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Please Industries dyna-form ITV News who's giving special access to number 10 for half hour programme with Rishi Sunak will hear about the practicalities of making that but first we talk about former Fox news anchor Tucker Carlson because he's going to interview radomir Putin this will be the first one-on-one interview that Putin's granted to a Western journalists since he ordered Russia's invasion of Ukraine that speak to Brian stelter Media analyst special correspondent Vanity Fair and author of two books about Fox News and first of all Francis Russian Media specialist at BBC monitoring and Francis let's start playing Western journalist haven't wanted to interview Putin in fact even the Kremlin is corrected that that's right bloody uprooting spokesman, Dmitry peskov came back today and said the simply wasn't true he said that.

Add rejected multiple requests from major, Western outlets to interview Putin but said they had no desire to speak to media which they described as not objective which of course is the question of why they think Tucker Carlson is different and his trenchant support for Putin and criticism of his alinsky in the last couple of years my offer some clues and you think the interview when it's released will also be seen in Russia or Tucker Carlson is a very familiar face to Russian TV viewers his show on Fox News are excerpts of his monologues sizing the White House in its foreign policy at length across Russian TV and I think it is fairly safe to assume that the same will happen when this interview is eventually released Brian stelter.

Let's bring you in good to have you back on the media.

Show why do you think type of cars on doing this beyond the fact that clearly is an interview lots of people would like to get.

Is Brandon he wants to be back in the centre of the action the centre of attention the way he was in the United States for years when he was the host of the biggest highest rated show on Fox News has lost the plot has lost a lot of fame and fortune by being fired from Fox and now he's trying to rebuild online with a streaming network this interview with Putin is his biggest.

You know what sort of speak so far, but as you are just pointed out.

It is incredibly in a crash at the commercial calculation by Carlson solo tours Orleans to claim other not interested in a room with any drill a shower and now we're going to see what Carol Turner questions call us and ask them what kind of performance he puts on I think it's safe to bed.

That is going to put on a Pro Russia and Ukraine perform well.

We'll see when the interview comes out and I want to hear more about castles efforts to build his own Media entity but Francis look at this for a Russian perspective.

What's the calculation for Putin why say

When he could quite easily say no and it does say no to most interview request not just Western ones.

I think this gives Putin and interesting platform to speak to us voters ahead of the election today a prominent Russian Colin this actually wrote this would give fruit in an opportunity to tip the scales in the right direction ahead of November he said that Putin's comments would be used in the presidential campaign and The Putin would be fully aware of this and not averse twist in terms of his platform for speaking to a domestic audience.

I think he's long said everything to say he's had plenty of opportunities in Q&A sessions and televised speeches.

I think heavy the US perspective is much more interesting than what we going to see domestically and just to be absolutely explicit was saying your argument is the Putin would prefer Donald Trump to win the election if he's chosen as the nominee for The Republicans Donald Trump has made clear that he could end the war in.

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He says and realistically given the current state of affairs this would have to be in some kind of Ukrainian capitulation which is obviously not what the current administration once and away from the interview with Tucker Carlson is Putin exposed to any scrutiny certainly not from from domestic Media he's absolutely hand strong.

What was left of the Free Press in Russia one prominent opposition journalist really had a scathing reaction to what Tucker Carlson said yesterday is accusations of did not being allowed to present his arguments and she said that like hundreds of the Russian journalist.

She was given a choice between Exile and jail and the ne22 lecture to those kinds of independent journalist bye-bye Carson was nothing less than cynical the Russian Media Brian let's bring you bring you in on the American media.

How is Tucker Carlson

On creating his own entity the Tucker Carlson network I believe it's called that is inclined to believe what he says is already inclined to be there very and ordinary paranoid rabbit hole.

It is a remarkable evolution of a figure who was in was within mainstream conservative party tonight someone who was recognisable libertarian conservative figure that was 510 years ago.

What's happened since it has become this who in sesame contrarian on most every level on almost every issue, who sells his swimming at work as a solution to the problem he claims in this out there about the lying to you.

It's what we've seen a course again and again from the Trump's of the world that they actually know the truth, but isn't he also simply tacking from where the audience was which is Lilia cable.

CV2 where the audience might be Richard digital platforms weather in Dover YouTube borax or elsewhere.

Yeah, you're right wing violence and two ways one ideologically in the US as radicalised create a minute Court members and drop them further to the right person is in that same direction and yes, he is moving into a streaming world where you can reach more people.

It is notable that person said his video from Moscow to the centre of you on x without any restriction to censorship so in other words person work with musket head of time on this interview that is very interesting that's very cute person also Carmarthen claim.

Social networks will try to send her to shut this interview down.

There is no evidence of that of course but his entire world view is it everyone's out to get him and get his followers and he's reaching for your people online, please reach and more hardcore dedicated loyal fan base is not reaching millions of people every night the way was on Fox but he is reading this friends that will hang on his every word.

Easy to fireball business model for a media personality and use personality in America to leave a huge establish network like Fox News and set out on is it viable it is viable but so far we have not seen people be able to make more money that way you know it is still still the beating heart of the gop the network by for on the right and that is still be the prophet engine if you want to be hurt, but I think it is possible for us in a go out.

Get a million subscribers make several million dollars a year and profit that will work for him, but can be as influential figures like one of these only options and by the way crossy streamlistener review for free well.

We'll have to see what adjectives the attached to the interview when we see it which we haven't done yet, but Francis the point that Brian was making.

Tucker Carlson saying look I'm going to put this whole interview out.

I never said you can see it for yourself.

Do you think the unedited version will be available in in Russia and if it is what platforms would Russian Media can see used to access this would imagine this will be all over Russian state tv.

Which remains the main source of news for most Russians about two-thirds of people in the country.

Get their news from there, but so this story is being over telegram the main social Media platform in Russia with Tucker Carlson every move in Moscow well documented his visit to the ballet his visit to the supermarket and any journalist attempting to get a questioning with him in his hotel so I think it's safe to say this story will continue to dominate in Russia for the next few days Francis Brian thank you very much indeed the score from BBC monitoring and Brian stelter the author and analysts also here on the media.

Show is ITV News as deputy.

Please go to the news.

Well, we're talking to you because you've got what you've had two programs out you have a TV profile of labour's Keir starmer and now you have one with the prime minister.

That's coming out is called Rishi Sunak up close and with other locations as well.

You were allowed to film with Mr Sunak as he helped his daughter's get ready for school at a little bit of that go on the road.

Where are you eating? I'm just going to have to have it now and she doesn't think I used to do when they were little all the time.

I should explain the name of one of the prime minister's daughter's can you set something like this up.

What are the rules of engagement that you agree with the prime minister's press team?

I mean we wouldn't accept any relations in terms of how we do.

This is what we want to ask about what we do.

You say is that we want to get that we want to show a more personal sign guess.

I'm at first and then Rishi Sunak so obviously looking for other things about their lives and you know we're both of them.

I wanted to go back to where they would understand a bit more about the political driving to where they are now.

I mean what you getting the end Ross is a very different to a piece of my day-to-day job which is the interview both Keir starmer and she's doing that regularly and they are and they are more you know you like watching the program.

It was much more conversational this as you point out than a traditional interview.

What are the up?

Downsides of that type of exchange and absolutely does a journalist that you don't always have to be combat it with politicians to get stuff out of them.

There are other where you know if I think about talking to university going through photographs of his time there and what he wrote when you can actually be able to see that stuff about him.

Perhaps some dishonesty when he was you know campaigning for Jeremy Corbyn and another news journalist that they tried so hard to get that from and they haven't got it and I hope to be but we are there to talk to them in a different setting and in that setting I do believe sometimes and it's funny because if you can sort of see the moments where they are slightly more defensive political and into the human mode and sometimes even when they've been personal.

Got be on that because of the time that we had with both of you know but I still interested in both cases, but we have time to sit down and really interrogate key policy.

Do you ever feel like you're getting to hear them and see them as they are or they still in performance mode just a different type of performance.

I think I got to see who the real person is this one of the things that gets criticised for being boring and understand that kind of very personal criticism.

I mean I feel the same way that I haven't seen him before and I'm through that we had really interesting on the saying she's about things which don't tend to come up in your day today.

Time there was a lot of racism people like a conversation about you and you see the program will see that particular conversation that also see you go to Southampton with him and film with a number of locations.

Just help people listening understand when they come to watch these exchanges.

What's actually happening behind the scenes so we can see you and we can see the prime minister.

There's obviously a crew who's filming the exchange by the prime minister's Media team just a couple of is the side at all times that we're not German less than having a normal chat and a normal day, but they are more than natural scenario, then you get day today.

So when will walking down his Street

When we go back to the pharmacy.

Yes the cameras are there but he's genuinely the pharmacy if I should say where his mum his mum and every word, but it is a more natural circumstances, which I think you know I got a bit of a shower and I'll get it with Rishi Sunak people are really quite negative about politicians at the moment as well in the country play wonder by the way.

We had a cost-of-living crisis.

We had a massive loss of trust because of you know scandals like party gay people that don't feel very warm towards politicians and what we do in the film.

Did we show the human side of both and I'm sure that's going to be some people going.

I just want you to spend half an hour shouting at them about this is not the settings to do that if I see different colours.

Sometimes and Rishi Sunak Media team has actually agreed to arrange a different exchanges with journalists in the last couple of weeks what you've done with him, but he's also done a number is Rachel Burden on 5 Live Piers Morgan next week.

It'll appear on the GB news People's Forum why do you think it is that the prime minister's team and the prime minister himself have decided? This is the time to agree to a raft of Media Appearances like this.

What's the plan important things going on here to see the difference between Labour and Conservatives Conservatives are in a dietitian in the past probably you know but it was very very difficult convinced that the person they know behind the scenes is different to the guy who's seen as awkward and attach when he's on the street.

There was a sense of someone who had left to lose the Labour and the one thing they think they can do is let's throw everything out this let's let people in the risk of that of course is that you might be more out of touch or he might be seen as it was more awkward situation, but I think is what they feel.

They want to thank you very much for telling us about the program.

It's called Rishi Sunak upclose.

It's on ITV 1 and ITV X on Thursday at 8:30 p.m.

As ever was good.

Thank you very much for coming onto the istana next announcement from the BBC it plans to launch.

It's first new radio stations for over 20-years.

They're all music is director of music at the BBC on here with me and the media show studio tell us more so we know that music stations have to respond.

The changing habits the different ways that people are consuming music and that means that they are telling us.

They want more choice.

They want more choice from the BBC the job that I have to do is to secure the live stations on mother brands, but also be able to talk to these opportunity audiences and the ones who don't you listen lightly and give them more choice and the reason why doing that is because the BBC is not offering value to everyone there are groups of the the UK who we don't get enough from us.

So thinking about the future these four stations which talk to the young and also talk to see to you and older allows us to do that but those gaps in the BBC's output of being a parent evidently to people across the industry for sometime because commercial radio in a range of ways has moved into those spaces is this decision?

The BBC or is it for the audience because you could argue the audiences getting these services from commercial radio already know I don't agree with that.

I would say that what the BBC has always offered music is distinctive programming.

So you look at a station Lite Radio 2 today Radio 2 is trying to do everything it hasn't changed.

It's policy.

It is talking to all over 35, but it's quite a unique offer it's doing everything from Jazz to country heater folk it also has current affairs in the middle of the day.

This is unique music station that current affairs offer with Jeremy Vine is reaching over 5 million people that is a healthy multi-genre offer but you're adding a radio two sisters and that sister station is reacting to the needs of what the audience tell if they want which is they want a more streamlined BBC offer so I could give you examples of what do I mean?

Sync two distinct from the BBC means that we can Delve deep into archive nobody has the Arco that we have which literally tracks the last 60 years of music make the biggest impact around new artists new music.

We take risks around that when nobody else does that's what I mean about distinctive if you go into the Nostalgia space.

It's not simply about getting the best nostalgic records and playing them in the right order with a very talented set of presenters.

There's more to it than that and that's why the offer is different just a weekly the sister station to Radio 2 will be playing music that is coming from the 50s 60s and 70s primarily aimed at the baby boomer listener bracket.

It's 50s 60s and 70s.

That's the that's the area of music that the audience as they want more of and that's what we want to offer we won't work over the audience are in a minute will speak to someone who's

Station that also targeted audience for first of all let bringing jewel Hind who covers the TV and audio markets at Enders analysis, hi Jill thanks very much for coming on the programme.

How much of a moment is this for the radio industry is a really powerful lemon touch me it's so if we look back at the moment Radio is very strong in the UK but listening has changed changed dramatically over the last year so we know it's not that point with BBC basically had the vast majority of very good frequency and a huge audience as well.

So I'm 60% and then we can have the launch of digital radio apps of 21 years ago and that's why it's fabulous additional stations and 2002 and has come or spectrum availability and so we see her levelling up within that to the commercial sector now actually has more spectrum which means more digital spectrum and the BBC which means it's been able to launch a plethora of

Stations I've been able to innovate within this space a couple with that the commercial sectors have quite favourable regulation recently so has been able to consolidate and what we see now with letter lots of network local station so capitals or hearts of the world that are based the basically local stations feeding with local news, but network programming has been a lot of innovation within the commercial sector and sent on the BBC hasn't been able to do any of this is what were actually seen that even though total radio strong.

We've got a dramatic change in fortune between UPVC and commercial.

Just briefly go before I bring it from boom radio.

Why hasn't the BBC been able to do it won't stop innovating like the commercial operators to do it no more.

I couldn't do as much within the digital that side of it and also just basically have the BBC is regulated.

It's not allowed to launch any new service unless it goes through a very long huge piece of regulation of BBC Trust

In terms of public interest test and commercial always says they're crowding my space.

So it's not really been able to deliver them to try and let's hear for three significant figure within the commercial space Phil Riley is co-founder of boom radio which is aimed at this as you were born in the rugby the 20 years after the Second World War feel good.

Have you back on the media show? What's your reaction to the BBC's announcement today? Well? What's interesting is I'm looking at the press release here and it says a distinctive take on POP nostalgia of curating the story of pop music by Marilyn from the 50s.

60s 70s are some of the people who shaped the cultural landscape at the time but if you want to hear that.

It's there today on boom radio.

You do not need a new radio station to deliver that that's exactly what would the irony of this is the radio to Lorna didn't say this, but this is the truth Radio 2 vacated the space of serving older listeners by moving the audience.

Play Radio 2 to mood mum's those people in their 30s and 40s we stepped in because there was a gap because the BBC had abandon those listeners to serve them that it's due to the BBC three years after we lost suddenly announce that they now think that serving 60 + listeners with 50s 60s and 70s music is a good idea of a chance to respond but just before that Phil how damaging would this these plans be if they come to pass for your business, but I think any competition is obviously going to affect any encumbered station and it would be ridiculous with m claim that there won't be some effect but we're growing faster.

What are plans are to keep growing and obviously we will respond to any competition don't know what you said film of all.

I think there's room for everyone because as I said before what we do will be completely different to what the market does.

I'll give you an example of what I mean.

I distinctive programming around Australia you can go to BBC sounds right now and you can see a piano room performance from a young performer who was supported by BBC introducing she says in an archive clip which we have how to how she discovered her love for music and how she went from the journey from BBC introducing to Glastonbury to now doing the piano room she is going to perform a Leonard Cohen track and you this is what I mean about the offer nobody in the market is doing that around levels in half an hour piano room output.

There's going to be an awful.

Lot of programme tracks with DJs much like boom radio no because I say we have deep archive we have archive that represents the last 60 years of music what we want to do is to be able to celebrate artist with archive you want to tell the

Elton John he's been making music since the 7th you said that you are targeting the same audiences as feel another but we're doing that now if you look at the latest radar 7 million of Radio 2 audience is over 55 so that's a mixture of lots of different formats and can I ask you if you accept the premise of a licence fee where the whole country is paying for a public service broadcaster.

Isn't it quite right that it involves it's music programming both individual programs BBC sounds and works in order to provide services that work for people all over the country.

Well.

I do find it interesting that other time when the BBC licence fee is under review and the BBC are claiming to be effectively strapped for cash and are treating their existing radio Services such as BBC local radio the to having to take.

Cuts in broadcast output in order to carry on funding them that they have suddenly been able to find well, let's get into that but there's a number of people at number of people lifting may be wondering about that Lorna where's the money coming.

I'm responsible for network music radio stations and TV commissioning.

I can't talk on behalf of what's happening again and say that it is usual to look at our total budget within content and make a decision about what we will spend now and what we will do to make sure that we have to kill for the future is exactly how we paid for BBC sounds in 2018.

It's exactly how we paid for 6 Music Asian Network and one extra.

It wasn't extra money it was recutting what we have and girlfriend analysis finally to you in the End come down and my right to wear the Ofcom says ok.

Yes, I must be a public interest test of the BBC will start a consultation probably next couple of weeks, which will run for probably a couple of months and then after that.

Determine actually when they are crowding out the competition or not and I think you have to sort of differentiate between crowding out of a a global or a Bower who were the two large radio station groups in the UK with bath majority listening who provide many many different services hundreds and hundreds of stations and then so there might be a smaller player in there and then you differentiate between that is looking at the distinctiveness of the outfit.

Thank you very much indeed.

Yours is the last word for dual height for men as an assist Lorna Clarke BBC director of music Phil Riley co-founder of boom radio and Donna from ITV News we also heard from Brian stelter and from Francis earlier in the programme you can hear this edition all editions of the media show on BBC now sounds but for now bye bye the post office Horizon scandal has shocked Britain post office I T scan and it's so much he hasn't over the last I've been following the story for more than a decade.

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