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How are you merry Christmas Christmas Christmas episode amazing story really in the Dog Days of 23 well.

I mean this time of year is always a little bit quieter generally.

It's a big time joking aside.

There's a lot of people particularly in television who have a struggle to this year and continue to struggle and I think that there's not a it would be nice if there was a little bit of light at the end of the tunnel not quite seeing that yet, so

Remaining hopeful and optimistic the 2024 but it is it is pop blind optimism at the moment.

So just got a bit of a bit more wait and see hoping those appearing whatever they're called some green lightsaber.

I would like to get the Grinch come out like that sort of the internet is broadcaster and Spencer how you doing very impressed with the level of decoration in the studio the fantastic super Christmas all of you can watch on the YouTube version of this if you didn't know you can't watch this all on YouTube York City universities of podcasting course I guess you had the first batch breaking for Christmas soon.

How are they all been there fantastic enormously gates of students and to see their first podcast coming out and I'm going to being people for next year already on the course and it's it's going better than we possibly could have hoped that sounds positive.

Because I was just bringing the bleep.

So I'm just trying to be as well as a Christmas present is Netflix with the biggest release of you a data which drops are unexpectedly on Wednesday afternoon been always a little bit quiet about how they show doing obviously posted settlement with the sum of the unions in America the seams the first bit of info that that's come out.

What they what they released during data in h view if I am selling correctly of the of all of their top shows I think the exact number.

I think it's a 18000 hours and above that this is kind of the hours viewed and it's really interesting when it starts releasing data cos it's it shows that you've never heard of that seem to be talking the charts knew it was going on here I think.

Netflix you think of Stranger things in the Crown and obviously at the moment squid game the challenge etc, but actually when you look at the numbers and data.

They released it doesn't seem to be the those shows that get the most heaviest promotion the necessary and getting the most hours view however, I will say this there's a little bit of controversy around what does a little bit of like me because you know if you drilling down into it well if you got to show that has had 15 seasons and is very bingeable then obviously that's going to have a lot of hours.

You'd if you have a Christmas animation for half an hour long.

That's not obviously not gonna have the same amount of hours.

You'd I wonder if they going to release more types of data like for instance.

How many times something has been rewatched? You know if you've got kids like I do my family Patrol is a billion x over exactly the same as you know that show is 5 minutes long.

So you know is that is exactly the same as you but it's had the same number of impressions if that makes sense.

There is always viewing figures always a bit weird disconnect share and it's reaching those numbers and those households and then now that was viewed on top of this and no one can really decide on what is an accurate measure of success as it were I will say already seems to be linked.

I think to that now gone add to because they have now here.

They all need to stop releasing data to demonstrate.

This is how many views getting there for your at York icp-ms and the amount of getting on your data that needs to be linked to other side of which is why I started doing there.

Have you seen the night agents have read the book for a bonus point and it would watch NCIS and Law and Order and that sort of thing it's very much.

I'm not the book wasn't very much in the mould of 24 in the way, they sort of set it up to be an ongoing series.

Batmanstream order doesn't necessarily that will coated for on streaming services are very much about limited series and prestige projects and I think that's what the night agent has tapped into that sort of mainstream Net TV audience who is not not necessarily being flooded with with new content on streaming services, and that's what they do that success and it's made by Sean Ryan he made the Shield and he knows how to make a long-running successful mainstream TV show history show on Netflix at the moment are in the box seat in terms of movies they've got this month.

I've got coming out May December which is Julianne Moore Todd Haynes directed movie as well as Maestro with Bradley Cooper who is Leonard Bernstein and Julia Roberts film which is also based on a book and those films all going to be in the face and they have the things they making a fuss over but they're not really seeing is Attlee

Julia Roberts movie couldn't think of title they're not making a fuss about the data and the movies at the moment because I just said the numbers because it's ours viewed 10 to skew too long running who is Abby Williamson to get some data behind these movies that should be using the movies to get kudos and Oscar Bay rather than to promote the services so how many people are watching them but the filmmakers going want to know how many people are watching their movies in order for them to want to continue to make these questions movies for Netflix it is really really worth watching.

I have just finished squid game challenge in is lost profession shall see that it is a brilliant brilliant shown as I think it's a case with a lot of Netflix shows it's too long.

Can I make the squid game cookie challenge challenge so

It's been made really well.

I also watch Mr beast squid game version I don't think that his version was that different to the moment round your belly is brand recognition that a lot of it.

What would I think it's really inspired by what they did that is that they got the garden involved in garden studio Lambert brilliant and making the garden of make a brilliant and making emotional shows so they really did lean into kind of telling the stories of the individuals when I watch Mr B's content.

It's about me.

It's not about the people that there's nothing that where is this has got some really interesting characters and mother and daughter in there and I've got a bottle of a setup villains and then try have Redemption is a lot.

There's a lot of that is very very well my particularly for a first season yes, yes, I think that like and I think it's important to know I'm going to say this it's made by

Because we are the best in the world at making factual content in particular and we continue to be the best in the world and I can catch your content so I hope everybody's watching that's because I'm coming use a small exactly again the reason for it is the reason for it is because of the the mixed ecology of RPS B&M commercial channels that are able to take risks and able to come and look at 10 on the way, it's not just a tea and a Morris you know you have got a bit more depth and in particular that she comes it will make it ready to be picked the year that sort of we invented John Lewis just when you thought you couldn't do any new in the cops on the space of the medical dramas based.

I thought blue lights on on BBC was incredible look on Facebook to be a sort of homecoming series about policing in Northern Ireland and it was so much more than you recommend that to anybody and I'm not someone that bins you stuff really watch that quite slowly and we watch the whole of the season two nights and the other so which are the medical.

Renewed for second series with malpractice on ITV which is not getting any loving the critics end of year list.

I think there's a bit of snow business because it was on ITV drama perhaps.

I must go to absolute nerves performance by Niamh Algar and I'd recommend that as well.

It was fantastic to all three Media it looks like we've been talking about quite a lot.

He's been doing Telegraph deal looks like he is running the rule over super indeed all three Media City investment firm red bird on the table from Abu Dhabi investors mainly roads are coming in there for all the lady that kind of part of their stable Gogglebox is already mentioned studio Lambert because you're welcome factory television and and they do they do a lot of that squiggly challenges also so all.

They shouted done really well, and you know they do stuff like Midsomer Murders you know they're gone incredible.

They got a very very strong slate of currents up and it will bring it back catalogue as well.

So you're Derren Brown is part of that Peep Show as part of it and all those things sorted you very very well on inventory services like Netflix skimmed over this but actually tests around and said Legacy programming acquisitions or the inventory programming is still makes up at least half of everything is on Netflix is not just the new commissions in so so people that only dogs can still continue to make a little bit of Welsh out of them, so it's spelling pounds lb ITV said no to it kind of earlier this year was late last year.

All three mistake for ITV not to add it to ITV Studios I think that's what's interesting is you know about the album coming but there but the amount of investment that Saudi and Abu Dhabi and Qatar building into Western media properties in an hour Believer WWE live goldfish can take over the PGA tour and and then investing heavily into football there's just one Saudi Arabia on the rights of world cup into Cycles time thinking 2028 32 which will always go by the way that's that's coming and na are also making noises about doing a big acquisition into video games publisher as well.

So you know the idea that all three Formula 1 WWE football golf and and maybe something like Nintendo I mean they're all that is so that's something.

The huge player and I think that they are interested in making big moves and this would be a very big move.

Everything is ITV not to pick it up.

I don't know the answer that is a bit above above my paygrade expert on this clearly football fans and gold fans are really uncomfortable with the amount of money from the area is coming into those sport should the audience care about this? What about who owns the media about who owns and India like before we moved out of the audience care about that.

There has been some question mark there was a few things that happened one is the problem with Jon Stewart which is an Apple TV shows that so that's China the source of said that the reason it's kind of on the way out.

Happy then going too hard on trying to keep are correct and and and for Netflix it was Patriot Act with Hasan minhaj minhaj where they had to cancel that cancel it with a sense of some shows at Christmas

Outside reticular create a attention in the editorial because there are lots of question mark and the Qatar World Cup was part of that sort of Saudi will couple have similar that that does play part of it.

It will be interesting and someone that can be chilling just assumptions correct producers make not even that they've been instructed by someone to do something.

I don't know you know.

I wish I could sit here and tell you the whole fleet of what's on all three Media but I think if you look up what we have in the UK when you look at things like no mobile show reduced and drag race and I kissed a boy and you look at it shows that I can't have it in.

I'm talking a lot of LGBT shows are those at risk if it's only owned by a country that region that is more a conservative when it comes to LGBT rights that you say the least that there may be concerns around that I would argue that it will be interesting to see if that.

Culture forward because once you get into those faces around music and sports and an Innocent television and factual television dramas, etc.

You are going to have to kind of be a bit liberal in your views because your claim to a match international in a wider audience.

I don't believe that we we have stopped having women wrestlers sometimes.

That's the hope whether it it really really push through great.

Would you spend a million quid on all3media? Haven't got a billion quid to spend on you can see what difference is making in football in that I certainly a lot of footballs are going off to play in the Ouija and it's up to the impact on what viewers see in terms of golf because you're not getting all the top golfers playing together so I am injured.

I mean, I'm not a football fan, but I have kind of anecdotally people going amazing out of money is coming in and then Newcastle might win the league now so suddenly there is a bit of a bit like well.

The money is a good thing because we need more investment drama basis football fans, but it makes the weather in different to what the audience sees on screen and programs is open to question but as I said there's an issue their content is she there over what they might be inclined to make was speaking of football.

It's kind of story of the year that Gary Lineker's social media feed his back in the news.

This is after the incoming BBC network issue with a tweet Lineker posted about a member of Parliament

Responding to to Jonathan gullis, MP wasn't it? Yeah? There's one tweet about grant shapps and then there's one about the street.

He said something about the system right.

You know read the the briefing notes for him, and then we Grant that seem a joke about the Quran chapters.

Have a meal and one and like different names of the week is I think that's and so the new BBC impartiality Goddard fairly clear about this that you can't criticise an MP and like making jokes boxing and then when it will look that.

I would argue that it's a bit silly if I start to kind of reprimand Lineker for making about about my problems that invented entire guidelines for garage and I mean.

Taking the mick at the new guidelines if he if he's doing this.

There's a bit of me.

That's like the new chair protector on your chair.

Got into a lot of it.

I thought we should have come up with a bit of a well on the on the face of it, but I want to talk to the team if I become the chair because in effect he said he sort of got to get rid of Gary when he when he wakes up them, but I think I think that might be reading too much into this is it people are really too much into all of this stuff number one no one cares about what people proton and until it gets into the press right.

So it's almost like a weird thing where Twitter is almost turned into some sort of Nike Newswire so no one reads the news wires, but the newspapers say about it, so that's kind of what's happening here.

Where everyone is looking to make a medion or outside it's not there.

Little bit I mean, it's right come on Gary what you know some of the Joker quite good that is quite a good joke that he made that Grant shapps which is kind of like any irresistible nature of Twitter is that when you have a good joke.

You just want to put it out there because it's quite a generally disappear today after in Garry's ansys absolutely not the case because of all of the hype around him and and depressed wanted to see him like that sort of feel like my view is Gary has got all this pressure on him.

He is responsible for crap things that happened to the BBC could you like to make a joke on Twitter if I wish sometimes have a bit more respect for the organisation staff work at the organisation.

Can you constantly causes The Troubles and he does it present sure about football wants a week? I think I think that's I think that's a lot.

I think that broadly true but I also think that as politicians if you can't take a joke from a football pundit like what you doing politics.

I think wytham social media guidelines is really hard.

I mean I I certainly contributed to the writing and social media guidelines when I was at the BBC what sort of written by committee and when I got to be out social media guidelines for staff because they weren't any had to actually writing and orally difficult to apply to everybody across the board and actually apply them in practise is incredibly difficult but I'm not sure everybody appreciate that night city university.

We had Dorothy Byrnes delivering the James Campbell and the moral lecture and she's the former head of news and current affairs of Channel 4 and she was saying what you just saying, what is that? You know there's an audience now the younger audience that I were lying on social media for news and their menu now that believe in my truth rather than an object truth.

You were saying and what she was calling for is she was saying that minister should make tackling misinformation on social media therefore our tea rather than using it to attack public service broadcasters.

Anything decent player I am like themselves Adidas terrex right.

It's either you look at the Tory party, but she looks like you'll be fine if you don't ask in the UK and America is even more insane and they like the limelight and I think about pocket about the phone means that they can they can get those that creates a bit of a weird in balance because we're saying that politicians can do this but if you just do you work for the BBC you can't guess what I would argue if your MP you need to Warrington it like that kind of the word for being a if you don't want to do that as an MP that I don't know if you have a huge amount of criticism space to criticise other people doing it as well.

It's got to be a two-way street in America just picking up on that everyone has her two Twitter accounts.

You have sort of your official.

Is the representatives of Delaware South and then you also have a sort of campaigning accounts? I don't know it's not a great splits, but there's something you don't really have here and maybe the sort of has it leave until his to eat recently.

I've been on the aggressive side.

We forget what it was like when Donald Trump had his account and that wasn't separately Donald Trump it was also play music from my account as well, and this is this is my point is that like when they're both public money right.

We need a public money Gary Lineker is paid for by public money to be a standard that because I don't know what to do with impartiality and etc, but they're both paid for by the public purse and we need to kind of figure out.

What were the X Factor is the next Sunday we cares about this cos that's what you need to do with this whether or not you doing this on Instagram as well.

I don't know but what to take a break will review the social media guidelines for all participants on the moon.

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Are back with me for some more news in brief the MailOnline may soon have a paywall according to owner Lord Rothermere do you know how it's going to work? I think they looking at a free model where you'll get some stories for free and then we'll have to pay after that and then not meant to see could have been looking at the success of publication elsewhere.

I think what they quoted the set of the Telegraph and you can see how it fits into their wider ambitions if you look at what the time is doing where the times has you know a digital paywall and then they have they have the X radio is part of that to drive to I was to it.

I'm cold now launcher launching have just started putting some of their podcast behind the paywall as extra value for subscribers and you can see how the mall will marry that all the other things.

3D Land video I just asked another podcast division was Jamie's just heading up.

I think you had on the other week.

So you can see how they will start to tie up the various things that they're doing into something which is subscriber Amazon need to do that because of the drop-off in an advertising anime like a lot of people looking to make up that's all over the world.

Do you think they have that connection with the audience to those people who is going to surf in the sidebar of shame maybe won't like Daily Mail consumer as they just kind of hopping on quicksand convertible to message they've got is there if you're subscribing to something.

It's gonna be something that you feel you can't live without your passionate about are you need as part of your of your daily content digest and the lot of people reading them out.

It's just fun stuff to click through and and to look at and whether people be prepared to pay for that remains to be seen because of the most.

has been around much more serious content of journalism, so that's not that's not the same thing watching another product on top of the Mail Plus is very much about special things and I think they've gone this hasn't had enough of interest me to push across from there is a tendency for some Media organisations to do this where they create lots of different pockets of pay for things and I think that becomes very confusing the end user is the result of my mail parcel Scribe reminder and actually incredibly frustrating when you do subscribe something as premium like this and you get a new paywall and the same brand is it be interesting to see how they kind of like clean the up because I think it could be quite complicated for foot for male readers even the New York Times

Wake me up times when I try and get like a good offer from them, but they're really pushing me upgrades for getting puzzles and recipes and everything else and I sorta like you get me up times offer them begging for money from me, but that's right headlines for the day with their pay for the paywall you can see if you want to pay for Premium products like puzzles and cooking you pay for another to you and that kind of like that's right the all singing all dancing ultra packaging whatever it is.

You want that makes sense because I was tired.

I don't know what I'm understanding be interested to see how they do end up watching this.

I think that this is about bundling.

So I think that the reason that they're doing this is at the trying to create the mail to be more premium product it becomes attractive when you have news aggregators apple.new fastened and the like that then start looking to a bundle paid for news and and a different different.

Paper is compared to kind of water premium content that they then can add to a mobile phone prescription in the Sky subscription or whatever and it becomes a wholesale exactly exactly which I think is why they kind of the creating this I'll be interested to know how many Direct describe is ok.

Just too late with it was too late, but I think one of the things that the male need to think about like all the other pub is the future of news and social media but as we just talked about you know the continuing decline of X there's ongoing issues around Facebook and they're placing news.

We've tried to we've seen recently Canada so trying to trying to break with various platforms in terms of in terms of use apply and getting keeping stuff within newspapers, so I think someone now is no clickbait is going to think about are some of those channels online channels that bring traffic to them going to decline further over the next 280 months and decrease their traffic.

Looks like looking for alternative sources of revenue primary platforms already dispersing everyone's going different places and even the click-through rates have always been pretty dreadful from them as well.

Yeah, I mean I think the great if we were to evaluate what happened in the last you know social media age is the thing that a lot of people who make content have realised it was a scam because you gave so much of your content away for free to YouTube and Twitter and I made lots of money and built their platforms off the back of people basically giving them content without even having to ask for it and some of the best ideas on the best film ever made of you know made a really great living out of it the Lord of the time.

It was it was jealous kind of trying ideas out and headlines stories etc and if one went viral in their right the full story, but it'd be addressed and how many people actually read the full story because I've already seen the tweet.

That's kind of a there's a bit of a Reckoning around that and and I get a bit of course.

I think my view on this is the reason it's coming out now is because there is going to be about nothing but the elections and you know Boris is view on that and I imagine the Deans you on that and whoever else get the Tory party or any other party doesn't matter before the election is going to be interesting you know I subscribe to New York Times during the presidential election of Hillary and Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump and that's when my subscription out.

I've kept it ever since then and I think that a lot of seeing the American election in the UK election being a time and people looking at 1 at heavily consume use to see the circus.

That's going to come into town and get some reporting around us about money there and publisher future has not had the best year coding to its annual report profits before tax would down 19% year-on-year impress dancing a 25 million invest.

Program that will see at a higher 115u editorial staff according to the press Gazette do you know what the money is being useful for the trying to move further into the US and they're trying to focus more on reviews and that's something that leaves are well inserting to search and SEO when you're looking for review of particular products, so that's what I think there's no need to be made in this is yet another example of a company who are looking to 2 game the game money from different avenues when advertising has dropped off and it's all the things that we talked about today with Netflix whether it be at the mall of the X or or future is all about so did you know trying to to reach new audiences to to increase that that money and there's only a certain limited amount of money when the audience know you're speaking with it be advertised the money you know everybody's chase singer what seems to be in ever decreasing smaller parts and that was bleekers for ASDA at the beginning of the beginning beginning of the program.

There were a lot of people chasing the same digital times as we used to call them when when digital started the first emerge and we seeing that come around again at the moment.

It's scary advertising's been a tough year.

It's sort of see me to pick up a little bit opportunities for publishers and media owners to diversify and to look at different total bad news is that there are and I think the thing is really interesting because obviously future got a number of titles that are trusted by audio here.

So when they say something is good.

It's got a flight to attach to it one thing.

I would be interested to see it is if they're going to stop creating personalities bases around this and that is you know when you look at reviews 5th wonder is you know I'll give me the the Ghost and the cheese wire cutter that got acquired by the New York Times and and they were the first on this and it done very well out of it, but actually look at the new.

Trend review site, so I'm talking about touch your I'm talking about cold flag in there a tiktok channels that kind of being quite premium channels that are doing reviews and and and some of them are like Legacy housekeeping and America's test kitchen great review sites.

They are based around personalities and so while you've got the brand exists there you're seeing recognise your face is that again and again actually the way to social in particular works video work says that you going to need their personalities to effectively represent the brand new content creators jumping on your Legacy Media prices.

No surprise there.

I mean you look at tiktok the amount of tiktok shopping then machine particularly.

I guess at the moment for Christmas I mean seemingly every third video has a hazard, but haven't picked up should be slightly different because I think that is tiktok themselves different to the b tiktok.

Build a model where they create user behaviour where you click through and buy something for that Breville toastie in the microwave.

I haven't heard that is my algorithm.

I'm not getting any toast in the microwave that doesn't help hazard right there apparently works very well, please show you on the way home, but what I have what I have said to see lots of Personality LED review of restaurants and food and very hungry at the moment, but you won't get my stuff but also play games and a music and hi-fi equipment and cars in a car while site is I forget the name of the guy but the guy that runs the car website has become bigger than the brand itself that all kind of thing about personality the voice is where did magazine me to get that right? I think that for a long time Legacy magazine journalism didn't invest heavily enough in their reporters and their tone of voice and who they are so my my

Is a digger hire some people that can represent the Brandon in the best way and that sort of stuff because you know magazines now have such small star magazines.

You just had two or three staff writers and I just won by freelancers effectively who is supplying them with content so you know they're going to be up in a container been to see you know where that's going to come from going to be creating better deals for freelancers who we constantly on social media about not being paid on time.

I'm not saying that sort of future.

I just mean it mean in general, but magazines have been to have one down the signs of a long period of time now in podcast last year.

She said the future of magazines is podcasting in the future of journalism and content is it easy?

Always a great relationships with their audience when you look at the bags that successful though, it tends to be one for the pretty deep so I privatise one of the most successful bags in the country.

That doesn't very different to everybody else and gives a different viewpoint and I think if you probably read that you feel part of that club.

We not goes WHSmith's as much as we used to and grazing overlap content when we've got loads of content has a an incredible tone of voice you buy it because it's funny and it breaks stories as well and I don't know if these magazines because of the stuff that because I'm on the way, they are just effectively turning out lots of production and press releases and I'm putting their own spin on it and actually what is missing is that personality and that tone of voice we are going to get a bit investment in that direction.

I don't necessarily a bad thing at all.

It's time for the media quiz this week in titles.

Play your streams right.

Yes, it's an old fashioned game of chiral lower using a latest viewing data from Netflix with talk to a bit about it already.

Can you tell me if there's a name have higher or lower viewing hours than the previous show so let's play play your streams right at the first.

Show is Luther the Fallen son which had 109 million viewed worldwide that space light the show is Emily in Paris is it higher although lower lower 161 million hours for as Black Mirror season 6 higher or lower Emily in Paris Got To Be Higher 139 the 54th biggest series in the world to hire in the UK breast love is blind season 4 higher or lower it is higher 229 million or 17 in the world right back Wednesday season 1 higher or lower than love is blind.

Question, I'm going to say lower congratulations.

You'll be devising the media podcast the magazine out later next year but on the socials I am phasmin at 8.

I'm going joke somebody nicked Faraz Osman on on both Instagram expected Brent Cross please don't follow him.

Follow me we should have Osman on that and the company's goal and the school on everything about you.

I'm on X and all our platform is also follow City journalism on various platforms as well.

I have to mention of the course is open for applications for next year and you'll also find stuff, but I'm working on at spirit lamp.

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