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We've seen you of concern Michael grade admit that he doesn't use social media.

Just as a regulator begins to take on a more digital role for the industry Channel 5 celebrate 20-years on the air remaining at all if a little bit too much about Keith Chegwin ask your mum if you don't know the letter has gone out calling for the government to continue to support the audio phoned from Will Smith and Chris rock salt occasion Apple TV made history with Coda the first film distributed by streaming service to win the Oscar award for best picture.

Green Murphy is to replace Jon Snow as the main Channel 4 news anchor now on shaking up the industry this week.

Join me today is the planning director Edelman it's Robinson have you been working away on a book I hear can you give us a sneak preview at all about what you been doing there with me.

It may sound of the Lotto promises.

It's actually going to be a cracker.

It's a political drama.

Set in the kingdom of fairy.

So if you like either mythology fantasy or political drama West Wing style realpolitik.

It's for both of you exciting.

When are you looking to finish it? I've got a 6-month course that I've got mouth Tower with I'm working with the favour Academy to get it done.

So my goal is to get it finished by then, then there's a whole process of sorting out an agent.

It's so far.

I'm loving it will keep tracks on your progress October UK that at the present I guess celebrating news around 50th anniversary earlier this week were you and yours round fan.

Is that why you doing the job that you're doing now.

I know lots of say that I don't know is that for me, but I did like the journalists.

I was my present.

I think lots of kids in the UK had like a new shout presenter that they loved and remembered that was very exciting so yeah congratulations to these random 50 years and continues doing doing things to do you sync a cell based programming online now as well, so it's good that they're still there and expanding and onto a first story and unprecedented Coalition of British Media organisations in.

The news media Association the BBC channel for an ITN have signed a letter to the p.m.

Calling for critical legislation against tech Giants to be brought forward and Charlotte trigger disco listen to Foreman and what they after down next week.

It'll be a year since the government sort of brought the digital markets unit made it a thing but it's not on statutory footing yet.

It's basically got shadow powers to sort of style looking at things that could between publishers and tech giants and also the Tech Giants unlike advertising markets and how to rebalance all of that but basically what this correlation is obviously had enough of waiting and a saying if you need to get on with it.

This is taking too long.

It's been a lot going on in the wider global industry around similar things.

Obviously, there was already the code of conduct in Australia forcing the platforms to negotiate with publishers, but there's been new updates in places like the US and Canada in Europe quite recently and make their own decisions so I think basically they say you know if you're going to do this you need to hurry up because for us things aren't getting any easier platforms need to be brought into Czech Karen what do you think the directions for the government is so how they respond they get a positively towards this you know I think probably there is going to be some public pressure to do some regulation.

I think my only anxiety around.

This is that the government doesn't have a particularly strong track record of being good at regulating The Platform there are a lot of unforeseen consequences that tendercrop up.

You know we've seen this with the European unions are threats to rain in platforms like Google quite often at one that making things worse for the consumer.

Better so I think you know we'll just walk carefully but there are 14.

You know some of the legislation has been drafted already has has been flagged by not even department themselves, but I can use that to her saying actually they do those things you haven't got through here.

So wait and see what comes up.

I think they're experiencing Australia has necessarily been University successful either way, but you know Facebook obviously famously withdrew their news from the platform in objection to that propose a new change and then had to back down from that as well, so I'm somewhat sceptical about the ability of regulation alone to solve these types of problems.

I think you know you're going to have to look at things much more realistically because these these are too big and these problems are now to endemic for anyone government anywhere in the world to make these kinds of changes on their own so and the platforms will have to also play a role because

Play platforms Baston and what can be effective so it's a little bit tricky to see what the weather is going to be do you think we likely to see a situation where the Tech platforms have got to start writing cheques to them to the big publishers play already trying to make people happy.

We've got this Google News showcase deals now where they're paying publishers to basically put their content in a special place on Google which I think some publishers are quite happy with it's basically you know free money.

They just have to employ a few people to read it and then obviously there's also Facebook news, which a lot of the major publishers on a lot of pressure for a more holistic thing in essentially the view is that the platforms that's using two by using schemes like that, they said she'd

Train times and you know I suppose the question is should the regulators be calling those shots not the platforms themselves the only coalition publishers that been getting together this week.

There's another one at this time call on the government to give during this further protection in the courts.

I think about this.

This is slaps.

What what what I said, it's not all about Will Smith litigation against public participation, so there's a reason why we appreciate it and I said it's these often label, but not in a libel cases.

Maybe privacy as well cases that essentially people view them as being brought to intimidate journalists and publishers from writing about certain topics for example there been a few cases from like Russian oligarchs pre-war being couple of recent cases with ft, Jordan

And current and former teacher this and there's also been observed with Janice Carole cadwalladr, so basically.

I've written about this submission to Dominic raab's consultation.

What is planned Bill of Rights which would replace the human rights act and he has said that he wants to improve freedom of expression and basically there's a consultation out asking what could we do to improve freedom of expression obviously that includes things for publishers although it's not only for them and so the Society of editors has written in the consultation and also this of the male the eye the times and the Telegraph will teamed up to the bits and proposals together and on the slab front the interesting point is that they wanted to be safeguards to people can't just target individual Turner say they have to go to the people you know the publisher themselves or the or maybe an editor rather than just intimidating people lower down.

Essentially which obviously would completely take to say the Carole cadwalladr case where she's very much for being targeted as an individual journalist.

There is another example for privacy cases, they think the claimant should have to show actual harm.

Just like they do in defamation cases already.

They want people stop from being able to use data protection claims adjuster.

Sort of a Bolton to other cases, they just complicate things in it never really has a difference but it makes me very quickly in a good reason really for example.

Meghan Markle privacy case against mail on Sunday she had a data protection claim as well even whilst trying to no stop oligarchs using their money to force the press to do what they want the individuals it makes them harder to to approach.

Depressed with with claims where they been mistreated at the balance.

I think I come in it from you know originally I'm American and in America the balance is quite different in terms of how the new operators free speeches is much more legally protected the presumption is that you should have the right to publish and very very strong Russian any to ever a present publication as as is much more common here and anti-slapp legislation is coming in not universal in the US but there are several states that have strong and total station which is used to get specifically in a very similar way to try and prevent a punitive punitive lawsuits against journalists with the production of free speech.

I think you know my perception is in in the UK marketplace the the price of the concept of people's privacy rights is very strong is I think.

More often than not usually by ordinary people but I quite powerful people so I think the idea that privacy rights in this way, it would be used by an ordinary person down the street to bring home some against against newspaper or to take action against somebody who's who's in few of them is rare.

It's usually people who are already quite powerful and quite prominent so I don't really think that this is going to like raining in that right will harm the normal person on the street, and there is I think a strong presumption that you should be able to allow work in the public interest in the work of whatever you think of it whatever you think of my work is you know is journalism in the public interest that you know is out there and provide provide useful information.

So I think it probably is about right then that the speedup that it will be interesting to see though how the government takes it out because they kind of Swing back and forth in my view and kind of how they

How truly they respect for you with this part of the press, so we'll see where they went up talking about speaking truth to power after much speculation Laura kunz Berg is is the purple host of the BBC Sunday morning political programme replacing Andrew Marr new look for Matt I mean? Is there a limit to what you can do on a Sunday morning.

Can it be remixed and reinvented you think well? I kind of think you need to cos it's to be honest.

It's a bit stale.

I'm even even I Huang qin political news follower really sit down to watch the Sunday shavers and I think the way to most of us is now it's the gender for the rest of the weekend.

You know people will watch it for me.

It will be used in the in the broadcast actually I'm excited about this although I have to say as a fan of newscast I'm disappointed that Laura is Stepping down to spend less time.

One of my favourite political podcasts, but I think they did such a good job without and with other shows that there is work.

Don't deserve of trying to make a news really compelling really interesting so I'm I'm actually really helpful when she might be able to do.

I would love to have a Sunday programme that felt a little bit more like a boring tea at your gran's I think you know that I would like to see them trying to shake things up.

I mean you mentioned the US there and then there's a much bigger Histories in there with the US Sunday morning.

Shows it it really is a big part of the week and they're like to really get guests we haven't really maybe try to replicate that start the UK but I managed it is it just haven't got as many crazy politicians.

Do they have in the US that you can fill all the time with?

TV in the US of you know shows like meet the press.

What did you say a little bit of the agenda for the week and they make it they make it a couple of 10 pole of their of their original coverage make sure they allow it to make news.

I think there's a little bit little bit more of a sense of it being a cultural moment although I think even in the US that declining tickets as powerful as impactful as it used to be as with all things media proliferation mean you know no one platform is really dominant anymore see with Laura off turn off to Sunday mornings and that's freed out his card to roll.

It's poison chalice is a job anyway, but I people have been kind of dropping out of this quite slim Kimberly who's left on the list to become the new Predator who is currently at ITV2 previously been at the Guardian I think she's in the running.

Safety Bridge say looks like it will be another woman which is quite exciting to be honest to have two in a row really feels like the industry is changing it just like one and then you know how everybody is again for another one like that.

We do is prime minister's, but yeah it definitely seems like people have realised that it's not necessarily a fun job.

It's very very full on you've got very long days.

She's got horrendous abuse like is it worth it and I guess you need to get people in the right time in their lives like maybe in terms of how are the children are in that sort of thing but yeah, I mean I hope you'll find out soon because I'm kind of sick of all the speculating articles was knocking on for a long time.

I think the new Sunday show would start in September but I think she's finished doing political editor.

This week so you would expect some announcements pretty soon, which of course will cover her on the media podcast The Deep dive interview this week.

Are you eating at Disney or Apple TV or maybe you're a multi-platform and signed up two or three well where the ATV March was jam-packed with streaming announcements.

I spoke to the brilliant dantaylor.

What extractor BBC iPlayer BBC sounds to find out what it's all about here's 101 on Disney plus introducing at the moment.

They just really good year on year growth results and I think they're looking to build on that's 35 million subscribers in the year with Netflix annual subscription on Netflix saying how much as he works out there quite a cheap operator.

The works out about 6060 or so attractive price point I think they're in a good place content wise as well.

So they got some real choices with my Star Wars Marvel lots of evergreen content like The Simpsons Pixar movies etc.

I think it's quite small which is storage you'd expect and stories you wouldn't or all the things you know you'll get from the trusted Disney brand for the kids but also introducing more energy content that moving into advertising makes a lot of sense.

I think they're pretty attractive as far as advertisers go universes Netflix which has had its share of controversies with its content and I think it should enable them to keep the prices lower and lower price point.

Do you think it'll be a 399.

Or something + that a limited number of ads will that be the offer people are in that mindset of reviewing the monthly outgoings I think and so the more people they can get on to that and your subscription the better where you forget about a year and it's it's gone to smart option to have more than we'll probably aware of in the UK isn't it? It's quite a few of their streamers have sort of add three additional options.

I went to 90s event on streaming and talking to Discovery and they were saying that the potential is that the yield for kind of subscription plus can be better than subscription contact.

They're up to about 200 million, so I think they've got experience as you say how attractive the combination of the two can be in the UK that something that experimented with in sentences NOW TV and I think that the chief financial officer Netflix was asked about advertising recently and said well.

Never say never which I think you'll be able to all previous answer so I'm surprised if they do it anytime soon nothing.

It's not a quick thing to turn around and I think it just lightly go against the grain of some of the the company Ethos Netflix in terms of the release of seamless user experience, but yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if a longer-term may have to entertain that as well.

What do you sign into Netflix I mean like on a holiday against dad's but they're not worried about hiking their subscription prices and another increase the UK and Ireland customers.

About 20% in 2 years.

They don't seem worried about their subscription cost is that just because they're in a dominant position and people like Netflix and themself to Stomach during about 10 hours for the Standard Time in the UK does feel like a bit of a watershed and will give people paws4thought.

I'm in the Willows run the numbers and know that even if they lose descriptions.

They were more revenue ultimately and really keen to position themselves as not Netflix and some people unfairly branded them in terms of boring a lot of money in order to commission that 18 million of the year but that's actually you since 2015 as far as investors.

Go grass and not going up there are even if it's in a better financial position than it was 80 years ago also in some of them.

Are there testing the system at the moment probably to try and stem.

Which earring what what do they mean do South America at the moment with people outside of their household policy which I'm not sure how far they'll get without a bit of sick to enforce it really because it's most people are unaware that they are against the terms of the agreement in terms of doing that for a long time.

They were you know very aware of that quite happy with the password sharing as long as trending aggressively upwards, I think it shows that are feeling a bit more rights holders content that's not there any kind of clothes that date as well do different things in different regions.

Don't they looking at it?

Percent of the price for adding an additional user so someone who maybe shouldn't be part of your family you now is is part of family do Netflix price point to try and convert people across obviously if they wanted to their systems could be much tougher can detecting where different users are at turn them off straight away if they wanted there's a risk with this which I'm sure they will lose back to the in a couple of that holds.

My actively one of them under 1 convert to this and save a bit of a bit of cash in making the discount regular that was what you can hear breakdown of other video streaming use including Netflix is pushed into gaming apples moved into sport and what to expect from the new ITV X interface on our page.

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Just go and on the show I still have Karen and Charlotte with me to cover the news in brief.

We had that Talk TV media podcast favourite topic has made some announce the launching on Monday April 25th Karen at the end of the release it clarified some of the confusion that we are people talking about about how Talk Talk TV I gonna work.

What did we what do we learn so there will be some original broadcast magazine created for top TV specifically and then in the sudden.

Time 10 hours it looks like you're going to be basically simulcasting effectively the with the radio programs as video talk to you.

Talk radio has obviously not a video work anyway.

They've got me in a bit.

They've the video most of there most of their prevention programs anyway, and then turn it out as pretty effective kind of social enable the clips.

Do I suppose it easy and efficient thing for them to be doing and then I've got a couple of kind of pretty more prestige programs like the Sharon Osbourne and quiz show type thing that they're doing that are going to go out in prime time now or so, yeah, it's kind of a kind of a mix-and-match approach that they've taken.

Housing thing is now.

We talk radio there visual stuff is really good and maybe she worked on that they good couple of years.

It looks impressive and they've got it down Pat and I suppose for the teleoperation.

They can just concentrate on at the moment looking like 3 or 4 hours maybe of sort of quality primetime shows what you going to be similar master back on the radio station instead of off-peak to radio off peak hours of 7 p.m.

Onwards.

Do you give them a better chance of creating a decent channel did GB news ad which activated Start From Scratch doing it all themselves.

Don't necessarily think that's a high bar something better than isn't much and I you know I'm still a little unsure about how much of an audience then.

It's going to be for this for this channel.

I think you never talk talk radio works really well, because it you know it fits exactly what works in radio.

You know what people are people are listening to Radio they like you lots of long.

Just go to the conversation etc.

Etc.

I'm not sure that translates one-to-one into a more visual format as we might as well.

They have the contender for the you know they can take a punt on it on ITV News because they don't have all the Startup cost so the risk to them is lower and they are really slow corporation and I have to say years ago and I've been interviewed a few times on various different talk radio shows hartley-brewer so for example of slickery whereabout as soon as I was off the air the immediately head cut the series of video clip so push them out on social.

They were already saving it into a kind of you know B I had it up on their website and so I think their team's really good.

They know what they're doing and they've been there as you say there an established team so we'll see.

I also think that you know the hours of operations when people are as as we discussed listening to the radio programmes are just so different than on TV and I'm not sure that there is an already quite a lot of TV news and discussion.

I'm not sure what hole they're really feeling but you know what I mean Charlotte this hybrid can radio TV for that seems to be an interesting news broadcast Ashley on DAB digital radio.

It's very efficient use of of time.

Do you think there is a danger that it won't be so great for the radio and then it won't the radio won't be so great for the for the TV will it fall between two stools primetimes TV stuff on the radio then perhaps the other way round because you know if they're doing anything in the studio.

I'm not sure this how that will necessarily translate as well but

Yeah, very happy to watch it and seekers TV news for example is quite you know they usually sitting having a discussion and talk to you.

He may well be exactly the same the same but then again they might be a bit more lively.

You know we don't know yet.

Yeah.

It's an experiment.

I do wonder if talk to you via.

Just have as we discussed time lessons from the GB news launch and soul and not going too fast too quickly so they're trying to do primetime really well, and then if it does proved popular maybe they could do some more respect TV stuff in the daytime.

You know they they've left open for that if the simulcast stuff doesn't do that well, but the evening why not got the resources and he's UK they've got they're really nice studios in London Bridge so I don't think that what they launched.

He has to be would it stays long term but don't forget the the one big thing they do have is Piers Morgan who is whatever you think about him.

He's and his name a massive broadcaster and I think he will bring people in driving so pick up on the newspapers as well.

If you have someone like that on a platform that has good distribution.

Can it make an impact or actually being on a high channel number.

Are you out of sight out of mind for the public in general that although their TV viewership numbers of very high are getting really good reach on social media so the same I would have thought well apply to talk TV where even if the broadcast.

Audience isn't that massive they have huge potential on social and that kind of matters as much nowadays to say people are talking about Piers Morgan and talking about Sharon Osbourne and I think they'll be happy but I think that I mean the Piers Morgan Julia hartley-brewer strategy is all about generating polarisation rage and saying controversial things that then click really well and can be circulated on social it's all you know if everyone has it goes but I'm not sure Building or anything in the long run you can't build an audience that actually tunes.in and a regular basis that advertises want to want to work then you know it's all for not but definitely can get you through this for sure and I would expect that to work better for talking to 4GB Monday April 25th.

It will be on telly and it's already popping up on some TV platforms have

Which princess in the world of the media quiz this week? It's entitled Media milestones, so it's been a week of first someone platforms in broadcasters.

Can you describe three headlines you need to tell me which media company has made it a milestone 3 if you know the answer.

It's ok Karen you'll say Karen and Charlotte you will say let's play media milestones right number one explainer videos on the war in Ukraine been busting records for which the UK broadcaster.

Karen Karen I think it was Channel 4 News Channel 4 so they've drawn 120000 new followers on Snapchat and the Channel 4 news YouTube account just passed over 2 million subscribers since the war broke out Charlotte I mean they've been engaging with teenagers with younger audiences doing the lots of people are is this the future Channel 4 News audience Channel 4 news this week.

They said the same thing that Sky News said a couple of months ago.

Which is basically that they discovered that using their experienced correspondence to explain the news to a younger audience say people like saying people who is experience towards home before you know I can sort of comparing user experience to explain it better and that's

Like people obviously then aware of the Brand and we'll come to Channel 4 news in featuring yet seems to be working there especially that as a service explain the style explainer videos is a fantastic innovation really happy to see me Alex using more the BBC's done some great ones as well because I think the news has a tendency to name it tends to prioritise perhaps a little too much just what's new in for bringing an audience that hasn't been following the story along it can be very off-putting and I think it's specially for younger viewers.

It's really much more welcome rather than having them feel like they're coming into a soap in the middle of a big plot line to just give him a step back and say this is the history this is where it's come from this would happen, not a diamond down at all, but you know that there's a great way into the news and I'd like to see more of them at frankly could social media.

Could use a lot more context while speaking of your audiences a question number 21 social.

Company has been reading 3 to 4-year olds which company is found it's youngest ever audience Karen Karen who is it who used to have a child so far.

It was is tiktok which is apparently very big with the under-five set now.

So why is why are parents happy to give tiktok under 5 of course when my daughter was young it wasn't it was YouTube videos but the death of a parent but you're just trying to get dinner cooked.

Just keep a small child focus on anything.

I didn't them for 5-minutes so that you can sort a the onions is completely related to me because it has been the streaming video concept.

It's ideal for the young people before an age where they can really follow a comeback story.

I just need to be distracted by better visuals now whether that's a good thing from a child development point of you possibly not but it's certainly very handy for parents who need babysitters electronic form.

Is it just because it does movement on the screen and you can flick it up and down and so a little child can just be lost in it without really knowing what's being shown.

Yeah, literally I mean don't you know that enough to be following a story they just want to see bright colours and things moving and you know that this is why some of the biggest performer YouTube videos of all time or like a little baby bump.

You know songs I've listened to hundreds of hours of the wheels on the bus because that's ok as well.

It's just you know that age Justin bright colours can song something to keep them distracted enough to where I cannot frankly exactly what a clock was designed to do that Charlotte could this be the press Gazette next Media platform redeveloping the news.

Colours for 34-year old is making sure 25% of its staff from disadvantaged socioeconomic backgrounds targets about gender diversity and ethnic diversity and now they are setting their sights on getting a quarter of staff from more working class backgrounds quick look at this and I couldn't really make out.

Is it? When is it when you were growing up? Is it now? How do they do know how they judge kalapura backgrounds basically? It's if when you were growing up your breadwinning parent had an occupation.

That is in the lower socioeconomic or working class.

Categorisation so sort of looking at the social mobility of the back of that as well.

Isn't it or try to encourage social mobility by looking at that that group is a good idea, or is this a stop to the to the government it could be both not trying to yank your ability to raise and come through licencing.

It doesn't necessarily make bad strategy to try and you know demonstrate your public value.

It is also part of the BBC's remit to be the broadcasting for all of Britain and not just for the more affluent public that can more easily attract streaming service subscriptions and ad Revenue and then it might actually genuinely be a good place for them to find an audience because it isn't that is not well served by the other broadcasters and because it's you.

What's available on terrestrial television for the social and economic order it might be similar last people to be subscribing to somebody subscription services, so actually a higher proportion of the remaining audience available to the BBC on Broadcast channels might indeed be from that group.

So let's see how that goes but that doesn't seem like a terrible strategy on its face as always being kind of their demonstration of how the living up to their public service requirement.

I think you are right.

It's the right thing to do.

I'd love to see how it working practice so I was thinking I would probably fit into that group just with with with my family have her I grew up but I think my life has evolved and changed over the last 15 to 20 years.

Yeah, it's not do you become like a lucky box tickle it's like you said have you got far with the job interview and they like oh, let's go through your background even better.

You know.

Where is it wouldn't really am.

B and l BBC added me as a lower socioeconomic person that if that makes sense of minutes.

It's a tough thing to to measure and how you bring that into the CV and interview process.

I mean it is a bit of a challenge.

I suppose it in your right there will be people who no longer fit the definition of that target demographic.

You might have grown up in that target demographic but you've got to start somewhere and b.

I would say that you know social mobility is not such that enough to make up the 25% right there.

Just aren't enough people who have moved up words in there in the Economic ladder to make up that in fact you know social mobility is infamously not as not as good as it should be and and buy some measures not as good as it used to be so I think where the BBC can play a role in that it's good.

I mean I think you don't even during lockdown when for example the BBC really fulfils its public sector.

By adding educational programs that make the national curriculum when you know when schools were unable to meet I think that's a really great example of how you know they can be smart about seeing where there is an unmet need in the public that probably would not be met by a commercial broadcaster and getting in there.

So I think they need to just think about how they're going to do it though.

Cos it you know it's quite often attempts to reach that target demographic fail because they're a bit poorly considered and frankly condescending so it has to be you have genuinely great programming maybe not just you know something that's it feels a bit snotty in a group that you have a pledge to do in the next year related to like they're saying that they're going to finish moving all the journalist that they plan to move out of London by September

What's big story last year little son journalistic teams being moved to different cities around the UK to improve the BBC's of spread across the UK that can get more likely audio on BBC sounds refresh the BBC News app.

I don't know if other people noticed for me and a colleague noticed that the news app logo change this week, so it's now in iPlayer and sounds like this, but I think there's going to be more change within the actor apps a and with more personalisation, so hopefully that won't be too horrifying that happens when the same for quite a long time that point it's been quite a few years considering apps.

Do you change quite a lot like that? That's a long time so long is logo roll out.

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