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We welcome back Rebecca Cooney inside broadcast hello.

I'm very good.

Thank you.

I was looking at things that you've been writing and you at the London TV streaming going to the coverage around it.

So yeah.

We do a hot picks where we asked the distributors to send us the things.

The best and then we can pick a favorite but we also look at what can you tell from the submissions about? What is it distributors think it's going to be the big the big hitting the trend for the next 8580 months ago.

So you know a couple of years ago.

We were talking about to a previous thing at Comic-Con there was lots of there was a bit more and moved towards dramedy which is a portmanteau.

I really hate comedy drama then, where is this seems to be a lot more in the way of strimmers in the way that something and it comes perennially popular that sort of and it's a theory that I've heard really that people looking for escapism either in kind of warm and fluffy or in I'm going to increase the Dark Side of Life in this way and then not think about how it's happening in the real world, so I think I need to press Gazette UK

Take me to Jamie East End of the show this week about his landing at the Daily Mail and everything's been up to podcasts like this time last year.

Oh, yeah the Daily Mail was doing the trial of Lucy letby.

Really unusual and unprecedented forecast where the following the trail of you see that be as it's everyday.

There's a new podcast and then but the male didn't really have anything else in place with podcast and then and that worked and then they had Jamie last summer and he's coming he's basically been given kind of a vision from the owner Lord Rothermere of how everything should connect his said he was very complimentary is Lord walk the walk on wanting to be a 360-degree me.

Where is other companies just say the words and say yeah, it's been given like creative freedom and his building out a whole da strategy.

Got I think I think it's four other podcast of started since he's joined and he said they've got 19 in pre-production so quite a lot to think of another comparable company doing that number or planning that number so I think it'll be 1 to watch and you know he doesn't that like they're not all going to be a massive successes and they will be like the trial of Lucy letby, which got loads of admiration but you know even if it's just a few are then that's pretty you're going so we'll see you so yeah.

He did say like there's no shame in it doesn't work.

So I think a lot of people kind of get stuck on it and I think it's embarrassing to stop it but actually let you know if you think about it if it's not doing that well, not many people have seen it anyway.

Yes that much just just try new thing or you know learn from that and then my mum so yeah, it will be interesting to see what the male and it's Sister titles comes up with scene.

Is it the male to rent private again or the required all of the shares for the shareholders if you are the owner of everything you get to this? I don't you get side where the money goes if you have invested something into easier to make the happy when you have to worry about it one else they can have a longer-term vision rather than thinking about the next kind of years financial profit for just that year and being able to invest and then think will in a few years that will really pay off a little futureproof us that is just something that would be hard to do if it'll still public.

What was so stay at with Kate gater course we are the Princess of Wales apologise this week for a photo released by the palace that have been the subject of a kill notice by AP which sounds very dramatic Charlotte what is a KM so basically.

It's when the agencies say this photo doesn't meet our editorial standards, you shouldn't use.

Get rid of it.

You know palette from publication or from your internal systems make sure it isn't used again.

This is a slightly unusual case in that the photo was distributed by on social media, so I think it's a bit harder to just tell people don't use it but I think it shows that the agency is don't want to have been seem to have verified it when they realise that they're all these issues with it and you know that hearing some of them speak afterwards.

They were like literally the problems with that so obvious actually I mean Phil Chetwynd from afp.

Sorry to mention it on the media show this week.

It was very good because he he literally spoke about how the agencies that like met up on a zoom call for doing this which I didn't realise so it wasn't like one of them when and then they will follow it like that.

Yeah, you're right that is dodgy.

Let's let's distance ourselves from that and he also said that like it happened, so really this get the sort of kill metres and it's usually pictures of shoes from like the North Korean as Russia you know the places that you wouldn't normally Trust on all photos out of touch that changed what push this over the edge for them to react in quite a dramatic difference between like touching up slightly like maybe the lighting or something and changing the like truth of the story photo like if they think it cost any doubt on whether that seem actually happened, then you know we use Google's like pick the best smiles of all the children that they just don't know.

Palace fully annotated photo and they didn't provide it so in that case you just can't trust it.

You can't go but it might be fine.

You know I think it's right for them to have a hard line on this because they're entire product is built on trust both from the audience is the ultimately see their pictures and other content and from the publishers that work with them so if I think it's they take a strong position on this then they would on every other piece of gluten as well.

I think it's the president but at the same time thinking like that thing about it sounds like it was a photo of I don't know a police officer a protest with astray, then you changed it to draw a line somewhere and go with just not take you messed around with the consumer perspective you as well said it was published on Instagram if they sort of sent it out to the

Do the public understand that cos it's come through it's likely to have been touched this doesn't really matter because you know it has been quiet because operation and everyone's gone.

Where is she? Where is she and you just think the one thing you need to do when you put a photo out is not have it.

Obviously have been digitally in some way to order something that probably would have shut up a lot of that's the story from the wedding ring scenario.

How is the picture? What a call with some colleagues they went I bet you they get her out today.

You know the proof of Life type.

She is fine shot car and support you know it's not a real person probably very much for the truth, but they seem to be continually mess this up.

Yeah, I think it's absolute PR disaster.

Like oh my god, OK that's really weird pinching out my phone I can see that and I'm not a picture as I'm not her picture of a designer and I'm going yeah, I can see what's wrong with that you just think there must be somebody else can I just take a look? What have you done to it? Yeah, I can see that's happened.

Maybe not too sure about Sunday papers that covers the photo auditions didn't they will later visions they didn't sort of spot anything and then it was going to everybody jumping on social media to point it out like Kensington Palace was probably not anymore a trusted source to them, so they wouldn't feel why would you there's no president to be zooming in and checking those?

Thinking to look for it as conspiracy theories on the internet will let you know like yes it started with them, but it was right you know why would they and generally used to take photos like that from like the palace in another reliable sources in good faith, but it does make the point that press photographers been talking about this week of like just hand images being an issue.

It's also an issue with like Downing Street they have an official photographer for the prime minister and sometimes they exclude like independent press photographers from being like big moments, but then we'll hand out these pictures from number 10s photographer and obviously there's just a level of trust with those photos that you don't have compared to press.

That is where you trust him because you know that there is certain procedures.

They would always do and not do well.

There's more on this story and I hope your operation plus tablet bakery in the two mats.

If you want to get more of it in the two minutes ok moving onto another soap opera this time out the Telegraph will they won't they be bought by a red bird I buy with quite a bit Consortium what's the latest news on the time before I feel like I did a whole spiel about that as well, but this week blue make a report saying that News UK and again back to Lord Rothermere dmgt with considering or in talks too kind of kitchen to red bird.

I'm ideal and that would result in reducing their state which might make the deal more palatable to the government scrutinising.

It is not clear like how reliable that report is like I think dmgt did say will you know we're not in talks with them?

I don't know but it was very good.

Yeah.

He can see the logic and obviously a News UK it seems that there are most interested in The Spectator and that angle with it, but then midweek.

I think it working Wednesday in the Lords were the digital markets bill has been having it's kind of third reading Tina style was amendment that would kind of just stop foreign government ownership all together and then the government said we are doing this week.

We are going to go onto the yeah.

Yeah, so it's you know he doesn't like site the Telegraph specifically, but it's about foreign state ownership.

I think it's unclear whether it would stop even that minority stake or or whether the weather like in be involved at all or whether they just can't have a majority take a think there are still a few question marks but basically is a game-changer and look at it and you've got you now.

Aviva standard you got Australian owners of the sun and the 70 times this has been designed to stop a single deal rather than think more about the the true Nature of Media party in the UK that has been a very political issue like you and you know why they've done it because you know is different to those ones use site and the ft own Japanese company because it's a foreign state Like You Way royal and member of government lies and you know this is obviously isn't part of it is also a fact that you only have kind of press freedom concerns as well.

There's it that it is different to all those other kind of foreign companies in in a very key way.

I mean you wouldn't even want the UK government to buy it you know wedgie so kind of what's the Norwegian wealth fund there ok to do what they want the most important.

It's all free movies one of the kind of super indie group that owns a lot of production companies in the UK and it is just going to be a massive deal if it goes through absolutely that was very less concerned because there is that issue about different to TV production and even slightly less noise about it, but yeah, it is interesting that they do seem to be kind of yeah.

Kind of getting as a lot of medium-sized low concern from the prime minister.

It's a bit of a murder slow.

Aspinwall is to lead the New Look Newsnight team of the podcast newscast is already televised.

Do you think they might switch news like the other way? I think it's possible.

I think it is really interesting that there has been this kind of moving in podcasting towards can a visual mediums as well and and also that yes or no answers for visual mediums are like.

Oh, yes, I would like my same people on my podcast on my phone when I go on while I'm doing other things so I think it's possible and I think we were saying last night on the show that about kind of the town of the kind of investigative opportunities in sort of British media and where podcasts are still doing quite well at that and when all the jobs will cut it Newsnight that a lot of it was reporting that was going and they have been the last Bastion of that quite a while but not quite fit and not last Bastion but one of the sort of the few remaining place for it yeah.

Yeah, so if that's what kind of keeps.

Keeps you know that sort of going then great almost there.

No brainer know it's kids good quality political chat get it when you wake up.

You'll be missed it in the night before it comes to mind those actually from my chat with Jamie's shout out again, but he did he explicit he said that he hates when people like make podcast video and I guess it kind of goes the other way around because when it's being filmed.

It's obviously new night which presumably if you did that still be you just not do you think that you wouldn't audio and it like it just means it's not such a good audio experience like for example.

Just you know just ringing someone instead of surname or no explain something that comes up on a van on the screen or all they sort of techniques, so I think you would have to think like that you can't you can't just transplant it, but I do agree with the principle that if as it is.

Interview on discussion thing I mean that's basically what a lot forecast for the last week.

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Oh, sorry hey I need to be fed.

Real Littles to learn copywriting it's very close to what was the copyrighted material and that is something that legally whistle there are also issues around diversity and around by getting a bit fed into a i thicken fishing stuff tends to be around it out as often it if you feel a lot white faces in it's not very good at reproducing back faces faces and and then you end up with this kind of Fiat this biased going on or are you know if it takes me turn off the internet which is quite racist it probably will spit out racism or sexism or whatever and also some of the guys have gone to the last couple of weeks by creating more diverse Nazis and they sort of other things like the balling human creativity responsibility and accountability as she said by minimising bias data privacy you can choose not to go in.

Where it's getting missed information from stop trying to say they are also trying to dismiss it as it's against both of them and they basically saying you times over again.

You know the way that it's claiming that people would use chat 2PT and therefore reducing their articles within that just doesn't help people with use would use it brought up the fact that like Hollywood opposed the arrival of vcrs in the 1970s and said it's it's like that and doesn't matter but you can be annoyed at the moment, but that is exactly but there is the crucial flooring that in the vcrs.

Didn't still the copyright.

Recover Rebecca TV companies worried about AI or are they not getting through yet, but the market you look at and there are people obviously brightest rights America was this concerned about AI and you know what I think we're still a really long way off them.

You know a TV show completely I hope the next succession is not going to be written by a computer but you know one of things that a lot of writers were expressing concern about was that you know there's kind of prep work and the research and thought of you know drawing up season things that they used to get paid for and are increasingly sort of thing as well.

You know could you just do that as a show of willing before we give you the job and of course if you've got to do it for you for you, then that's a straight part of their income that has just gone so there is that there are parts of the industry that are in bracing it and explain what has been using it for you busy if you've got like a camera.

Hello yes and using AI to be like when did the volcano when did it do something interesting in the week? When did the baby come out to have some for researchers and have to watch a week's worth of footage identify anything interesting happened it can come off so and you know going through and so there are there is donkey work that can be taken out by and I think that the industry is interesting but it's where I get back human creativity and human work, but it's sort of where is it taking so the jobs and and and and possibilities away from people turned up to the creativity example.

They could look at 20 volt holes to look after a couple can manage to find that information and that doesn't save your money but enhances your program.

Is a bit of me that thinks like there are in every news report Italia like for 24-hour news cycle.

There are new stories for your like.

This is just a press release that we're eating are you still think actually if you could get AI to do but at the end of illegal things and accuracy that reporters to do more of this investigative shoe-leather journalism, but there isn't the spec pasty for but at the same time Media Amazon can hear my program that we're at the press releases that means I through portals can do stories.

It's going to be only need one reporter which is the depressing think it depends on the type of company like for private or public and where you can invest I mean newsquest to be fair like the reason.

I probably are doing exactly that already like someone in the company came up with this.

I say I ate all the daylight the pressure release type stuff and then you know when there's a big story like like when that tree was cut down able to send someone out like just to focus on there.

Kind of the stuff that had to just go in the paper could just be kind of done by and then checked at the end, but in that someone could be out of the office and I think that is quite good, but she was that not all publishers.

Would do that.

I think it might admit to feeding a new story into chat GPT and you want to know what actually came out not please don't reply that's like I wouldn't mind the eyes reading them not to write them up justify got this is good with somebody in this lovely really you rather than Murcia people in boxes saying that there was a growing need for third party funder from overseas, what's he talking about so I mean this is a trend across a lot of TV more widely.

I think in some ways, but essentially back in the old days if you run a production company you would go and pick your show I will make this show to say the commissioner at a channel the Christmas yes, I like that off.

You.

Go now where for various reasons most outlets have less money than they used to a production is costing more and more with us inflation production inflation happens because of everything goes up.

It's just getting more and more so now commissions the same call his the money go find the other 40% and the way they're doing that is by going out to the distributors.

That was seeing at places like on TV screens with these companies that basically just buy into the production of the shapes who previously you made your show it would have been on the channel and then some point you've had the right internationally to go and Celsius distributors now the beginning or a broadcaster another country so maybe Australia

Come on and give you the other half of the money which means that you can make your show and the BBC gets shot here and it's raining broadcasting is showing Australia and that's working but obviously that is just so much more work to do before you get your show made any kids TV particularly because they don't own kiss you are chatting to a few times and he's actually about 100 episodes of In the Night Garden be reduced, because they're having to bring them in at source or they're having to sell them out to other broadcasters.

It's just a minute and that sort of telling me that CBeebies CBeebies chance for Success may only 10 to 20% of the work.

You have to do to get that going.

I hope you're going to talk some lunch boxes afterwards.

Set the lounge everything else is really important.

I am I for a bit of cash is that is that the answer I mean response to Sweet Like will we thought we UK media was a good place to rest and clearly not but maybe get them with some new stuff while it's hot who is this week in title top of the pods Edison research from America they released their third quarter survey of British podcast listening, but can you guess where is popular pods land in the survey datasets are available with your name if you know the answer to Charlotte you'll say you'll say play top of the pods you can imagine the music rights issues in the top 25 podcast in the UK who's at number one for the third quarter running.

Unsafe UK listeners not presented by somebody from the UK is it it is the Joe Rogan Experience sadly is the number one podcast in the UK now? There's not to Spotify I most probably going to go up even further in future quarters.

Some people which show is not only at number 16 in the Edison shot, but is also the only British show in the US equivalent as well.

Anyone, please, so black show doing well, UK and us things were.

Where are they? Not aware of that doesn't kind of cut through just as a really good job can still make it and then that's all I got back to you.

I think that's really great but there are no no they won't because I was going to say like the best friend and that's for those that have the talent the names are the ones that seem to be doing that with conventional Wisdom is the name to do well, so I think that's amazing that it's it's something that is kind of coming from sawgrass.

I'm sure I can mission his taking a look at that to see where they can be enjoyed on at the three.

What is the highest rated BBC podcast in the chair?

Rebecca is it on can anybody if you can?

Play guess by for number 11 outside the top 10 BBC worried.

They can't they can't break the top 10 of this list skip for all the commercial in a lot of all the challenges for them.

So maybe a kind of says don't you know it's not the top 10s all BBC you still got plenty of space and people like your stuff, so what things to break out to anybody else, but yeah, I do find there are some things where like the Friday Night Comedy podcast I really like but it to get the latest we have to have it on BBC and I normally have a podcast at some point I go.

Oh, that's probably go and have a look but I have to remind myself to go and look for content there rather than just going on my normal app.

So yeah, I mean work or it hasn't I don't forget maybe I would listen more and they would have more downloads if it if it was just coming up in my regular podcast speak to wait.

I don't know I suspect probably that is partly what's doing it, then.

You start the sacrifice that making to have that data because they must have loads of data who's listening to what and what they can promote and maybe that is just more valuable.

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