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Hello and welcome to the all new weekly Media podcast I might even on the show today Jeff zucker one of the most powerful Media exists in America shops the same ITV news, Washington correspondent, Robert Moore tells us why the UK radio industry is still reshaping the pandemic with big changes at times and Radio 1 and Adam Barry is going to help put all that and a little Joe Rogan cat to White puzzles master newspapers and in the movie quiz.

We look at the other shows doing a BBC Three that's all coming in this edition of the media podcast so this week.

We've seen Spotify on the back first subscribers and musicians react the hit show the Joe Rogan Experience TV with had the relaunch of BBC3 kicking off with the program was pre-recorded presumably to avoid the Fate of GB news opening night over Channel 4.

They were command you need for a special.

Books about a new series on going plus off, investigating there subtitles snafu in print newspaper group arches back up for sale as it's private equity owner are capital for a baby after 18 months in and of course all the news channels are excitedly broadcasting the arrival of a black and white PDF the other being one Sue grey cover some of the big stories of the me the things that we've all been talking about Jamie today is Washington correspondent ITV News Robert Moore panel this week talking about your role in the capitol riots on A14 is I should add a year on is it something that still influences your reporting me how you feel about the city you're in.

Sure, I mean the January 6th.

It's a big impact story for me but also for ITV news and potentially for British television.

You know I've tried to use it and become an advocate for the style of British television journalism.

That is in the heart of all we in Sky in the BBC and Channel 4 do which is eyewitness journalism and if you live here you realise you know there is another model for television news which is studio panel discussions and that I think what we do in Britain eyewitness reporting getting reported on to the front line telling that story about audience back home.

That is exactly superior form of television news, that's what I'm an advocate of January 6th could be leveraged to show that and to show its superiority over the endless discussion panels ever feature cable TV news and that's great so I see January 6th through that prism now really as advocacy for British journalism.

You obviously went into the capital was actually the other news opera.

Didn't I read that you sort of assume that they were going to be somewhere else? That's true.

We were embedded ourselves with the mob if you are around about those trump supporters.

They stormed the Ice Storm the capital of them is America which was the first Brit to storm Congress since the War of 1812 so I take some credit for bad but that you know it through the other people were stuck in studio for doing live recording other people were in the rooms and I had to stay there because of the Threat so yeah.

We did what we do for living which is on the front line and bring that use as quickly and as accurately as possible to do a British TV audience of someone of a purple patch recently obviously part 8 scoops extension of ITV news for the 6:30 now going an hour.

I mean you're in America but what's the what's the moon like ITV ITV Towers and with the

Nothing really strong.

I think you're right to describe it as a purple patch of brown is doing on the party gate story but the whole political team and ITV News Robert Peston obviously but generally part of that but but also thank you.

It's so technically Robert unglamorous reporting on social housing conditions in a way that because you know it's giving a voice otherwise I want heard in that sort of Echo chambers of social media and television news who is delighted that the one on several fronts politics social affairs with us reporting overseas recording with the stuff on January 6th of the stuff in Ukraine and and so on and we're proud that kind of having an impact and being recognised.

I mean we don't you know work you know para claim put it that way mad or a ward but you know if there's recognition for The Newsroom for the agenda that we have then we'll take it out with pleasure and Robert we also.

The show TV and audio critic Scott Brian hello Scott you've been writing about the relaunch of BBC3 for the New York Times was it hard to make sense of that story for a US yes, I think because the one thing they don't really know what BBC3 is I think also because they don't really know what iPlayer is but the reason why I wrote the story and why they were in it in the first place what I think the fact that at a time when the Assumption is that all audience is a heading towards streaming streaming CNN stream.

The future.

This was a channel that that transition to an entirely streambase future and now they were going back the other way and I think it looks at the fact that at a time when there is so much competition people.

I really want you a shim for also broadcasters still have a bit of an upper hand when it comes to having millions of people viewing at the same time because they're able to have those.

Alexa viewing experiences, I think that's quite universal for the us and for the UK and what was also fascinating is that when they announced that they were going to launch the run-up Liverpool in three different data and Fiona Campbell who is the controller of BBC Three was talking to me about how they were looking at us trends and at a time when streaming take about 25% of overall audience engagement.

There is still a huge amount of audiences who still tap into a traditional cable style set up and chatting to a great academic subject always and he was talking about how we seen it was a transition form.

The analogue people watching normal TV to go into a hybrid model there something that I was going towards in a just pure streaming but actually watching a bit of broadcasts a bit of streaming.

A bit of YouTube a collection of all three we're not giving up for meeting for another someone and a company that's been very much for the forefront of multimedia is about to launch big multimedia product is CNN and the previous boss wooly boss up till yesterday and CNN Jeff zucker had a lot of power but shot colleagues buy resigning on Wednesday after almost 10 Years the broadcaster, Robert what happened to Jeff story of shocking Media Story on this side of the Atlantic you just look at understand.

It's not just a power Amelia figure here, but he's also the really charismatic boss of CNN reporters names who who would sort of put down their life for him, but he has now admitted to this unethical relationship with a fellow CNN executive Allison gollust she was still a head of marketing at CNN and it's not just lack of transparency.

That is cost yet.

I his job.

So what people are calling the blast radius of the whole range of CNN stand all speakers remember Chris cuomo their their influential powerful 9 p.m.

Anchor and host he had to resign having been found that he was advised and his brother Andrew cuomo the governor of New York so he was having his own set of scandals, so when worn and look at the Andrew cuomo Chris cuomo access then stumbled on the Jeff zucker affair so it is a pretty tawdry suggestion here now that should have Chris cuomo is trying to bring the temple down within the he even though he was closed at one point of Jessica that Chris cuomo so angry about his own just that he had incriminating evidence against cooker and decided to expose that relationship in other words.

You know the resistor of a cycle of a vans and acrimony at the very heart of seeing as you just now I mean this is.

Important moment for seeing and I just weeks away from 19cm plastic and highly prized new streaming service at a very competitive market place now, they enter that without any sort of leadership of the top of the company as showing it's a big issue this and it means so many tamedia credit check and circle with their sort of claws out in their teeth because in this toxic political landscape CNN is a target of course to the trump supporters and two others on the political right and this is given the political right in America tons of army nissen define directly at the heart of cnfs and credibility employees and love and they they like him and a lot of them have been hired by him.

I mean if your if your talent in front of the camera sure it's going to be a bit unsettling for you as well.

Play coming up to a merger with discovery, so that's that's on the horizon as well exactly so that's almost Perfect Storm to seeing them.

They got I Got Talent it's not feeling disorientated angry about how Jessica was was pushed out Jake tapper was talking to a Town Hall meeting to try and calm the water is Heather in fact in fact apparently said that actually you know jessop should never have been there is a monster to TopLine Talent at CNN and who knows where the stall ideas, but it's given Fox News and the political right here just a tonne of ammunition and so it said it's a really rare and potentially damaging circumstances for scene entertaining navigator all of the new projects and Ventures we don't really have these sorts of super executives in intelli hearing in the UK as much as we do in the US

The similar person would be here that could could we can rock a scandal like this.

No not really I mean this is the thing I need turned onto CNN yesterday and it's so weird to see and reporting about itself in a twist, but also the case that CNN has got a style of presentation where it likes to cover politics in the way bit like sports you want to watch the election with the sound effects that will come again for every single part and I'm staying up until 5 am trying to find out whether this small little district and one tiny state that actually in the grand scheme of things had no bearing on the overall presidential result were about to go and call in their results it.

It's just influence I think in terms of having this kind of suspension and live element on absolutely everything making you feel that you have to be part of that moment and of course I guess detractors are saying that actually the discourse within the US has has been worsened by the fact that.

Firstly for giving trump platform but also just in terms of having two different styles of presentation with people on either ends at each other and I think that's kind of it to me with him stepping down but also see an end new for alien to CNN plus it sort of feels stiff.

We're coming to an end of an era CNN ratings ever since Joe Biden became president has gone down significantly.

It's been a transition away from cable.

I mean it still make some awful lot of money for CNN but I'm sort of thinking well.

Where are we going to go next it doesn't feel like seeing is going to be the emphasis of for finding that day is actually the other mentioned which is the plummeting cable news ratings hear Donald Trump's hair in the white house instead of Gold Dust for for cable television news now.

He's gone without the Biden administration and and the result has been an

Car crash 4 rating Pier for cable television news that the other elements quite rightly mentioned, but there's so many are and he's in all of this a sort of Donald Trump Donald Trump into the prime-time television at The Apprentice now there to a sworn enemies Chris cuomo and Jessica we're good friends are sworn enemies one bring you down one second it shows just how it in a way how incestuous of a cable television news is here and there is an opportunity for reset, but I would suggest that's going to happen because they are really seem to be so doubling down on this polarised hyper partisan.

Sort of panel driven network the British television model it is so superior to having 10 people in a studio or shouting at each other which produces a lot of noise but

Light all in separate boxes also think that provides good content for a new HBO Max series so at least I got that internal material for the morning Show season 3 when another is actually Joe Rogan he hired him for the game show fear Factor which party established Joe but he's not been getting into trouble with accusations that is podcast including misinformation around the pandemic with musicians podcast as an subscribers starting to boycott the app Robert even got involved with some of Joe Rogan misinformation.

I think you're right this is because you know Joe Rogan is just some of the most high profile case of this but we got in America Media landscape.

There is a complete collision between sort of First Amendment purists who believe anything should be said that free speech is the most important tenant of American democracy.

You say no hang on a second you know we are now in a world of toxic misinformation and we have to be careful we have to do a police.

What's out there at least three courses, what's out there on social media and other streaming platforms and say Joe Rogan touched into this and no wonder the white house is involved.

I mean if you're ever Neil Young withdrew is music that because describing the Joe Rogan podcast the home of life-threatening covid misinformation Joni Mitchell the others followed suit there's now a lot of attempts to sort of Boycott Spotify Spotify you know it will try and correct this information.

We can they see I was described.

This is a turning opportunity and suggested that you know Spotify will will will improve.

It's services doesn't need to change its fundamental model so yeah Joe Rogan is just the most popular podcast figure here by a country mile, but he's touching on something and much more so bigger brought her to the moon.

Issue of freedom of speech vs hate speech misinformation for page news and so on so it touches on a really kind of controversial toxic part of the media landscape was Scotland in this is a real problem for Spotify it's not even a question of if there are platform or a publisher because they have a deal with Logan they pay 100 million dollars have they handled no, I mean I think it's just been a big a big old mess from the start, but it's also one to me that is felt like it's been in the making 4 months.

I mean Joe Rogan's comments about the coronavirus and having guests denies or might be so spreading misinformation has been going on for months.

It literally took artists removing their music from the platform for really think Spotify to take some and and in a veritas wider never-ending debate about how much are providers responsible for the content that's on their platform 100 million Cross Hands

But also how people who are completely unconnected to it ordinary members of the public trying to listen to the music and now starting to think well.

There's some of my songs gone and listen to Joe Rogan what why am I being affected? It has all of the the basis for something that is going to be a real headache for Spotify and as you know it emphasises a lot more that forecasting is the future for them all you do is the future of investing a lot in audio and this is the first time that is now come round to scare them because it's a bit late all the things that we really thinking of future.

Is is now possible liability there was some great reporting from the Verge today about some an internal staff meetings with the chief exec and another team a really great stuff around black lives matter around bringing in underrepresented groups to podcasting and there isn't reporting the

Play how can I attract those sorts of people if there if they're alongside Joe Rogan off the the platform take some more interest view of say actually just here anybody know is that really sustainable Robert can they can they get away with just saying hey we're just we're just what we just here for everyone.

It's very difficult for them.

I mean what Spotify and Daniel is the Advisory you know they're going to try and put things into context to try and help inform people who are listening to something controversial podcast a bit like trying to do but you know I don't know if Scott feels that adequate risk and when the question is you know about vaccine scepticism is adding advisories sufficient Allure Spotify B&B Tuppence and excellent question and I don't think any sort of streaming service and platform as adequately would you give anybody start for handling?

Not really, I mean you still see you on Instagram some people who spread misinformation given verified status are allowed to prepare all the info all the time and of course they might have a small audience and Joe Rogan but those people who will tell other people and I think it's taking a sticker on it doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be fine on the completely unrelated matter.

This is the first time that I can be small apple music subscriber strapping because I spoke to you fellow radio enthusiast Adam Bowie about all the latest ups and downs you can't fail to know it's Radio 1.

I think it was a bit disappointing for them although we can talk at James separately.

I know you were highlighting certainly capitals share issues and

May be related similar problems to radio One's is interesting there.

There's definitely been some changes and this is probably pandemic, but you can never be entirely clear but changes in the way morning the pigs are happening from Breakfast to mid-morning the absolute pick is still at breakfast still at 8 that is the biggest single listening occasion of the day but you know for some stations Radio 2 notably with Ken Bruce's bigger than Zoe and actually this time for the first time someone like LBC where James O'Brien has just passed Nick Ferrari we seeing mornings being and depending on how you define morning this morning thing as big and even bigger than breakfast in some places, so there's some of the key things in this individual results on Sunday stations that can get things like have times has been doing and a boom radio station for over 65/60.

Had the first book last quarter up for a little bit but big jumping hours and that I guess that's very important to me, isn't it? Yeah, I mean if you're not if you're not aware reach get the listeners the amount of time they spend listening listening get some money if your commercial station so hours are important or share is it sometimes we talked about and I think when you've got a first Ray J the case it was waiting for the first Radio 4 in the station.

You get very excited about it and I think they I know they were very happy and very pleased with their first one last time but then sometimes it can fall back and you know champagne back on ice in the fridge, so to see some gain continued Gain is great and then to get those commercially valuable hours actually quite significantly at 36% quarter on quarter.

You know they're absolutely over the moon.

I'm sure with those numbers probably not so over the moon at times radiator had probably a very solid start in the solo 600 but they falling back of it haven't they?

The second book yeah, they have and I think the just still over half a million which I think it's probably a nice at all these numbers around an immaterial in the scheme of things but everyone likes be able to save millions of lives kind of things but yeah, they've been around for longer.

They they were the unfortunate case of launching just before the pandemic.

So it took them quite long time to get there first numbers been around for a while, but it is interesting given the amount the importance of politics on that station and that this is not been a politically inactive time and one radar does not make a summer absolutely you know mix and match metaphors here so I just sit around see how they do next time because this quarter feels even more politically active and last quarter and you would expect times to the back of the upstairs sometimes radio is Virgin Radio x on secret sevens on the breakfast show you were there in the early in coronation of the station and with Chris I've added as well.

Because they doing alright.

There's a lot of coverage about about them trying to compete with everyone else that the just carry on yeah, they are I mean it up a little bit nothing Evans themselves back of a million this quarter.

You know he's older after searching station to got handsome.

So got group and the good things like that, but they sort of getting on a ticking on by but I think they could be the question there is is there a sustainable business model they posted Graham Norton not that long ago and he his numbers and nowhere near what they used to be for Radio 2 that's even though doing two shades compared to one the date says he's got his keys got half a million little things going with this afternoon this in this in this sort of second book for him.

That's right.

Yeah, and I don't know what you said that but here it was many millions are Radio 2 and I said I think the challenge there is to get from their big superstars through to the rest of the station and then there's the business model anyway that they're doing.

It's a long time since broadly speaking avoiding as well one thing I hear is that on Monday they will start to be some ad blocks in Chris Evans breakfast show I'm not surprised you.

Do you need to monetize it the title you know other stations you know I mean talkSPORT radio they say Dad so I'm sure the upcoming talk.tv.

Will take out.

Yeah.

That's probably a sensible thing to do.

I mean you've got no more ties.

You've got them or ties.

His cost is salary somehow.

I would think I'm just thinking of post-covid and look at the data rate is now very much at all when we look at this is a share of listening.

It's a 60% of the total reaches about 80% compared to unlock being about 6065 in the dcms digital audio review the government said that the UK radio industry should be preparing the ground for a possible analogue switch-off in 2030.

This is obviously brought up all the time and that's a decent chunk away but

Contract for switching over to digital just naturally without having to turn off all the transmitters to look at stations choosing to stay on am the BBC shut down the number of local radio AM transmitters and I think over time you're going to see more of that naturally taking place.

I think interesting to see it is not quite the same but see see what has been doing this week in terms of turning or beginning to force feed a particular digital things for logged in listening and losing access to their Station on TuneIn and as those digital platforms become more valuable as well as the costs involved in being on multiple platforms business is going to make those decisions for themselves.

It will happen you know now, so there will always be someone who jumps in you know someone let's go of a frequency someone will have that frequency and would you know?

Hand in properly they London FM frequency anytime soon.

I don't think because someone can probably make some money on at London FM frequency still it's going to happen much more maybe we thank you for the radio heads out there if you want to hear us do a proper water and all the all the figures including the problems with Radio 1 there's an extra 20 minutes exclusive to our patrons.

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12-months find out more welcome back Rob and Scott still with me and it's time for some media news in brief word all the puzzle game social media alight has been bought by the New York Times at that you're paymasters my New York Times bought wordle.

I think it's just because when it comes to games.

They are able to knock out of the park.

They just announced that they hit the the milestones early of having 10 subscribers, but when they go down for numbers.

They were about 2 to about 200000 people who was specifically only using a gaming part of the website spelling bee.

Words and they call part of their model in the same way by the athletics after sports so I think by buying words of witches controversial particular that of the word that it would be a free in 11 bracket initially it cause a bit bit of an unsettling because people don't want to think of it being behind a paywall I guess it depends on what the New York Times has going to use for are they going to use it as a way of harvesting information by getting people's emails to keep it free.

Is it going to be put behind the paywall is it going to be linked to the New York Times gaming offering? I think those are questions that I think they're still trying to work out themselves by think the fact that it's been growing substantially the fact that you can only play once a day means that the New York Times obviously think there's longevity in this to me.

They said they went for the low millions well to buy.

Which apparently has a 10 million views a day that's even an excellent deal on behalf of the New York Times that there's subscriber numbers of past 10 million partly due to adding in the athletics numbers which they are quiet again this year and that's publication.

That's traditionally been burning through cash, but now back by the New York Times maybe they turn into profitability combine it with the other subscription offers into a kind of super bundle times has made a lot of money from subscription.

It's really turn the corner those worried that it would drop after trump, but actually it's been increasing there's gaming there's cookery is subscription the future of news Robert but I think you're exactly right to say to our previous conversation of the cable news networks are struggling with an audience.

I mean that the interesting news has a rapidly diminished here since the end of the trump years.

Your time thanks doing highly successful is reorient heading towards games and as you say towards cooking shows and lifestyle products.

I mean I try to create an entire kind of experience for your anybody who goes the New York Times website and I think word is a classic example of an associate in York Times can a with that I didn't know we associated with in-depth journalism to reinvent themselves in the post trump era, and were then cookery is a classic example of that and if people spend more of their day on the New York Times website then they will be delighted.

They will be able to monetize Adam and there's no question that go from strength to strength that he is too strong and squeezing out too many small players who were trying to make a living in the same in the same space as well as the UK and deadlines reported that UK viewers spent the time watching the BBC compared to Netflix I think this was in some Enders analysis Scott what do you make of?

The BBC Beatdown of Netflix I mean it is really interesting and is a very trusted in terms of having deep and insightful analysis when it comes to the rise of the Giants but also we seen over the last few months bar across to measure audiences getting in on the game trying to see how big are viewing patterns are in watching streaming giants for years.

I think we've had this sensor.

It's been a bit of the station of mine about how streamers are kind of this big beast that are being in a watched by millions, but it's hard to know how many others are watching them it feels a lot of pr.

They pluck numbers to show how successful they are using metrics on transparent that make them look good and it was all companies do Netflix and obviously must especially guilty of it and now I think we seeing a bit more transparency particularly that the BBC who have course in this incredibly difficult to knock.

Now having the licence fee frozen under inflation for 2 years and now having to have also arguments on top of that they should become a subscription service then you're you're seeing data that suggest that yes, they are incredibly important and parts of a live streaming Giants but they're not really going to completely upended the whole market.

There was over analysis when does This suggested that many people still see public service broadcasters has been the primary form of watching TV and Netflix has she misses seeing as essentially as there a compliment rather than the replacement for those sort of channels, so so it's a lot of questions.

I think that the other main takeaway.

Very quickly is already nervous if I was at Channel 4 but it does show this analysis is that people watching Channel 4 as much as they are watching Netflix and of course were coming at a time when the government are going to be proposing the Future 4 channel.

And the government's argument is well.

We want Channel 4 2 B Morecambe to be on the same as of competitiveness as streamers and a course of their being seem to be beaten by Netflix and rivals then of course that makes Channel 4 position of staying in public ownership talking about some of the changes that have been proposed for the BBC there now going to be on the front foot particularly 100 years of BBC opportunity for them to to demonstrate already good.

Did you manage to catch their new 2-minute promo video that strolling around social media this week for sure I did it obviously an impressive counterblast from the BBC reminding people that there is such a thing as in what kind of water cooler moment so the shed narrative but there is something some institutions of being brings people together and of course BBC is in a strong position to so lucky.

No rain due shows and a range of on our Talent they are able to bring.

A national conversation something that is notably lacking here in the United States where the we've got two kind of political side to I just got a warren with each other we ended up with this toxic not just landscape, but also the cultural landscape as well, so we have Diversity in the media and journalism of ITV news and Channel 4 news is important to in Sky News of the words.

You know there is a role of chirality as well as to accept the central broadcaster like the BBC so they win their suits in and have to fight for their competition is going to be the best for the for the British fluorescent funding just quickly Facebook could be forced to agree.

With newspapers for using their stories under new laws being potentially drawn up by the government this was going to the Times very similar to what happened in Australia where deals with the Australian news providers should come to the UK should Facebook of the world newspapers for their content or is it up to the newspapers of they decide to let Google spider best stuff out there.

You know it comes from ITV News what's on clear.

I think you genuinely unclear is whether you know the funding model is based on the Australian style and media bargaining code is going to help video German or is it just a payment plan for newspaper articles for the put out on on the other publishers platform through smile of people than me looking at the source of funding model?

You know where we do journalism, you know we want it why did distributed as possible but on the other hand you know it makes you know Gathering television news is expensive you know running far is expensive having a fully staffed Newsroom with you know well informed experienced executives is expensive so you know we need to make sure there is an adequate funding model that brings.

You know the world British television viewers front room for a good number of years.

We have thought their way up into into Google rankings are on to 22 people's apps and smartphones you think the newspapers.

Just been particularly pneumonia about this and I just using their mates at the government to give me the cash.

They don't deserve well.

I mean you.

I think is that Google in Facebook make it change no matter how small it can completely up end a company's Fortunes and with BuzzFeed I think I could talk about this as next.

But she is at the moment that they changed the algorithm from being primarily less a newsletter.

There was a massive drop off on traffic and and and long-term plans for a business that they were making up for time had to be rewritten in weeks because of a decision done by a company that they are involved in and if you were involved in a company like many others you're going to have it a mass audience for all so you're trying to work out.

How other companies are kind of working if they change very quickly then I can really adverse adversity and also I think that when you looked at what happened in Australia it end up being a bit of a PR disaster for Facebook because it ended up with them putting all news for short time but instead of a drawing attention to what the government were planning.

I think it put the focus back on Facebook of how powerful they were because loads of people were pointing out hang out.

How can the company is having a spat with the government can suddenly?

Shaving news on Facebook to people who are you care about issues that I care about so it so I think that this has a I think they'll be looking at what happened in Australia but possibly will be a try not to replicate that because it can end up becoming a bit of a big a big argument with no clear phlegm point and all of that they bring us to the tennis world of the media quiz this week entitles the lunchtime news in Honour of the relaunch of BBC3 we bring me three Media properties that are either On Demand going linear and nonlinear Going On Demand name the media brand say the email that's fine and Robert you will say excellent.

Let me play the lunchtime news.

Right Switch On Demand service is launching a magazine Netflix yes, what are launching a sort of a magazine aimed at kids ibuprofen which is trying to be focusing on that but they've been doing this before it it gives me a lot of memories.

You know to win sky did remember in like they had a magazine it went out to every sky subscribers the country but the best bit about it.

Is that they wrote on the front cover that it is the most secure is magazine the most popular magazine in the country this regarding the fact that subscriber since I had no choice.

They were getting it anyway.

So so it makes me wonder about what Netflix has a plan for it.

They already do have a magazine.

You have to opt-in mainly goes to people who work in the industry and I think the Netflix sort of works because they don't have to deal with John Lewis they can't do it themselves market it entirely how they want.

And Kids issues important to streamers, cos it stop stop chatting so reinforcing that is is good business right number to which German news channel come off the hair this week by Russia but it was based on the fact that our tea has a falling foul of German regulators and has been had it had its licence revoked.

That's the story on the Berlin Moscow at argument.

What's driven by the Kremlin no, I think it's the county is a spokesperson essentially for the Kremlin Kremlin run and I think it is.

With the Germans and the German regulator because he was running under a survey Serbian licence, but politically was moving to the to the to the right in Germany at and it had two vaccine scepticism as a component of its coverage, so no wonder regulators were getting concerned if it's moving to the far-right and was promoting vaccine scepticism, so yeah, it does seem like it was the Kremlin try cause trouble in into the German opinion and German politics.

Let's go to the number 3 which cartoon bunny may soon for a convoluted series of mergers and acquisitions end up playing Premier League football.

I think it's about the whole BT Sport thing about how busy is Discovery might end up becoming partners which

Shuffle cartoon bunny is Bugs Bunny as as a warning Media property ok? I can see that have been a major player in terms of football for the last 4 years, but it seems to be the case that BT now want to Double Down on improving internet speeds doesn't really want to run a channel as much they've been looking for a partnership or buyer for a while and Discovery that already have the Olympics of course about Europe already have Eurosport I thinking heck.

I'm actually have a lot more subscribers and maybe grow up base of it, so I can see it certainly from discoveries side and for BT getting rid of something.

They don't really want to be in that invested in going forward correcting congratulation Scott that makes you the musical is winning in the post.

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