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It's Awards fever as we look at who's in the running for the BAFTA TV awards as well as all the winners at the Arias to also on the programs Sky Sport crossed the Rubicon and broadcast 3 p.m.

Matches Disney plus to do few things better at so, where are they putting all the Marvel money at all that plus with talking Eurovision controversy my puppy not fancy of Google right now and in the media quiz we play does it float.

That's all coming up in this edition of the media podcast in the week Piers Morgan bags exclusive with the woman at the centre of the baby reindeer controversy a comedy producer Fiona Harvey spoke to Piers Morgan on Thursday Channel 4 continues to post production on some of it.

Performers at last week they confirmed to know me episodes of 24 Hours in A&E will be film this autumn and the same now go 8 Out of 10 Cats Does Countdown and the battle of TV and take place this weekend with Channel 4 sex poses Russell Brand's in contention in the current affairs category meanwhile the under five comedians baptize this week by Bear Grylls so that's alright, then well with me here in London podcast studio 60 Awards fever as we welcome broadcaster.

Alex Zane and dandelion meteorite a Caroline Frost Alex you popped up on our feed last week with your account down to the baftas podcast you recording lots of them.

What have you learnt along the way don't bring a style a Rollercoaster highs and lows know.

It's a very enjoyable.

I thank you for lending me up reduce the risk of the hill for that podcast countdown to the Best is Yet to be able to be on your podcast actually offers some prediction because the one thing.

Making the official Bantu podcast you have to maintain parity mean omg preference for any of them, but now I'm here you're free free to tell you who I think is going to win some of them.

Have you lots of the entries most of the entry some of the entries? I'm looking for it if the child me could hear me say this now.

I'm looking forward to not watching TV for a bit.

I have seen an offline due diligence.

I don't know whether you find this but even if it wasn't relevant that I watch a show I feel like a fraud if you start talking about something or even not along someone else is commenting on happy Valley for example.

I like you haven't seen it.

It doesn't work for me.

So yes, I watched a lot especially happy Valley of course normally have watched indeed indeed squid game the challenge wasn't on my radar, but I will say that I'd intended to watch one episode of everything to manage to get through the vast number of nominees.

Unsurprisingly with them being BAFTA nominated some of these shows are very good and so therefore I ended up watching 10 hours in squid game the challenge when I should have been perhaps using my time or responsibly will Caroline this is for last year's tell email isn't it? So big names in happy Valley as we mentioned succession the bear what stood out for you in that list.

Yes, I once I find interesting is how many series of Wellington so for example you mentioned happy Valley there's also succession there's also the Crown I think one of the most possibly competitive is leading actor and it just shows it's a testament to the quality that we have on offer in the last 12-months of TV so in that actor category.

We've got Brian Cox succession to the Crown we also have Steve Coogan for the Reckoning which is perhaps a little bit controversial because obviously it was a spellbinding performance about an awful person in the form of Jimmy Savile and

We have to mention as well Timothy Spall the 6 commandments.

So how are you put a cigarette paper between any of those for and I haven't mentioned Kane Robinson of Top Boy which is also finishing and papa SE8 you it was marvellous in the Lazarus Project so that's just one category.

I'm glad there are lots more, but it just I think it's just a testament to the quality.

I think the days of TV being film and cinema correlation are so long ago now that they just I think it'd be very interesting to see who goes home with the guns on Sunday evening and yet there is a word that is mentioned.

I think the board ceaser more than any of the time of the year and it's a word people love at this time of year snob what was snug and I would argue.

I do think they missed a trick by not nominating Norton for happy Valley it's not a glaring Omission because as you just said Caroline it's a tremendous list but really his performance is equal in my opinion to that Sarah Lancashire

Series and I think it's sad that he hasn't been nominated can win these awards in the craft Awards Charlie Brooker and they won they beat Chelsea and Sally Wainwright so anything can happen to him and are basically at the craft award, but demon 79 as a nomination here and equal in nominations to happy Valley they both have 7 nominations get to meet someone for who that is their favourite episode of season 6 of Black Mirror it's it's a great episode because my opinion none of them aren't great but this to be the one has been selected and put forward in to have this money nomination is a little bit of a surprise.

I don't worry we'll see as I've had the Royals and not attending the baftas this year does that mean the crowns got a much better chance Caroline

West was very good.

So who are we trying to is the Elizabeth debicki area isn't actually lost track with all the various incarnations.

She was knock out as Princess Diana but the Royals and the crowd are there is an argument that the royals need the Crown I think that people have written about this at length.

Discuss.

Obviously they don't like it when it doesn't reflect well on them, but the only thing worse than that is to be completely ignored.

I don't think it will make that much difference.

It doesn't mean that Prince William won't have to perfect his sort of rigour mortis polite smile for whatever goes on it does give a little bit of freedom to the nominees.

I thought it was most Princess Anne moment did you see this last week's something else to about the Crown and she made reference to apparently it took 30-minutes to do to do my hair the first payment and it takes me 5-minutes.

Turn off shortly a contender.

I think she's probably the one we know least about which means that the writer's have got possibly the most fun to play with from that list of Supporting Actress is going back to the I think Lesley manville.

She said she's my money on the night.

I think Lesley manville for her portrayal of Princess Margaret Disney CEO Bob iger has indicate.

Did he stay concentrate on quality not quantity going forward after a report form of the box office and on it strimmer Disney plus Alex what's he been saying yeah, but he uploaded it with Marvel was talking a lot about Marvel and how they going to ideally released to Marvel movies a year and to TV shows and I think this is going to be music to a lot cinema fans in mobile phones not to exhibitors unfortunately we're going to be chomping at the bit for movies to fill the gap left by Disney but certainly it's a good decision.

We went on a journey with the Avengers movies with the first 10 + years of Marvel and after endgame.

You know which for a time was the highest grossing movie in the world you need to hit the ground running Weaver end of the chapter of Marvel's history need to hit the ground running and they fail to do that now.

Not putting anything as there was an interesting ideas getting Chloe shall to direct eternal was interesting on paper.

Did it work? No it didn't work and the box office reflected that so I do think we're a period now where they do need to reframe the Marvel Universe anymore and that's exactly what I'm not a good film.

I mean the pressure of the shoulders of Deadpool 3 which is due out in just over a month Deadpool and Wolverine is immense because you can't move for articles going this film has to save the mcu because that's how bad it's got.

Is a bigger problem here which is that while it's great that they want to increase quality of a quantity.

We're still looking at movies that cost in excess of 200 million to produce now.

He did say the same speech we're going to be working on tomorrow original ideas as well.

It is great, but Steven Spielberg about 5 years ago.

He claims he was going to happen and it has happened that we have either end of the spectrum now you have 200 million + movies they cannot fail otherwise we're in this situation.

The bike is reference see and then you have much smaller budgets and movies 10 million or less.

It's a risk with the Lost in the middle market movie the size 34d million-dollar films doesn't really exist anymore.

He was like the movies that made me the moon movie 60 million budgeted movie and it's an adaptation and original ish idea for cinema.

They just simply don't exist and that's where.

We need to start focusing budget and Studios need to start making those movies streamers have leaned into a bit of that all that they've started commissioning those or one of those traditional Sony movies of the password quite close to the 34th million once does this say Caroline something more about Disney plus the other streamers having to think about how they spend their money.

I think that Disney have found another way of slicing the Apple so if you think about what we've had in terms of offering recently the Lights of The Beatles documentary add the Bon Jovi documentary last year Taylor Swift that record-breaking that phenomenon that is coming away this summer to London the restore that went to Disney these are not Marvel Star Wars all the kind of the at the animations with which it has been long associated.

It's trying something completely different with of course those big deep pocket and success.

Can I think that's probably as much as the failure of well comparative? Let's not put that the violin has just yet, but the the relative it's a slightly flatlining of those titles have also that's coincided with successful Ventures in the documentary field another field.

So just giving them food for thought I mean it's a delight to me as a viewer because they have to say those Marvel universes and milk leave me cold, but I've got plenty to enjoy as a view on the Disney platform these days very happy with them.

You are you are undergoing what Bible called superhero 40 Caroline just never cease to begin with but I do think that's that's not a stable.

It's been thrown out somebody's superhero fatigue borders Superhero movies has been I honestly don't think that's the case.

I think it's bad movie 40 think if you make these movies and you make them well people will go and see them.

There's been examples like Guardians of the Galaxy the final part of that did well.

Man and the wasp quantumania, which did not do and the first movie that people into the mcu so you can they can do it accounts for about a third of Disney plus his TV consumption and co-founder of the new Doctor Who that's what colours more money in are they trying to just maybe put their small amounts of money in more places to make what can be a winner and I think to go back to himself using it.

I think it was a huge mistake to demand that viewers of the mcu the Cinematic Universe do actually continue to follow it had to had to watch the Marvel TV series on Disney which I'm sure on paper to someone they were like well great.

We're going to bring all the views into Disney plus a lot of people didn't do that because a lot of people can't commit to 10 hours of TV just to understand why suddenly Scarlet Witch

Evil in the doctor Strange sequel what I look forward to the spinner podcast explain all elements of the mcu football showing this autumn by half including showing at 3 p.m.

Kick-offs for the first time Caroline 3 p.m.

So it's been sort of sacrosanct, but no more bit of a change.

I mean obviously the purists will kick off and waves are scarves what I find so fascinating is how now haven't I walk here with care on to the it's because I am not a football expert but I am aware of is it Manchester City's domination I hear tell if somebody called erling haaland, and Co and in the night about similar to I guess Max verstappen dominance of Formula One up to last weekend it can make it all a bit snores bill meanwhile.

It's all going on in these lower leagues.

And I know anecdotally from my friendship groups the amount of passion and interest and involvement and subscription my friend will not leave the house if there is a Bristol Rovers match now sitting dark for this kind of you and if he is ever been even mind it to subscribe to Sky Sports it would be now with it with news like this.

So I think it much is it may not involve all of the Nation in myself included I am aware of a very passionate very invested at congregation that this will be honey and music to there is Alex the deal with the EPL and I love opportunities put a lot of games on what they would have a proposing.

Yeah.

I know it's interesting in it as I as I am mistaken he said earlier sky just say signed a deal with the EDL it would be a very very different someone get me a funny looks like that's not right.

Yeah, it's it's interesting.

I mean I do feel a little bit like it is the blind leading the blind here Caroline because while all my friends were watching football and playing football in the field by the curtains drawn watching science fiction films the child so I am not the biggest football fan in the world, but I know there is a concern that perhaps attendance at these games may reduce as a result of them being televised now having been to my very first football match only last year at Selhurst Park my friends are Crystal Palace can you talk me down? I don't think that's going to be the case because he goes to everything is going live and I don't think there's any way of every creating that experience of watching a game like very much unique experience for Crystal Palace a lot of that comes personalities with that comes merchandising with that comes attendance.

I mean it is a virtuous circle if they get it right.

I think you're right and I think of all the broadcasters that could be doing as I think Sky

My home this I do think sky are amazing when it comes even even if someone who isn't a huge football fan.

I can watch and enjoy sky coverage because it is done so well, and when I was at school.

We had sky Cinema which was 3 desks and there was about 5 hours and desks for the Sky Sports department, so it doesn't surprise me that they have them they played paint a billion dollars for these rights are going to be putting go on Sky Sports Plus got a plus to your service very important and another opportunity capability to show up to 100 live at once are all at no extra cost to subscribers are fighting against Disney and Netflix and when you look at your subscription and each month you think what am I paying for the obviously clearly think more Investments worth it for this amount of content absolutely when I was at Sky again Sky Sports to put it bluntly really support.

Kind of reductive, but it really it really is the The Golden Goose and it's unsurprising that they pay the money they have anything up up 50% on the last day of this truck is an incident position.

They were sort of the ultimate aggregator.

They're the ones I got all the rights over the years and now the bits of those right to disappear into different places in Disneyland dance this week, but they don't deal with Warner Brothers Discovery to bring a bundle of Disney plus HBO Max and Hulu together for the US market in position to try and stay at the top.

Yes, I think sky has always been a disruptor because it's been that commercial balance hasn't it's always had the deeper pockets always had that willing to spend more it's the BBC and ITV but not quite as significantly have had to sort of duck and diving and to investigate other sports and how they move their packages around for dinner.

Broadcast is where is Sky can just basically throw money at the situation and what as you said with those bundle packages and the fact that other people are now Gathering together sky are having to balance that traditional commercial very very successful offering with something a little bit more high-end sometime so the great news again for the viewer.

Is that as a result you get Sky Atlantic you get a wealth of documentaries.

I think it's it's level the playing field as speaking as a viewer and they're not as I don't have that strong position as they used to do it actually it's kind of they've got a work for work for you attention absolutely I mean you know just to speak to my position at Sky which was very much in the world of movies in cinema sky used to have a very privileged relationship with all the videos because there were no streamers and sour studio at build a relationship with Sky and sky Cinema was the first place films to be broadcast in the UK post that the entropy.

Release them obviously every studio almost has their own streaming service now and so obviously all their movies are going on their own streaming service and so therefore sky has had to adapt find other avenues, which isn't the latest movies first to get us some people that are always adapt is Google and their powers been felt Again by museums in the as SEO tool sistrix big plans reports big drops for publishers after Google to have changed it algorithm in March Caroline Google set a Thomas to come clean up the search results to pull out a load of AI and the random websites.

They just chilling out content but some new properties have been hit.

What's what happened one of the biggest update yet now.

We know Google never does anything for the charity aspect of things.

Send the say it's cleaning up the low quality.

I think that this is very much a reading the room and that people are not using search tools the way they used to obviously it's the who are having to adapt.

I think it to test the strength of social media people is particularly the younger generations are with with this has been well documented over the last 2 years nothing you saying here.

They get their news every other way it don't they get their news passively it comes to them via their influences and their social media the big hitters on tiktok on on YouTube I speak to people they don't watch the news at all.

I haven't read a newspaper for over a decade so I think the fact that I news have got one of the big winners in this is chart.

They must be doing something singular because they're pretty much the only one that is going against the trend which is a huge for you.

I've done a list of some of the people.

Haven't had a good time and it's a real mixmag and you can't draw too much from it, but you can have some things like high magazine.com in there and Metro and a line you and the reach titles like a load of these publishers have leaned into what's trending at the moment and it quickly turned out some turnout content that stuff that's been hit this is trying to get listed on Google and I'll Google it.

Well if we are going to believe I don't believe they are being completely fine.

I just want us all to have a better experience it says according to Google that's what they've done is remove all these my SEO explained articles which are clickbait which are massively search net worth.

Sorrowful and they do pop up and you like I don't need to know a breakdown of like who is Logan Roy in succession.

It's like it's like you you know these things it's like where can I watch X it's amazing what bumping goes out and losing the visibility on this is great.

I think you know we're talking about you mentioned the research publications that have been here.

I think the sad thing is the visibility that Google provides much smaller companies much smaller companies they've really been hit by this to the point that without the visibility on Google they have gone bust more than one company has folded as a result of the Google making the score update to and also I was in America earlier this year and when you do searches then have a i answers for the pier and on top of the search terms that they have probably trained on most of the people that are below them in the search terms.

It's a bit some of this you look at me.

Cliff clearing the way for them to answer the questions and not send this traffic to people anymore already.

I mean quite often a lot of people have lost traffic because Google implemented a somewhere they would answer your question, so you'd ask a question and rather than I think that's what you're talking about the answer would appear on your Google search page.

So you have no need to click on any any of the websites that were offering Caroline for news publishers you mean about Google but they also want there traffic it should they just be trying to build their own digital brands rather than hope that they get loads of traffic from social media search to give them the page for you saying celebrity on it.

I have always thought ever since the internet was born ever since I last 20-years ago now it living in Australia and Rupert Murdoch discovered the internet and decreed that there was to be a website to go with his tabloid newspaper in Melbourne said you need to build the Brand and people will come and I guess.

Can some of the success stories that we know about so I'm surprised to see your time so low down on that list because I would have said it was a case study of how to do it well, but something's obviously gone a bit wrong there perhaps they have any lines on search times, but if you look at something like the times in this country the Telegraph and Financial Times of always done.

Well.

They're not going to be bothered because they they make them through people who pays their subs and visit those sites everyday as regular readers and they will read what the time the Telegraph Financial Times have to tell them and I think that's the way for them as it should be I don't have never been a fan of these journalists from I guess they've started to die out of no disappeared off the foothills the likes of the buzzfeed's and the Yahoo news Microsoft aggregators and having some post that mean to be clicking on something that the sun original journalist has gone out and found and to rewrite it and then to add 10 explain as I've been I've worked.

Places and they are cynical number crunching operations and they've been calling themselves journals for far too long and frankly perhaps.

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Welcome back Alex and Carolina here for some more news in brief over to the Arias this is the Radio Academy Awards Bosch where the BBC Asian Network home away with station of the Year my little kids we got a bronze for that category to come here.

Just did you see from that winners list if I can take them over to I just chill out with friend friend of mine gold for a Tim's listening party on Absolute Radio Tim Burgess Charlatans his which began life as a radio to Radio and a big congratulations to in tomorrow.

Well done.

I think it's the first show that won the first of all that one in there in the audience waiting for my tongue and law to BBC local radio success and a lot of local radio 6s more generally our load BBC success.

There's a lot of stress you had it on the show about a decline in local radio till of network commercial radio BBC local radio on to thread a great story.

They can do a great job mean.

I don't know whether I should say this but why not pull back the curtain it says the media podcast after also I was once on the judging panel back before they were they are the Sony Radio Awards on the judging panel for newcomer of the yeah, which is any radio DJ on any network whose only been going from I can't remember x amount of time and what you got was a mix of local radio DJ so you're not here and then some bigger names are in the year, but I was doing it Jarvis Cocker are we working out the shortest a positive the argument that you simply cannot have Jarvis Cocker and an unknown local radio DJ on the same list if this is going to a public because ultimately the public and go well.

I know that I'm going to vote for that.

I was never respect and started to pick up the thread of this system that have been in place for ages, but I think it's great because to go back to what you were saying.

I think it's absolutely fantastic.

What a difference it can make to a local radio DJs career that perhaps in my example someone like Jarvis got this and it does not need the Awards to have a bit of everything you want a bit of starpowa a bit of great local stories.

We could have something on stage.

She was like a listener who was involved in a show and that that was really good to Caroline what did you say on the list for your attention? I just kept saying the name Rob Burrow from Radio Leeds and clearly.

He is the man on the rise who won the podcast you want some innovation.

Got a silver as a who is that bad.

I will tell you then so he was professional sportsmen who has motor neurone disease and you came upstairs in a wheelchair.

A cold wall to play as acceptance speech and the traitor show that uses a AI samples version of his voice that they used to interview people and so you're a very very different and BBC local news on the BBC local radio station think it's Leeds and let's go with these creative execution and you don't need hundreds of cameras and and superstars you can create great emotional impact for media with relatively few people I mean on with you a few weeks ago at me for the broadcast press Guild awards and what we've always try to do on those committees is for the innovation and would certainly is when the medium meets the message and somehow they support each other and I think that as you say this is this is proof of that as well other names to pop out at me.

Even mention the fact that local radio just seems to be the

The Dying art but is a lifeline for so many people but also we should mention national prison radio did very well got to mention when you think that's a niche offering but perhaps most of us don't get to hear it's obviously doing something very effective and no doubt that will be human stories that come out of that which one day we will hear about.

I'm sure it was lovely to see them too.

So well.

I feel that radio is said so many people into Prism it's nice that quality radiators carry out of prison and they're one of the shows that one is basically request that has lots of colours voice notes in it and imprisoned the way they do Media in prisons changes with access to covid change that quite a lot as well and so sort of a show which is very difficult to die in the past in prison you can I do have a look I was looking at national prison radio off they won the Awards very high proportion of the people that can listen do listen.

Just back to you if you've got a reason to have a connection with an audience and you're making something particularly for them then you'll enjoy getting Christmas from me.

I do I do think I mean just a champion medium once more I do think of all the mediums is an intimacy to radio between listener and broadcaster that existing Noah the medium right time for the quiz.

Let's talk Eurovision Caroline likely a more muted affair than last year obviously because it's not in the UK but also Graham Norton is one of the most experienced broadcasters in the country and I've never seen him that cluster and you know 10000 Liverpudlian screen behind him finally broke Norton complex issues, Israeli contestants as well as coverage, isn't it all the events?

So the one of the great hopefully musical headlines will be on crossing everything that if ever the four of them feel minded to reunite it will be on Saturday night in Malmo to everybody what they need I mean and I'm sure I need snow encouraging Benny not far behind him.

It's the ladies that I have always been a little bit harder to persuade they've done that.

I think they make an appearance at the first night of ABBA voyage, but they didn't have to do any singing so that could be a lovely nostalgic hook, but everything else is shrouded with this political next time even our Dear Olly Alexander has found himself under duress because he signed a petition demanding the the end of the activity in God and quiz for Palestine jumps on that and said well if he thinks that's the case.

He should be boycotting the competition as long as well are involved because the powers that be the you have said it's a different situation from

Planning Russia because everything that is really done it continues to be a sanctified state that so far I mean a statesman around the world can't sort this out at the Summits and the UN council's we can't really expect the likes of Olly Alexander to sort of just sort it all out on his day off from rehearsals, but you can see it had its effect on him and I think he's been quite fragile this week and I'm hoping that by Saturday that perhaps just we will all be in the arena with them in spirit and will be reminded that this is a bunch of musicians.

Who are the theme is United by music and never have they needed it so much.

It's going to be difficult to keep that show on the road for the whole duration.

Yeah, it's I mean to speak on the the music itself though.

I mean something fishy fishy.

I don't know whether you watch them, but I'm in wearing for a real treat there's something.

Entries not least of all the Windows 95 man just brilliant.

He's got a good chance.

No it's do you know what it's not a bad song it's fine, but compared to some of the others and the other entries I am thinking I don't know Slovenia is great Switzerland Switzerland Nemo song at the Swiss entry the code is I just I mean never have I ever heard a song which involves wrapped and Operatic within 3 seconds of each other it's an incredible piece of music that Caroline anybody think we should be looking out for I hope Ukraine too well, because they do I spoke to the two ladies that are competing for Ukraine this week and I get the sense that they think that they've become yesterday's war that they said boycotting is not an option for them because they are desperate to raise funds.

If they do well that they're going to do the same as Cal Orchestra 2 years ago and any money they make will go straight into the war effort, but they were somewhere like tents in the bookies chard following a first semi-final performance there now going up that bookies chats so I wish them well on Saturday for sure good night for BBC One Doctor Who then Eurovision Charlotte was rubbing your hands with glee at the hope of superate quiz this week.

We're playing does it floats I feel that the producer Matt hell is just making me do more difficult things with the quiz lucky there any props.

I'm going to give you a property that's been in the news in the past week.

You just tell me if the Talent and or product is about to set time on the high seas of success or sink Without a Trace so buzzing.

Names if you know the answer to Caroline you will say Caroline number one Mogan he says he's floating he is floating right.

He is waiting.

Why is he he's floating because he has just signed a deal to make a new podcast with Global and interview show I forget the name is called beginning popular guy does a great job he ever really found like the right vehicle yeah, I'm interested as someone who like my bread and butter is podcast interview.

I'll be interested to see what angle it takes beginning middle and end.

When I read the titles, ok, is that interviewing filmmakers because otherwise you know I've got competition, but yeah, I'm intrigued to know what I don't think they said what is an interview show where I mean the podcast market is busy.

It's a super competitive place and and to cut through you have to be offering something that people can't get anywhere else other than being a very charming Media personality which is ok 1.2 you a question number to Sky continuity announcers Caroline Caroline floating or sinking sinking because sky are removing their continuity announcers from 6 of their channels.

They're saying that they will be Tailoring to any programs that are particularly big in the audiences with linear broadcast but they don't need to keep those people sitting in those foods for hour after hour doing.

You only a few people when lots of people and now watching TV on demand and they don't need those answers to the documentary sign into Sky comedy in sky sign it stop you upset you write more people watching streamers.

What's your favourite episode but continuity is the brand of a channel are they missing a trick by not really into it and it's a quintessentially British things.

I think there's only us in Ireland in the whole world that have continuity announcers and you remember them.

I mean granted people are watching the ATV March but for some people not everyone but I'm sure it feels like company knowing that someone is in that Booth and talking to you live as you're staying at home apps on your own watching that show I'm sure it does feel like a connection to the outside world is at BBC Wales where they have their own continuity BBC One Wales and he was saying it's a great resource for them to promote or two.

See you at the last minute and reflect the day Caroline we just hopping on like I was lovely the old days, so we should just move the ovalteenies microphones.

I do remember during lockdown.

We had the Strictly Come Dancing final and it was a friend of mine Duncan newmarch on that day and he spoke the nation and he said wherever you are however alone.

You are We're All In This Together and it was very moving and people were quick to write about it on social media and he he channel something that day and I'm not saying that every single day needs that level of intimacy of engagement, but it has something unique and valuable and I just think I hope they're not going to throw out the baby with the bathwater with all of this point the peace final question question number three GB news owner Paul Marshall sylver.

Well, I will tell you if you're not keeping tracks on.

What do you mean? This is Paul Marshall is up to you.

Just want to draw well.

He's very much song so you haven't heard this story.

It's a brilliant story he did invested in a secret operation to this is already gold to go down to the World War II shipwreck weather was salutes down there and basically get the Loot and keep the money at tennent's me 34 million pounds of silver in the correct which him and his team of his team recovered, but unfortunately the South African mint said it was there from the ship that crashed in the 40s and they want you didn't get to keep his silver oops.

Sorry for him.

I wouldn't say only for sofa.

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