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We talked about it in the last year.

Did you think it was a good day good gig was extremely good.

Morning and I think the quality of both the speakers and the audience are really showed they have a very good way of getting the people you want to listen to into this extraordinary little place and I think that they do in Syria that I'm serious now.

They actually do a great job because they believe in the culture really television of trying to improve people's lives with the Broad range of Public Service Broadcasting I'm sorry the sounds heavy but that is why I think they're so much respected the voice of the view and the listener and it is a is a group who are interested in in radio television some of them with my background some without a bad balance and maybe of older audience that is absolutely.

They've actually come a long way from being almost disorder counted to maybe Mary Whitehouse in considering the kind of quality television and radio and particular radio for that.

They wanted to become a broader church.

I I really do think they do a valuable job international investigations editor Jake cancer.

Hi Jake hello hello good to be here very much enjoyed the video conferences as well.

I have to say and one of the best things about the bellrays is the audience members often know more about the services than the executives on which always is a brilliant dynamic.

It is in on January predictions special you felt that Cats Channel 4 this year.

How's that looking? Can you give us a Channel 4 health check on what you're you're here at the moment.

Well, it hasn't happened so it's wrong.

Do I think the chances of it happening this year are more likely as a result of what happened over the last 3 months or so probably speak to producers and inside as a Channel 4 and there is an overwhelming anxiety about their leadership and people are agitating for change in a way that I've not really seen before in the 13 years.

I've covered channel for a one producer put it to me Channel 4 has lost the dressing room and people feel that it could do with a refresh and a change of leadership and the change of waves things and yeah bit of a creative refresh a little while as well.

What's your take on on the current top 2?

The time at the du depart probably when they feel that they've established enough of a change if you like it is I think it runs more deeply than the history of Channel 4 is always that you are not supposed to stay forever.

I mean Jack you know that that's how it started the person who stayed longer.

It's Michael grade at the moment 10-years.

Have a really and I haven't been brilliant texts all that well except.

I think the preceding the current group of people we had Ham vs.

Stabilising figure who understood how to lead the move into interdigital and and to a different kind of arrangement of programming and indeed with j Hunt they did establish some of the big hits that still just about Romania Channel 5 thinking of Gogglebox for example, so yeah definitely I would.

That we're going to see change, but it's hard to know exactly when it is completely agree if you look at Jay's record, I mean it's kind of a lot of channels biggest shows are from huraira.

Are you getting things like Bake Off and you look at things I've Gogglebox and SAS who dares wins these are still fire station shows in the Channel 4 schedule and I think that's probably one of the biggest criticisms of avian cats and Alex my heart.

Is that they have not I should in that sort of new generation of ratings when they will point to the piano which returned the weekend with 2.1 million does reasonable business for them, but that's not on the scale of those days.

I've just mentioned and there is a feeling that they need to work much harder at 2 to bring in those kinds of formats that can come back every year.

Be bankable, well, I would BBC for female employees and face and employment tribunal this week as a form of BBC News anchors took the corporation to court for address.

I saw you sweetie, but this earlier today was Thursday when we're recording it.

What's the first thing that we heard from that from that case so it's fine today hearing over Wednesday or Thursday this week as we are speaking there's just been some developments the preliminary hearing that took place was to argue could and could not go forward to the main tribunal which will be at a date yet to be determined the full women were arguing push forward a claim of equal equal pay disputes at the tribunal has ruled with the BBC inside of the BBC and said those claims cannot go forward but the women has succeeded in being out.

The cases together which the BBC was trying to prevent this all looks like you know if it carries on this way this will be a pretty explosive tribunal if it to PL24 hearing is not settled and we are going to hear some pretty uncomfortable allocations for the BBC about a recruitment process to hire presenters for the news channel which was finalised in January last year Maggie come back to haunt channels, when they are dealing with staff dealing with Talent is it sort of any surprised that was still facing these these similar responses would have that this was not happening.

I don't think there's any BBC probably imagine was going to happen.

They have been I think almost scared into making cats because they have as we know or so they say.

What's the weather 3rd of the revenue in real terms, it does seem to me very cross-eyed when you saw these for very presentable women walking along and you know that they have done probably very jobs for the BBC it's very hurtful experience and I would have expected better from them to any wider problems with the BBC broadcast in general deal with with Talent I think this does 0.2 issues at the BBC I mean, it's kind of staggering that this has been dragging on for more than a year now.

I have reached this point.

I don't think that someone at the BBC see you and offers seized this issue and said we need to sort this and we need to sort it quickly and that's how we got to this point these for women feel incredibly agreed that their treatment they believe that the recruitment process was rigged and they were prevented from getting these jobs because

The presenting lineup was predetermined before the recruitment process began.

They're saying that they were harassed as a result of those decisions that they have faced other discrimination in terms of their involvement with the union and they have complained about physical and mental health detriments as a result of these decisions and the Optics of for older women taking the BBC to court over these issues is I don't think of understated help or this is BBC I said imagine that the events of the last couple of days will Focus mine's at The Corporation and I think the interests of all parties to settle this and and get these really strong professionals back on here to show that human resources.

Let's test the case of LB

Sangita myska who disappeared off a couple of weekends ago with no acknowledgement from global even audiences to speculate over her dismissal is that was until this week Jake when LBC let announced a new schedule.

Yeah, I mean this is one of the more curious Media stories that have been quite a while.

I think it's probably a bit of a parable of our times Now shows are conspiracy theories confessed are when there's an absence of credible information at the theory that's taken root online is that Sangita myska was fired for an interview with her and Israeli government spokesperson.

There's a couple of easy public counters to that is so desperate to censor this interview than why is it been on LBC channel for the past week and there are the presenters on LBC being similarly robust with Israel including yo, it's Starman James O'Brien

Sangeeta's ratings have been in Decline and that has been a motivating factor behind globals decision according to people have spoken to the this week, but I also think it's true that they have treated her in a really unnecessarily brutal way and shot themselves in the foot and the process you know they have been taken back by listening response.

I think they have found the conspiracy theories that have been going viral online incredibly unhelpful.

Yeah.

It's a really unusual story of a present heading to the exit door night.

I'm not sure that it's been handled brilliantly Bible I mean Maggie and global can be quite off operator and when I saw this story mice of immediate response was there just fancied a change their schedule for whatever reason and made it as Jake says that's been crashed into by people accusing them of

A variety of things but does this point to the fact that companies maybe need to think more differently when they make changes to schedule for things in the past.

That's why I think you're right.

We were talking about the voice listening viewer conference and very similar thing was actually being as well about local presenters and how attached certainly older people may be listening during the day having a companion, how much they were attached and how upset some of them have become when their favourite presenters across.

It's 23 when I can't remember how many had disappeared and we forget that people do bond with voices and with an approach and maybe a sense of humour that they've both appealing and friendly actually the other thing I think about this the treatment if I can go back to the The Fall BBC women is that we had some of you Edwards also in.

Universe finally leaving but having had the comfort of extremely large paychecks.

He was we hope recovering so it the juxtaposition to me looks not just that looks very awkward and and it is upsetting.

I'm sure for a lot of listens to who got used to those for when I'm not sure if that's ok, as they walked in and it I was watching them and I thought you look very well groomed and he look very determined and I thought well watch out with this one and hasn't said anything herself which sort of driven a lot of the response as well and again my sort of just boring radio thoughts are they probably paid off her contract till the end of it and give her an an ok day out and as part of that to just stay still on anything connected to it.

Cos that's the normal PlayBook is not on.

I think that's very possible that you had James O'Brien on the radio today.

He was asked about Sangeeta by a listener and basically said that her silence and not been very helpful helpful and had a loud all these conspiracies to take Roux and she had declined to set the record straight.

I think that was the phrase I used I'm not convinced.

That's entirely fair thing for him to be saying for the reasons that you've just articulated.

Yeah, she will have a contract.

I'm sure that contract or whatever the terms of how much I will say that she can't disparage global so why would she risk that money and the potential to be sued by speaking out in favour or to help? How old employer doesn't like a little bit bad.

That's that's a little bonus positive for as well.

Isn't it? By just saying I can't talk to her motivations but

Yeah, I think it as I say.

It's a bizarre case I'm not going to keep the handle.

I think it what it does.

Is it speaks to a globals increasing influence in the UK media landscape, but I think it's become a really big and important player here in the UK but it has still quite this sort of small-time family business shoes to running things and those two things are sometimes intention with each other.

I think well on other changes to LBC so Vanessa Feltz is during you might remember that she left talk radio last week and got the newsagents Lewis Goodall replacing David Lammy who not unexpectedly think she might be a bit busy over the next few months.

He's a growing national broadcaster, and it's a good few years.

Is it becoming a more important broadcaster for the election? Yes?

Because of the audiences that it attracts and the fact that it seems to be always there with you say there's been a source of reliability of presenters female may not get used to it.

I think it's people are listening on the move.

They they they have a number of ways of accessing radio which even though we will have TV is an all the rest of it.

It does the kind of argumentative side of radio.

I mean I found myself something like you know you'll find yourself on with joining in sometimes and thinking.

Oh gosh.

I think live medium and it's and it's always reactive it add something to your day and it is a very proper.

I agree that it has grown from a very small you might say baby has become a National Forest really and that makes it really very important know I I actually like the fact but it's it's not like the BBC know that way I also was going to

She was always the bad boy of broadcasting it seems relatively stayed in comparison to sort of GB news off TV and that's it.

That's a very very good point they tried to think when they're having people you know calling in they do I think often treat people with respect they do listen to people and they are prepared to I just like a bit and let somebody make a fool of themselves maybe but then come back in and that is a very that they have they do have very professional in their own style presenters.

That's what that I'm actually do quite like LBC to all the things.

I don't like very much of now is Radio 4 especially the day forever.

I'm hoping the changes.

I think you are exposed to lots of all the different types of ways to do radio or whatever media and suddenly you look at these for the whole day for it something maybe I don't like it as much as I did I just never really sore head.

What's about this out there and Jake Sunday morning Politics show for Lewis Goodall that makes no sense him off of the newsagents newsagents is clearly label that thriving still really good business for them.

I think it's fantastic quality product and Louis is is a real star.

I think I think he's you brilliant broadcaster incredibly articulate and intelligent and smiles and has clearly been plugged into different parts of the LBC schedule for quite a while now, so I could have his own show I think it is a good step for him.

I also actually think it's a good step for LBC to be moving away from David Lammy and for David Lammy to be moving away from LBC I think that has sorted become a decision that parties at to become a stick to beat LBC with that it's giving politicians the chance to present programs put in the sea.

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Wilcomatic and Maggie are here and we talking about open AI and the US press because he US newspapers including the New York daily news in Chicago tribune suing Microsoft and open AI Jake what's their beef? So they are basically saying and I love the reason why I'm going to quote this because I have to love this one and I've not heard it before reading this story today, but they're claiming that chat gbt and Microsoft's AI system ai ai system is that I don't know AI system copile purloining their content without payment now.

I seen that means steal the posh way of saying stealing it and it off me you'll find it and they're saying that their language model near for basin copies significant portions of the

And that's what's prompted this lawsuit should make out the all the leaves and newspaper publishers are owned by one hedge fund called Oldham capsule, so there's probably a reason why the coordinating on this, but yeah, it's a war I think that we're going to see more of in the future.

We may see some bigger publishers taking similar action all we may see publishers doing what the ft has done recently and that's partner with open AI make its context and presumably generate some revenue from doing at times approach.

Is that a more potentially profitable one for the news media absolutely in the Financial Times has fantastic content and has extremely well researched articles on a far wider range of subjects including a lot of foreign affairs which other papers now.

So when I read the story and I I thought about contrasting it in fact with the other way of doing it.

I thought it was a very smart move and it includes the archives as well or access to them now.

We all know and I mean I'm always kind of amazed.

I spent 40 years or something doing different people in sometimes might pop up in The Guardian a contemporary story and I kind of thing I know you know but it but a bearing on on the current story that say the Guardian is running or it might be a feature and so we all know in whatever sort of Media contact times of whatever they are very often things that are a value long after they first either been published all they've gone out and I think with the Financial Times us backlog of

Things it must have been sitting on some really very good properties, which can exploit I think I I think that was the intelligent way to go and it was she now has a crush on this big Japanese owner.

It's got a global spread and it will be increasingly.

I think backed by them because it hasn't it's one of the of the global newspapers.

So when you think about it it can adapt with with with new systems.

It's content can be translated into other languages it can go back to stories which was saying incredible interest to say South Africans given the state given the fact that they're just not facing it very important election things which will will will be for segmented audiences to because of their global reach with their own look at things that they're not the same as an American newspaper.

Water Street type stores they do global stories, so yeah, I think it's a very good move a joke is good for us of all of us really but they're doing licencing deals with good content providers does Maggie was saying there a great back catalogue because it improves the older improves the material that it generates improves.

I guess the service more and more of us will be using yeah, of course.

They should be mining at the treasure Trove of journalism.

That is on the Financial Times and Elsewhere and not just for the good of users but because it's like the moral ethical to do they are breaching copyright by using if they are if they are using me.

I'm sure they will deny this but by by using by taking content without breaching copyright and so is more than just a case of it being in the interests of its users.

One of the things that stuck out to me about the Financial Times announcement was the chief executive of John ridding saying the f t is committed to human journalism, that's not afraid anticipated hearing a few years ago.

Is it quite the same as save the mirror or the Daily Mail you now doesn't that sort of very kind of chief executive you sort of way to put it out now.

I anything that's what we might call even now the newspaper industry or proper heritage heritage the word.

I'm looking for then.

I'm completely in favour of it for some of the things that I do we use may I services and the one I've sort of landed on is a Dobbies AI stuff for a subscriber to Adobe

They say that they have all the rights they all the stuff off licence to put into it is things they've licence and the me as a as a publisher myself.

I think I'm not going to get caught out that something snaffled a bit dodgy lead 3 years ago when suddenly pop up in one of my head of Images I mean that the other thing is he's gonna be able to prove that to it's paying customers that the stop is not going to catch the customers to get them in trouble that could be in trouble and definitely are in trouble at the readers Digest is no more at least in the UK after 86 years at the magazine stopped publishing last week mate.

The previous incumbents of this chair.

Only man was a regular columnist and he was on ITV news on Wednesday at talking about it.

So this brand recognition from people but they just stop buying away because

It wasn't a MainStay of my father always had it and he I think he liked the fact you could pick it up and they are relatively short articles on it and so yeah, it is a company to him saying a holiday would always have it.

Don't know you subscribed for as long as he was alive actually so do you want it and I don't really think I've read it, but it was always there and one thing that did happened to me was that I actually new people in lattice who were either the running it all one was doing the European side of things and I had a particular nasty experience which was a burglary which they commissioned one of them permission meteorites.

I've actually recent for them and they they pay me fantastically well.

I think it was £1,500 the problem.

That's what I used to my grandparents would get it as well and I guess is a 10-year-old would would enjoy reading the short things all over little sort of Jess and remember.

I also used to do condensed books and I think it was a very strange thing in another was she would say pick up a Dickens work and it said of it sending to 1000 pages or something you would get the core of it.

So you had an easy-to-read condensed book and I had a whole team that didn't remember visiting them and I wonder how long this is, where is the model was about 1.6 million subscribers in the UK take it seems that the staff were the last people to find out that the thing was closing that's it's a shame that not give me any scope for a sort of final commemorative issue.

Yeah, that's massive.

Holly said on LinkedIn that he found out via a Linkedin post that it was having a written his column a long time.

I presume Holly had nothing to do with the fact that readers were playing in their droves one of the things.

I loved reading the obituaries for his digest is it it's idea that it was one of the first places to have internet meme culture.

Yeah, it was a place where there were lots of cat pictures and photos of clouds that look like celebrities, which obviously is existence online these days that was a Forerunner well at rap4 the reader's Digest ok.

Just enough time for this week, please Mastermind sketch, but as a quiz I'm going to give you a question, but you have to answer the question before so busy with your names if you know the

so Jake you all say.

A Maggie you say let's play The Two Ronnies Mastermind sketch, but as a quiz alright question number one who has universal music signed a new deal with to allow it back on its platform check correct, which TV series originally project kangaroo launch this week Jake tiktok.

Yes, that's right number 3 which award-winning British comedy starts its final series this week.

I do know the first Jake oh, no, it's is the real baby reindeer Maggie yes mate inside number 9 yes correct and that time's up and I think that makes Jake are Winifred

You will never do again produce about a good job there pick up some of those Jake would you make if the baby reindeer controversy the show landed with like kind of no marketing with no fanfare whatsoever and has absolutely exploded on Netflix is doing absolutely gangbusters not just here in the UK but internationally and in America and listening to the rest of entertainment with Richard Osman and this week.

They made some really good points about compliance and where the Netflix did enough to make sure that the identities of the characters portrayed in this drama is enough and given that the stalker the the series is about a comedian.

Who is stalked by a woman and it's based on a true story.

Identity of the the stalker character has been outed by internet slaves and she's interview with the Daily Mail in which he's talked about to have been taken advantage of and it's all a bit messy something quite interesting thing in the piece about the nature of stalking and they've sort of inadvertently to the witch hunt that is very much like stalking modern problem, but Maggie is Jake the saying this is something that Netflix probably could have guessed would happen.

He would have thought Netflix upset about this huge interest that they've they generated that seems to me when I was reading about it seemed to me like a slave who done it in a trying to sort of I think they've done almost made it a question hang in there hasn't Nigel Farage I don't know he's entered the never want to miss a good opportunity.

It is a strange one and the Richard Gadd had to basically do a social Post last week saying that someone else wasn't the person for the thing happened in episode 4 are we still got it so I got a bit complicated hasn't check it has I think the starting point is it? It's a it's a it's a stunning and quite remarkable bit of television.

I think incredibly raw story told brilliantly but I really as I say I do think of a question for Netflix on the way they handle this I think if it was on the BBC there would be this kind of Internet guessing game because the BBC would have done a much better job of protecting identities and providing probably a better duty of care to all of those involved and seek water Freeview and Freesat run by everyone TV iptv.

Watching Life telly, did it's got a good chance for success.

I think it's certain edition doesn't it's broadband doesn't know I mean we all know that they did Freeview pretty well actually, it's just a development on that shows that they still in the game really they have a public service broadcasters coming together as before plus.

I think the 2 language services as well.

So why not and Jake I was really bad at this week.

Talk to about 3 being available into the TVs and get a TV smart TVs with a freely available as an hour yet.

It's you got a buy one of those TVs are there a bit behind the game or do you think this is the right time for a apsb iptv service if they all behind again, then they're not necessarily entirely to blame given that something quite similar in project kangaroo was blocked by the government.

No more than a decade ago before streaming.

Thing I think it makes complete sense for these organisations come together and do something like this.

They probably are a little bit but this probably is a fairly inexpensive way to bring themselves together and and trying to increase their scale gets around the city that some people really don't want to take out subscription signs ready for the ordinary viewer who wants to have that kind of service on so I don't think something that's offered offered freely literally free.

You've got to have the right TV is is going to flop it's going to be taken up probably won't change the world, but as it if it for example it would happen 2007 but it's definitely an additional good on the public service broadcasters.

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