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BBC sounds music Radio podcasts hello and welcome to this week's the woman's r-series on the impact of FE has divided listeners.

I hope Woman's Hour does not shy away from topics like this in the future as we need to hear them woman's are is broadcast at 10 a.m.

But with the current content.

I think 10 p.m.

Would be a better a little deeper into the issue with a listener who is specialist knowledge of covering sensitive topics also your reaction to those Radio 4 schedule changes were the results of the audience calling presented is it truly representative and the news that tweet of the day is to become tweet of the week has ruffle some feathers.

No, no it's so hard and ridiculous to remove the Beloved 2-minutes little jewel from the daily schedule tweet of the day sound recorders.

The art of capturing birdsong I can take people to the place where that bird was seeing with my microphone, but first the BBC this week when it was planning to start running advertisements on its podcasts and on-demand programs on third party platforms in the UK what that means is if you're listening to BBC put on say apple or Spotify you might soon here Commercials within some podcasts.

This is a sea change for the publicly funded, but cash-strapped BBC and it's added to the already fiery debate about the future of the licence fee someone from the BBC to come and explain the thinking behind the move but they declined instead.

They gave us this statement listeners will continue to hear BBC audio without ads on BBC sounds, but as many of our podcasts are available on Commercial platforms like apple and Spotify where adverts are the norm.

What's a carry them in some of our contents to generate more revenue to support the BBC licence fee payers our suppliers and rights holders audio industry consultant Tegan Jones me know.

What's the thinking behind this moved do we know how much revenue? It's likely to make for the BBC it's very difficult to know because haven't said exactly how many shows we'll go into the system and what time I mean is the sort of thing in the BBC scale that could grow to a few £1000000 a year which is not an insignificant amount of money, but this be quite a few restrictions on what the B&B in podcasting.

You can get normal adverts that you might hear on the radio, but you also often get endorsements from presenters.

We call them live reads and they tend to be the things with money in the BB7 not go runny nose and then also will be challenged by the fact that there will be some advertising types.

They might not like I've told him that I don't want to companies or insurance products who knows what what?

Might be that reduces your your opportunities to make money from things for podcast advertising today on the podcast out there for companies and individuals probably about 30 to 40% of the odd spots are filled.

So you don't get to release a podcast and kind of fill up with as much advertising as you like it so much.

There is in the market.

So you can refill about third of your airtime as well of course because of exactly what you are saying other commercial podcasters are not going to be happy that the BBC and I hoping to take a slice of that advertising pie.

I wonder would impact it's really going to have on listeners when they can always go to BBC signs if they don't want ads and other people won't mind having us probably there's some consumers.

They probably think I've already had some BBC podcast even though they don't know they do that oversees.

Don't know where they do vs.

It's difficult now.

I think you can argue that I can BBC1 live.

The entrance of the commercial market might make podcasting more attractive for advertisers therefore rising type carries.

All Ships I think I might have been the case if you've done this 5 years ago.

I think now it's not biggest players sort of all the people in the forecast Market I think for listeners that sort of scares me a little bit about this is there isn't really BBC content from the BBC this branded BBC content does not have advertising in the UK the little bits around the fringes BBC magazines which run by the company now YouTube advertising for some occasional awesome adverts there but generally for programs.

They don't exist in places where there's ads and against and argue that well as you get Amazon Prime and that has Anton and I'll be show my appearance.

I need different to first run new shows on Apple podcasts or Spotify will get out of the first time and I didn't I could be a bit of a slippery slope from the BBC

Had some questions dancer over the next few years about future of licence fee and there's lots of different ways to argue that I love you lots of discussions, and I think the jump into this this market for a small amount of money.

I think probably cause the more internal anguish from all The Usual Suspects as well as disgruntled listeners to I'm not really sure it's not that all the rails that will come from this.

Yes, there's a bigger discussions.

We made about where BBC money come.

It's interesting that because the brutal reality is that the BBC needs to find ways of Raising revenue only think that the shortfall by 2027 is going to be about 500 million times a year and I wonder really if having a few ads Spotify is really deleting or damaging the BBC Brand and the bigger picture of a big conversation to be heard about whether they advertising on BBC services perfectly you know acceptable way.

The government and the public side that's how they want to be from the literature for to go down that route that will require a lot of discussion and a lot of arguing about the BBC advertising where if for example BBC radio stations Saturday capitalising if you want some commercial radio stations you might find out you're not possible anymore now at the podcast level.

It's not going to have that Direct impact, but the BBC is a big b statz does have an impact and it's not one that the corporation always thinks about because they focus on themselves are often focus on licence repairs, so and it has a lot of challenges around it is all steps and even some little as won't notice but I think probably opens up some bigger questions that I'm sure everyone else would like to to have if there was an unnamed form of BBC executive in the time saying it could cost the BBC a lot more in terms of its clarity of Mission and purpose compared to what it brings in financially it sounds as if you agree with them.

I think you've got a challenge where.

Exception of that can sometimes be very powerful, so if there's a view that programmes made by BBC Studios which allows commercialised but they are commissioned by the BC public people to people who run ready for other channels might be the people older commissioning things which are such a popular will make money that will happen because that would require a degree of everybody working together that I would be surprised what happened, but still the perception of that at from people that suddenly.

There's a commercial influence again might have colour repercussions for the BBC One it's trying to do more important things Egan audio industry consultant.

Thanks so much for joining me on feedback now Woman's Hour has been running a series over the past few weeks on the impact of pornography particularly the influence the increased use of porn by men and boys has on women in their lives and relationships and should expect from Woman's Hour this is a Frank no holds barred.

Aimed at shedding light on an area that affect many women but is really talked about we heard from people including a woman in her 60s his partner is addicted to porn300 non.

Hi Paul has influenced their relationships the author of a book called women on phone and asexual psychotherapist well if the aim of the series was to start a conversation on the topic certainly achieved that both on social media and amongst feedback listeners is Felicity from Epsom to give the woman telling her story isn't prepared to devote her name is probably going to be unacceptable to large number of listeners at which my husband and I are definitely amongst them by the way neither of us are prudish or anti-sex really learn.

What was in poor not learn that they based on race based on age based on all these.

Thank you.

As a father of a daughter coming into teenagers really make me think about the safeguarding measures only need to put in place to keep my daughter safe.

This is Jane from Streatham London woman's house been a part of my life for years, but I must have checked to the current series on pornography and the way in which Woman's Hour has so dramatically changed to become a program.

I'd rather not listen to you.

Can't spell because we're going there on this series when you say house.

X x work, what do you mean specifically? I would say that for example with oral sex I contact hearing the different perspectives of those sharing their stories regardless of gender but so insightful is also useful to hear from men of all different age ranges who learn from watching Thornton I hope Woman's Hour does not shy away from topics like this in the future as we need to hear them Kate Davies Cartmel Cumbria please can someone do something to rain in the current woman's are preoccupied.

Masturbation pornography and general bodily functions with everything at the coming across woman's Irish broadcast at 10 a.m.

But with the current content I think 10 p.m.

Would be a better time.

I would also suggest that if the discussion was about men doing the same things there would be an outcry from Salisbury I feel Woman's Hour has tried to present all viewpoints professionally and empathetically interview I heard on Mondays programme with me.

So my phone is a topic that nobody talks about I take my hat off to woman's hour for looking underneath is Taboo Woman's Hour unable to put anyone forward for interview, but they did give us this statement doesn't shy away from taboo topics and does so in the considered and sensitive we are listeners expect discussing photography is not a new to Woman's Hour it's a topic which is culturally relevant.

Often under discussed women have told us that they are concerned about how poor news is affecting their relationships and sex lives yet most women don't feel able to talk openly about it leaving feeling confused and isolated Radio 4 had an adult audience on this topic is handled in a manner.

That is appropriate for the time of broadcast.

We're always very careful to so clearly subject matter or language to help audiences to make informed choices about their listening to get in touch to give us heartache on the point series.

She is it exactly the type of topic the program should be covering in fact as it turns out she's an expert on stigmatised subjects McDermott is a sensitive storytelling.

Yeah.

I didn't know what that was either, but her job is the coach organisations in navigating extra sensitive issues on public platforms and she joins me know Ruth you do.

Working life helping others talking about taboo subject like pornography.

So how do you think woman's hours doing I think they're doing absolutely brilliant Lee I feel like Woman's Hour absolutely the correct to be talking about this kind of thing from what I've heard.

They are doing it ethically they doing it sensitively.

They're doing it professionally and they doing it appropriately for the time of day.

So I'm really pleased that they attacking something so difficult to talk about if issues like this aren't talked about then it leads to the feelings of shame it leads to the feelings of absolute stigmatisation and leads for topics like this to be discussed in the mainstream and I feel like a flagship Radio 4 programme with the demographic of 49% male 51% female is the right place to talk about something that affect pretty much everybody in this life now know we did hear from listeners to find these conversations valuable and insightful but others have not.

But they just don't want to hear about it jayn for example contacted us come up a bit let's celebrate women and focusing less on our bodily functions and Intelligence creativity and amazing humour someone who helps organisations deal with difficult subjects.

Is it possible to talk openly light something like the effects of pornography without offending some listeners.

I feel like it's really difficult to please everybody all the time and that might be something that is said quite a lot on this show people obviously will have different kind of standard different personal standards for what they feel is appropriate for the different times of day and I would question just anybody who is claiming that it isn't appropriate that it makes him feel uncomfortable.

Can you just sit with that feeling and to ask themselves? Why it makes them feel uncomfortable and what it is about the topic that makes them feel.

And to reframe their focus and the take away for them as being empathetic one so approaching the lived experience stories that we're hearing from you and listen to them with compassion and empathy rather than serve with outrage ironically I do kind of feel like one of the reasons why people feel uncomfortable listening to topics such as it is because it's not talked about so if we were able to come to bring that topics such as pornography the impact and effects it has on relationships into the public domain more people would feel uncomfortable with it if you work in teaching people to navigate around taboo subjects and perceptions do change over time I mean if you think about it had to be the menopause was only a few years ago and night really is talked about much more openly.

I wonder what kind of impacts it does have when you give a stigmatised subject like porn.

Platform or airtime in this case what it does is it makes people feel less alone so I think that you know from kind of fairly light topics such as the menopause all the way through to sing like pornography your child sexual abuse the more we talk about these things the less than comfortable people will feel and the less places that shame will have to hide and Fester Ruth McDermott the storytelling consultant and listen to Woman's Hour thank you for giving us your thoughts and of course.

I would really like to hear what you think about that Woman's Hour series on photography which is still running and is available on sons or indeed anything you've heard on BBC audio one quick and easy way to do that.

It's just to find yourself a quiet corner and recorder WhatsApp voice note and send it to 334544 you can also ring the same number and leave a voice message or email is feedback at BBC

UK and we are at BBC Radio 4 on social media I spoke to Radio 4 controller about the schedule changes coming into play on April 1st he answered your questions and comments about among other things the Archers omnibus moving and the media show been extended for the interview prompted a big reaction clearly song that is really able touch with Radio 4 listeners incredibly good.

Can't believe it Hillary Loscoe the revamped schedule has been designed to give audiences what they want most when they wanted but knowing about we might still want to hear but won't be able to I am not against refreshing the schedule, but open this on what will lose as well as what we will gain would be welcome.

Feedback it's Karen Dunbar here.

I was very surprised how outrage some of your correspondence were when they discovered that the new schedule doesn't fit their personal circumstances perfectly but there was one part of the interview with no that attracted particular attention.

Did you consult audience of the audience on this is how we can sort the audience audience research Consulting the audience.

We find out we look at audience listening behaviour and we also talked about Carrie Pearson BBC management always referred to audience research when justifying their actions, but such research is never made to the public anyone who knows anything about the psychology of this sort of research knows it has more to do with how the questions are posed John Henderson from Frome in Somerset consultation would be publicising the changes to the general public some months in advance audience research involves Consulting only a limited number of people and we don't really

What changes were made as a result hello? This is Lawrence Wales yes another controller tells the listening public want to listen to and when were the results of the audience polling presented is it truly representative? It's all very well to say we have decided but who has and one of the justifications.

So what role did audience research play in the decision to reject schedule is that conducted who's asked to take part well.

I'll be getting answers to those questions or certainly try my best to from Alice in winter the BBC's head of audience for you and education in next week's feedback, so do please let us know if you've got any other questions and I'll put them to her now.

It's a 1 schedule change which has raised many listeners tweet of the day on Radio 4 has been waking called from many of us for the past 11 years, but there's not up with the larks.

It's 90 seconds of birdsong just

6 a.m.

But from April it will disappear from the weekday schedule tweet of the day becomes tweet of the week and we'll know I'd only on Sundays here's a hypocrite explanation for the first time in a long time being originating new tweet of the day on a Sunday we've been Monday to Friday it's gone back to find me stay cos we think it's important right now to give for me stay as much time as possible, but we've been repeating tweet of the day but we have to be able to afford to run it 5 days a week for quite a while these have not been originations open repeat what we now doing is putting new recordings on a Sunday for the audience which of course we'll be there for people to listen to on Sundays and throughout the week on Saturday but we haven't been able to do it takes day 7-days a week.

No well since Saturday night so many listeners have made it abundantly clear that.

The week is just not enough Savannah and I can Woodlands is the home hyacinth macaws no feedback.

My name is Ruth from Farnham in Surrey and I'm so sad to hear that tweet of the day is to be reduced to tweet of the week.

I listen to Michael Palin on the world at 1 on Monday and he gave a very good defence for it.

I think it was very good start to the day or very often but the idea of it starting the day with the other call me.

It's like a little in Tulum I mean if it cost too much then obviously other presenters are getting paid more than I'm very sad.

It was a very English thing to do and I think it was as far as I know much love surely.

There are other programs that.

Manage better to reduce their costs which would have a lovely 2 minutes of nature each morning to continue Geoffrey Mallet calling from Esher the day.

I only want the week.

No no no it's so fast and ridiculous to remove the Beloved little jewel from the daily schedule.

This is Deborah from doing in Perthshire I think it is an excellent idea to give the time taken up with tweet of the day back to him today which is too short now.

I won't miss the daily tweet at all as I think it is run.

Its course hello.

This is Jane from Hastings please do not let them take away the daily tweet now more than ever It's Time of terrible nature depletion in the UK we need to hear the birds singing otherwise we will forget what they sound like.

Fight for their survival please don't silence the birds well as tweet of the day has dropped such a chord with so many of you.

We thought we'd Delve a little deeper into hi there are actually made Chris Watson a wildlife sound recordist has recorded many the bird songs you might wake up to always enjoy waking up too bird song and that is for me was the key of the success of tweet of the day that it was a daily occurrence like we hear birdsong or bird sounds all around a daily basis throughout all the seasons and so there'll be a whole freely in radio terms and where the birds aren't singing on on weekday mornings and perhaps something more course at weekends.

Liking any wildlife film or Television or radio programme the performers aren't that predictable he can identify where they're being a time but not you can't currently that they go to perform and so it is it's a time-consuming process, but I really value that time on location what I've really loved about kodi for tweet of the day is that it's a very individual solo process you cannot share that moment when you're out and location wearing headphones, so love about three of the day.

Is it when those songs that broadcast my work is then broadcast to a much wider audience of potentially millions of people worldwide so I can take people to the place where that bird was singing with my microphone and girl from this idea of this solo idea of just hearing those words through my headphones to then here.

broadcast internationally on the radio

I think one of the keys to the success tweet of the day is that intimate sound at the sounds recorded for tweet of the day or very close up in terms of perspective as soon as a clarity and an individual perspective to it, which really helps you focus your attention on this sounds because you've been away that we don't often hear birdsong if I go and stand outside in my back garden.

I can hear blackbirds and robins and ren's and blue tits and great tits in traffic, but they are widely used in this sort of in some respects in the background the real beautiful idea with treating the days.

It allows you for a short period to focus on the individual songs circular birds and that can really transform use as part from being jealous.

Life-affirming Ian energising interesting and exciting it's hearing an actual world.

From class a unique perspective and I think that's why people warm to it, because they can they got something interesting to tune into and take with for the rest of the day it can be quite a challenge the black grouse featured here we recorded in the Highlands of Scotland in the middle of April just above Aviemore so cold which is very dry and black-grass displayed have a common all this place.

I called a lek and the male Birds gather basically to impress the females around mid to late April and they do these incredible dancers and choreographed movements, but they also call not really sorry, but have his powerful explosive bursts of song and these crackles is the males rival each other so I had to put microphones, but it carefully around the leg size which is 10 m.

And then Barry microphone cable said you couldn't disturb the vs.

Tiny microphone and buried cables back to the the edge of the forest.

Where are they now and the night out there in the forest so the microphones were in place when the birds arrived at 4 the following morning and this a lot of this display the sounds that you're here actually made in the darkness Before Dawn enjoy hearing some new episodes of Treat of the day what one thing I think there was always important to me as the singular ask so because tweet of the day paid on a daily basis.

There was a familiarity with perhaps not always with a recognition with the species, but you could wake up to the individual bird and is really something energising about that something life-affirming on a daily basis.

Before I even go outside was thank you to tweet of the day sound recorder to Chris Watson and just a reminder that feedback is one of the programs affected by the schedule changes from I'll be here on Thursdays at 3:30 p.m.

Rather than Friday or Sunday program remains the same and of course all episodes of feedback are available anytime on BBC sign and if you hit the subscribe button the program will appear every week in your personal feed plenty of ways to listen and thank you so much for listening and giving us your feedback goodbye.

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