all they have like one of the big super Indies behind there's a lot of money to buy them have this kind of Netflix pedigree that they can go look with an Netflix's that's what I wonder whether they've already got a slave ideas that with with the hole Netflix back and Netflix to launch their production company 100-percent because like I know a few people who worked within the networks and stuff and now they've set up there on indeed and they've just got a well-rounded picture of what the business actually is looking for because you are commissioners and they tell you what they want but actually it's all rubbish.

So not sure if they want it with you.

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They employ journalist.

Just go away and looking at companies where you know their annual accounts came out and everyone was going.

Oh, yeah.

It's a really interesting sorry.

I think it he does highlight the differences in culture in journalism between the UK and America and it may not be the most flattering for picture for UK jet lesson, so I sent you the issue was the Telegraph paying for the disc that had the the files on for the expenses together.

So they said they say the money was actually to cover the legal fees of the person that gave him the this on the show before I mean will Louis told the truth to his staff.

They did not like it and did not like hearing it from a Brit they have managed to an effect torpedo Rob's position and so will is not looking that's good where he is.

Yes, and I mean you do hear stories from in I got friends instead of national and

Some of the things that conversations have gone or something that said I mean just passed master in HR in that but it's a deadline we are all think a bit in love with this idea of know but we can hack it and it's difficult and we do get stressed and then we get up and we told her it was brilliant afterwards but and there is something that's probably not very healthy way to run an injury actually at the same time.

Yeah, I think the probably is a practicalities the British industry sometimes that have them Americans relax, but obviously that has come out of this looking great but his position in the in the industry has been accelerated.

They thought that would be a great addition to that paper.

Do you think he's got somebody chances here in the UK now? I'll probably get his own channel probably look at Piers Morgan online but he's

So yeah, it's probably elevated probably brought his name two more people detention and then they'll be a big fight from now is I'll probably give up.

Yeah, probably probably Monday they were ending their daily racing tips which have been a staple since.

It's inception modernising Today programme running order has seen off many editor the audience do not like change.

How this one been received.

I mean, what are the Racing Post a very saddened to buy it so basically.

I think it so I didn't know this was a thing so they have three daily racing tips that needs that and it's quite surprised by that but then you know they've done it for 47 years or something like that.

I thought the way that I did it was.

Brought the news was quite good in that.

They didn't make a big song and dance about it before the first one.

They wait till the end of when do you know what we missed it out, but because it's gone and just moved on but good program.

I have lots of they shouldn't have been doing is an iconic because the racing Post Racing was well.

This is closest in this is like a flutter and they promise out of touch.

It does feel like you know probably probably also I don't think they were that good and I said I'm not an expert in racing form or anything like that, but I do remember that being a lot of storage where they would sort of go.

Oh, yes, we all going on yesterday, but that shouldn't be news guys.

If he's a good it's like that should be consistent or I think there was a memorable one where I like the horse just refuse to be the starting.

Don't think they would that useful it just felt like a little bit of a ritual like like that a bit in a church.

That's a really understand you just thought for the day be next for the XX on a dog for years ago at making that secular didn't say yes, I quite like thought for the day so whenever I'm having a hard time my mum rings me up with her thought for the day on which is very sweet and also yeah, so I think it's actually I think the religious element like I think it's really interesting and sometimes interesting places and obviously had a bit of a big Sandra few years ago.

I used to be like that.

They will sort of start talking about thing in the news and then go and I thought you know that's a bit like obviously word in the briefing document for the gone.

Please.

Don't do that so I think that you do get some interesting things that but I think I open up make it secular of course excellent.

Is there a place for in a big breakfast programme or is it breakfast programme if you haven't already got this about me is I do think things need to be mixed up a little bit so whilst this has been running for 47 years and stuff including thought of the day.

You know I'll probably get shot down.

I just think we have to start mixing these things up so make it secular change it if you want but change switch it up again then in a year's time and then that way it will keep running if you keep it the same you know who will listen to it that pool of people that do listen to pair all the parents of wolf Shrek and the showgirl eventually just go and this is why podcasts are on the rise because people are not listening to you know radio as much and all of this stuff, but I do going back to the racing tips.

I just think you don't mind and loved horses he did it really do but

It is the gambling element.

How did how did they get away with it for that one used to be a problem? It's just gradually became a problem but you know and then you've got the animal rights.

You've got all of this noise around it.

So you know they are bringing it back to only doing it for big occasion switch.

You know the whole country does get behind regardless of spots on the right stuff and is but I think it is a good move and so switching up the thought of the day as well.

I think would be there is a danger that the program get listen to buy journalist write.

Do you get the politicians on and then Genesis 2 and then they have the story for the lunchtime bulletin which is this and there is a bit of a danger that it becomes a bit inward looking into the industry.

It was the place if you wanted that for quite a long time where you can do what you like because I'm not going anywhere else where is now?

Radio 5 live or other podcasts you can't just keep the format because it's always been there you actually going to keep listeners and therefore you haven't had to really face that before that's a good thing to format time for the movie quiz this week.

We're playing the format which person is this about after exhausting all of our creative efforts on this week's Ofcom rom-com.

We're back to more traditional fair where I will tell you a story from the week and you just got to tell me the person at the centre of it so buzzing with your names if you know the answer Rebecca you will say I'm really will say let's play which button is this all about the one who will be stretching the definition of breakfast to breaking points.

And his breakfast show is being extended of the summer till 11 a.m.

Which again I'm behind you brunch.

Why not have brunch radio shouldn't just be breakfast and do you know what he's very good? He's very funny the other DJs at the minute.

They having a bit of a reshuffle and they're finding their voice also.

I think a lot lies on Greg I was listen to him the other day in the gym and he did they did the Neanderthal remix of sia's chandelier, am I out loud for about 4 minutes.

Just really laughed as I was doing I'm looking at me, but I like you.

Will be like in our and I've got a great deal out of this.

It's right to switch things up for the summer.

Yeah, I think so like if you have got to give you a younger audience if you know you are talking to people who might be able to go holidays.

That's the thing off University and you know sleeping in between the BBC and McDonald's breakfast at hoovers said this week that PR emails are driving him nuts Rebecca and not me.

I have not said that I was asked to speak at a conference on it was about and and the do's and don'ts and it was a really politely scathing email.

Just being like actually piazza sending round absolutely nonsense my inbox is full of absolute crap.

You know I don't need this.

You've got a point that there is a little bit of a spray and pray attitude and Mum I certainly get a lot of and I will say like I think he doesn't like there are brilliant penis in the world and I think it's actually there are a lot of people who don't do it well as actually very hard to do well, but there are people who do it but he doesn't know the wasn't he received like people will send you stuff.

I said I get a bit like people will send you completely like inappropriate nothing to do with my beats to my inbox today scandi underwear and I was strolling through the work.

I have no reply.

Yes, obviously about ball bearings.

I had one of those who is yeah.

The next one was about things to prising things that could be ruining your sex life like living with your parents.

That's nothing to do with play come back and a follow-up and got any interest in there.

No, obviously not and I think a lot of is automated.

I think they are just so so he was talking about Synapse and Piers can use to collect the cake with each other and then picked up by press Gazette and in that Mark Bukowski is a non-executive Synapse sort of agreed with him.

He's improving the point of the platform this sort of the collection so I registered for Synapse this week logged on and I looked on as a PR and some things to do and who was the first name that came up as an option Jay Rayner

Are you emailed him? He's just like number one on the list way to publicise Synapse is it is it all very interesting.

I got Jay Rayner had to say why don't you sent him an email with vengeance on the platform? Can I just say JS whoever's sending J invitations to restaurants.

He doesn't want she was complaining that he's very specific about key books on the pseudonym.

He doesn't take 3BT for the tall people's coming and it says all that on his bio on his Twitter and people are still going.

Would you like to come tomorrow for free and it's not the point so he won't but I will get in touch which unlikely guest has signed up for short pause election night coverage Rebecca Rebecca Nadine dorries David that broke the story and it's just I just think it's hilarious the

Culture secretary attempted to privatise Channel 4 and once they've kind of Play-Doh blind must be a member or 3rd somewhere that just says lol can you remember how many mi is there going to be at the C-4 logo on on July 5th like I just like the only reason I've done it is because it's a good actually getting people to watch their coverage.

I think but it I mean I don't say things and then changes her mind so you do have something to go against so you know but it feels like you know TVs kind of trying to make characters, so he is Boris Johnson a lovable fool and now he's you know he was privacy his Nigel Farage let's take him in the jungle and now you've got cos I know when I was doing Channel 4 shows.

Absolutely inappropriate to be a guest on on the shows the buses with trying to get us to get her I hit back if you know what 100% no was this during the privatisation of years ago.

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She was on a list and she was red.

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