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I speak to the head of BBC Radio 2 Helen Thomas and Hits Radio presenters Stephanie Hirst what about what makes a great radio host and white radio is still the industry to be in the media pundits James cridland and Paul Robinson to talk.

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I put backstage to chat with two radiographs at the first is the marvellous Stephanie Hirst hello.

Thank you very much mate.

Got to be you just come off stage literally talking about my

Radio Place and people at the front and screen mind but you were all Force in the middle of the room.

Yeah, I've not done this III public speak for a lot of my living these days and I'm usually on a stage clean up behind me lick turn all that kind of the we were in the round imagine everyone is sat around somewhere in the middle, so I was very conscious that I've got I hate having my back to people I find it so trying to turn around and look at people have not done that before that was so great as lots of energy in the room with me is Helen Thomas he's had a friendly to each other first session, where was it was your right about the energy in the room.

It's so wonderful to be here and you all love what they do as we do and it was a great great.

You're talking about what makes a great music presenter.

What were the results about survey.

I did last minute and we close these comments about what makes a great music radio presenter.

I always want to hear when I'm coaching people of mentoring people.

I always say speak to me like you speaking to your best friend.

Who's your best stylish your best friend is safer and stones and Chloe will speak to me like you're speaking to Chloe you.

No talk to me the things that you talk to each other about I'm just trying to be yourself.

I know it's probably one of the greatest hits of advice that anyone ever given in radio is just be yourself.

I think when I started out in hospital radio when I was 12 or something or 11:00 and they are saying by yourself, but still to this day of this year's I'm still saying the same thing authenticity wins every time the listeners will see straight through you they will they can hear it in your voice of iCarly

Are you a present for a little while you've done breakfast radio? You've done BBC local radio mid morning shows and they doing things for for Hits radio and for Greatest Hits how have you changed over that time in how you think about? What your job is? It's about sense of the day is now and the time that you're on it trying to imagine what the audience is doing because you want to live I started in music radio playing one song saying something playing another and then I wanted to push that a little bit more.

So you said I would be I didn't even showered come off the at 10.

I've been the production studio.

I see the morning show the breakfast team coming in right so I was preparing and creating things for the the next evening show and then from that.

I went onto morning so I went on to breakfast had an incredible run a phenomenal some of the things that we did you know we're just yeah, even I look and I think I did we do that.

And then coming off that and then going and doing speech radio essentially interviewing people because I didn't give you pop stars for years, but when you're interviewing politicians and you're interviewing people that's a different skill set and it's listening the key isn't always listen if you've got the next question written down, but you're going to go to maybe that's not the right question to ask next you've got to the Ark of the interview of where is going and it can surprise you from time to time you could end up somewhere that you never imagine that you would end up and have a great clip that then you can clip off that you can share on social that you've not particularly planned and then coming back to music radio and been on Hits radio which is a predominantly c-hr Brand and then doing Greatest Hits which is a c have been very fortunate that I've worked with some incredible people.

I'm hungry.

I want to learn about coaching over last few days and some presented I spoke to you in the past a very comfortable never want anybody to tell them anything.

I say that nobody craves feedback.

We look at high performance individuals ao tennis players or whoever.

They have coaches you help them they watch every performance back every single show back everyone every without fail.

I'll always try and listen back and flixer.it or listen to at least 78% of it because I want to get better.

I want to learn I'm hungry and exactly the same exactly the same Helen you work with lots of Talent a radio to both music and speech what makes a great host well the qualities that I look for in any Radio 2 presenter for any slots predominantly are warms with and relate those of the three key characteristics that I look for in in anyone that I'm hiring for idea to people who been successful.

Environments are people who are the journalist you move across or TV Talent and sometimes TV Talent river slagging off Jenna from Radio Stoke but when I've worked with TV Talent different Focus sometimes to radio people that I did make some quite good radio presenters with an audience and what I find with some of the people who come from television quite often you'll find they're looking out through a lot more.

You know the people who sat in the studios in the middle of the night for years and years and years and you know really involved themselves in the craft of radio, but really the only people I want on Radio 2 at people who are really enthusiastic to be there and really want to reach out and connect with our audience with sessions from Sunday with lots of pockets and stuff on.

Lotto radio things out on Monday and Tuesday conference because we can get into the nitty-gritty a little bit I know that your session yesterday Helen touch on bench.

I'm not sure everyone is listening understand what a benchmark is but quite a core part of the furniture.

I mean well we got lots of them has the greatest of all radio features which is the highest point of all of UK radio which means it's listening radio which is faster and you know what the secret PopMaster is.

It's really simple.

It's a simple pop music quiz warmer never deviates a can.

Who's a soup kangaroo.

Superbly warm ocular radio presenter.

He's so witty, but he's

He never patronizes the contestants is really interested in them and what they've been up to and they do the quiz one contestant first record then the second contestant winner then takes part in the three and 10 where they have to name three record 3 singles top 10 singles by a single artist in 10 seconds and you know off the back of the master.

We've branch, Downton we stop the PopMaster tool because listeners in their thousands hundreds of thousands for getting in touch saying literally no one in place or a factory or workshop.

Get any work done when PopMaster some decorated decorating you can play wherever you are.

Everyone loves quiz so we in lockdown when everyone was mad on cuisine stuck at home.

We created all day.

Where put master featured in every single show from Breakfast through to tea time maybe after use of do the day in day out stuff on the radio station what things have you picked up from the event of the last 2-days all things were made you think I've seen so much great stuff over last couple of days.

I really loved the audio something that you hosted with three very impressive women from across Europe France CEO of Barra in Sweden and The Thinker who is head of radio for nrk in Norway so really powerful and successful was everything they said when they were talking about the challenges that they were facing.

They are the challenges that we are all facing you know in the UK right across the industry.

But actually listening to the way they were talking about how they were tackling some of those issues.

You know kind of keeping your linear healthy while growing your On Demand etc.

Like made me as she say feel really invigorated and yes, we're doing the right things at the really you know we are we are on there, so we know what we've got to do when we're heading in the right direction.

I just thought it was a great session and it was such a brilliant panel.

They all spoke so fantastically so I particularly enjoyed that yellow really good really good and also sometimes PlayStations you think am I alone in this and somewhere like this you can see people who have the same challenges in the general feeling across all of the festival so far and what I've seen and and talking to me about I think for me.

I saw there was one about cars yesterday, and how are we looking cars and the visualisation of radio which I think is really important.

I've got carplay in my car, but sometimes I find it very difficult to find the radio.

How do I tune into DAB I want it's pushing a lot of digital at me and say but I want to I want to find DAB I want to search for stations and I don't want DAB plus.

I want everything together and it's looking at the future and how we look as an industry in the car the future because you look at cars that you've got a big TV in your car now and it's but it's finding also things that are not distracting to the driver and it's getting it.

Just like that was really another session with BMW and today.

We took for granted the car for 70 years ago.

We were that button through all the entertainment and people like Spotify come on go sometimes have to work hard to benefit in a more digital world heading into a golden age of radio.

I think personality radio was really back now because you know the Spotify and then podcast coming.

The arena, where is what we've got with radio is humans and I haven't got humans in several of the sessions.

You know that I've been to another and sessions that I really enjoyed with my chair of radio on Radio 1 where he was talking about how you grow the next generation of Talent and he talks about the uploader know that they've used for the Radio 1 Christmas schedule where people can submit short demos and they get selected they could appear on Radio 1 over the week between Christmas and New Year which is being rolled out to the industry being hosted through the Radio Academy I'm so thrilled that partnership.

You know it has an industry really successful and strong When We Stand Together yeah, there's also there is a competition for Talent and getting his about the world changing so 20 years ago if you

Being and entertainment personality the radio was on the only places you could do that which may be made radio stations sometimes be a bit tough on Talent because they hold all the cards.

I think now that's pretty different you could become an Instagram star you could tell you can do YouTube if you were you was sort of a 15-year old do you think today? Would you do a YouTube channel probably probably but there's something about radio which is Magic on.

It's still special on the still you know we do worry about younger listening coming in because this is noisy is now then.

How many distractions were there? It's tiktok or Instagram or whatever or YouTube but there's something magical about that Radeon I think in lockdown.

I think lots of kids probably started listening to my radio in lockdown.

You know them then they have in recent years.

So it's and it's given that chance like I did that Radio 1 given that chance to Shine when I left the BBC One BBC local station.

The lady that to cover my she was the winner of the new voices which is and she's just won a bronze area which is great and it just shows you that opening it up to new and diverse voices is such a good thing that we get to hear people that are relatable and from Communities on the radio will hopefully provide a single point where someone maybe interested cancelling.

I didn't realise all these stations were out there all these opportunities are there on a scroll through tiktok and get stuck in like a 40-minute.

What are some of the creativity and that is amazing and some of it is always quite radio like in it's focused and they're getting in and they get out a lot of that would be pretty good on the radio that so, what are we all got coming up so what's coming up on Radio 2 at the next few months? What should be looking out for this week.

We launched our Radio 2 and The One Show GoGo

Why we partnered this is our first major proper hardcore partnership with the one show where we're encouraging all our listeners to look at the stuff.

They doing their daily lives send little changes and tweaks and things that people can make it to the lead a more environmentally friendly more sustainable lifestyle and we've got different themes running through if you carry on listening, there's so he's got a Friday where she's going to talk about what's coming next as part of Radio 2 goes green and then I guess or at you know we got Glass by next month which were hugely excited about the two years of Glastonbury Tor Glastonbury is back and it's going to be amazing but the thing that I'm so excited about is ready live in September going on tour it was moving you anymore.

Yeah, so we're taking it out of the park with doubling in size.

It's going to be over an entire weekend and we go.

And yes, so in June we will be announcing who the actor that we're going to be performing at Radio 2 Live at Leeds and it's really exciting because we're going to get to go out and about and do outreach for the first time Radio 2 hasn't done out range, so we're in the process of creating one outreach for Radio 2 looks like because what he looks like is different for what it does the radio one because of the difference in audience you know so yeah, there's lots of really good stuff coming down the track that radiator keep you busy with you.

Got coming up here we can shows on for our belters which is 90s noughties and 10s dance anthems on a Saturday night, which schedule mum very looking and very privileged that I'm interested to be able to schedule my own music so I spend about maybe 5 or 6 hours scheduling and I love her is the real I think that's what you've got you've got a generation of maybe.

Your 30s or 40s or whatever of people that went out clubbing and reliving and it's very mainstream, but I throw the Old Spice song in there, but you know cos you want to surprise the audience along with grey weekend and David Guetta got some more Greatest Hits work in a pain in the summer as well some more debts which is fun to do and public speaking I've got a brand called believe achieve if you believe it you can achieve it and I am you from a very early age to be on the radio so I made that happen lots of life changes.

Yes, you know getting my career back believe achieve that wants to be back at work believe achieve that is just if you believe that you can anyone listen to this right now whatever you going through in life if it's a bit tough just if you believe and that's positive stuff coming towards you and if you think positively good stuff usually happens.

That's what I believe.

I leave it.

It's a way of doing objective doesn't it's nice to go into businesses.

Large and small and delivered this hour-long keynote and you'll find it reinvigorate people a lot of weight.

It's been great to be back together.

I'm so bored and I just come off stage but just in general to be around like-minded people and to talk about our favourite subject which is ready.

Thank you very much.

Thank you now really days tracks audio leaders from around the world and earlier in the conference, but I caught up with a special guest from the States producer and head of radiotopia Julie Shapiro the role of prx800 pier in the US audio history can sometimes seem a bit confusing from the outside so I started by asking Julie to give us a little run down at the character of their business.

They Public Radio is very strong.

It's at the root of prx is a company prxncess non-profit public media company that specialises in audio journalism in store.

but it's also a podcast partner and publisher and distributor rebuild technology does the technology we want to use with a real dedication to privacy and ethical issues with technology we run a global training program and we open some local community podcast Studios regarding the podcast garages just want to Boston there's one in San Francisco are we due to be a public radio shows that there's a very Direct relationship with stations all over the country and most of all started as was a vessel through which was nurse could find audience and audiences so it does all of those things in the middle of that whole evolution of the company podcasting came about and so the devotion and dedication to producing the space shifted into podcasting and that's when I'm around that time period started building apps there were some of the first companies building apps for listening and then radiotopia is a podcast network that's

TRX that came out of the moment where things were turning around a little bit of a lot of the Public Radio producers that were part of the larger independent Community in the US start making their own shows disappear into create a system support for the shows at the time and monetizing to sell ads and promoting and helping with technology and fundraising together.

So it is a revolutionary idea at the time and then probably stands apart from other networks in a way that maybe it's still as I hope so hard.

It shows people might have heard of 99% invisible by Roman Mars he co-founded radiotopia with T-Rex before I was involved directly or distribution for this like this American Life as well.

It's tomatoes appear which other characters supporting from the start and lately is really extended our partnerships and tell them that works like a future remedial.

They just want to pull in.

Series and religion and sports and audio networks, so it is really sore stretched into being a good partner to all of these other networks out there now.

Day's there's not two places actually put Costas to go people to take shows two networks, we see things like Spotify spending huge amounts of money on hiring in Talent or taking place behind behind a paywall and traitors.

Have a lot of different things to think about having a in where they store their programs or who they work with two to make them maybe a question of priority for people that do they want to own their clothes than working with lyrics or radiotopia might be the best route to go and appealing round to go don't have bags of money line around the room so we have to we work with sharks in British waters that are really on their way self-motivated invest in themselves.

You know really driven understand the work ahead.

A big network either so there until lot of shows that look but that's because we don't have the Band With The Savoy London shows and I've Been Ready To Be A comes with certain obligations of stroke its own expect people willingly and the things that drop them to radiotopia to as I said we fundraise together once or twice a year that shows are constantly cross promoting each other's really have family and we will talk about it.

You know a Rasta in the network that we are family work community we foster community amongst our listeners and amongst the Producers so just kind of the sociological aspect of Radio 2.

I think of heels to people for people who may be in an organisation, but I thinking about their own audio dreams and what they will do later on.

What advice.

Would you give those people today prepare them to take that next step it depends on how ambitious you feel because it's such a competitive world out there.

So you know how much of a ram.

Do you have this?

After something exciting and you have the support that you need how important is it to you on your show because otherwise you could try to sell an idea to somebody else to help help you make it I think having an idea that sounds funny you specialise in you have proximity to you.

Don't need to be a celebrity at least in our opinion, but of course I should draw a lot of attention over looking for the stories that are necessary the big spicy stories and what is an idea.

You know the spellings of limited series vs.

Ongoing shows that something we think about a lot the ongoing so just easier to support overtime the limited series are kind of Fast And You Know and they got the expression and they're coming down.

I mean the existing people move on to the next one is really this balance of attention that shows get and I think it's just really hard.

I think making podcast is easy and it's just such hard work and we just I feel like we work with the most incredibly impressive memberships producers and they work hard and I'm like that.

Apology that you can just like pay somebody or someone to pay you money and Meghan podcast and help me make it but you can do research about audience you can have a sense.

I have a game plan.

I would know your first 24-hours before you put anybody seen those longevity in the idea.

I would find pharmacy want to work with them in a lot of really tough as a relationship and Eric's as well and I think that you wanna evolution understand your own emissions respect admire can help you see them through that's so kind of Pollyanna person to get people's attention even ask evening.

We need to persist actually it's funny Nigel with your Hussle talks about the three P's of working in a prison persistence politeness and patience and I feel like they're actually is pretty good for the three P's of bad casting it doesn't come quick contrary to popular belief where you did but I show in a medium.

It's getting very much and it's an art form.

I think people have to hand that crap to get better.

Listen, I'm finding time to listen themselves and understand what they like and don't like him.

What works and doesn't work beyond the dichotomy of good and bad all of these things I think the Foundation of creating a creative vision that you can lend support with a shower and that will try that was Julia Shapiro VP of editorial at Dr xand radiotopia and producer of the amazing podcast about prison life ear hustle you can hear the rest of my chat with Julie including.

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We've come to the end of the conference and Elegance of trickling out to the airport, but I've managed to pin down to media podcast favourites for a bit of bad news with me and Paul Robinson hello both hello together.

So people like you and we did a couple of the session session on Ukraine and then we can have a small on but no space grey great today's racing at home.

You might think why all these people go on about it, but someone who works in in the audio Sektor invigorating when I come to radio days, I think so too what I love about this conference will sense of shared agenda.

I think you know 50 countries but people got the same as you same challenges same opportunities and they're willing to share and you really had a chance to learn if you come in with an open mind and

Things I can pick up a you really do walk away with stuff you can take back to your business.

Is it is like a big family.

I mean I really feel like Lee the organising team but also the people who attend it's a huge dining table with 1200 chairs round.

It's not as much as corporate conferences as lots are regulatory piece of operated by some public broadcasters as well, so there's definitely a broader field and hey witch on a telly sumproduct will get your cash in the door.

I think about the main stage on the first day.

You know one session.

There's two guys who writing a song in 1-hour and people throwing ideas for morning cinnamon buns at the end of it with cinnamon buns.

I'm not quite sure how that works and then he had grant from Southern Cross austereo talking about this information in transforming 99 radio stations 106 podcast in 5-years and that was a great example of strategy, but he made it really come alive you know.

The problems and it was very honest about it, but one line that start with this idea of Strategy first operation second.

I think about what you gonna do and then do it and I'm just so clear haven't seen such a great articulation of stretched it was but it was really accessible will Grant is where you're from James Daniel Australia bit of a trek to get here.

I took the 7th longest commercial flight in the world from Darwen which is a place.

I've never been before but I've seen it now, so I don't need to go again up to a Heathrow yeah, it's a long journey.

Why do you decide to spend a day coming over to radio taste, so wonderful experience because they and I'm seeing up to people who haven't seen for you know two and a half years everybody looks two-and-a-half years older which is a little weird.

I think one of the things radio is that you are always listening to Radio in your own country and so you're listening to you know my in my case study a b c and a bit of triple am in a bit of b105 and all that.

Staff and I'm not listening to Radio from other countries and so what radio days Europe does being an English language event looking across Europe and other places as well is just get all of those ideas all together as one thing you know it's really exciting time and it's just great to hear so many people so positive about radio and Radio future and they make you do some work while you're here looking at some stage quite a bit.

There was a session where you talk about interesting tech that the radio stations could use died down that was pretty good also chatted to one of the big spot bosses here in from Sweden yes, that's right content.

What did he say about what Spotify up to really interesting talking to out of your hands c247.it really interesting talking to him.

He most countries Spotify has different people in charge of music to podcasting.

Particular case in the nordics, it's just him and that's great because he has this complete overview over all of the content that Spotify has and you know really interesting you know ask is Spotify going to eat at all for breakfast.

How can radio work together with Spotify and what sort of content is working on that platform.

What was your big takeaway for my new insight into how they think yeah? I think I was surprised that they get a lot of content made for them in this world, but they are using independent production houses and radio companies.

Don't seem to want to help make content for Spotify what I would get from him.

Is he would love to work with ready a little bit more and is finding it quite difficult because we're being a little bit stand on this and I thought that was a really interesting side this definitely something about.

Platform so historically six or seven years at radiator is it will all be about getting your content to other places to iTunes back there Norton Spotify or other third parties and party that was driven by broadcast his own platforms may be being a bit dodgy confidence about people zone platforms about keeping content there or windowing.

Did you get there was a confidence from the radio sector about technology that maybe we haven't quite seen for a while.

I did I felt it now being sort of integrated rather being seen as an add-on being integral to the industry.

That was a bit separate.

I think the Spotify station which you did James was fabulous.

I mean one thing I noticed was there was some antagonism some people in the audience to school Spotify the question and I noticed in the the last session on the 30 ideas that the lady from radio-canada was very clear saying we are building our own platform.

We wanted on our own clan War

You are going to see Sutton broadcasters going down that route and and deciding that's the way they're going to go.

I think in business.

Generally everything about you where we can always suppliers with providers now.

You were you competitors and sometimes.

They can be compressed to and sometimes.

They can be you know someone you working alongside.

So I think the world has changed.

It's judging how to get the best out of those two things but ultimately we can have a everyone is slightly closer on now.

We know a bit more about everyone is up to you.

That's everything even the big digital operators.

We heard from people talking insights from their laps around systems mean stations in broadcasters, quite a good position to decide what they want to do next now on they think they are the thing that concerns me slightly is if you are a broadcast and particularly a public service broadcaster.

Your job is to serve the public and your job is not a bully them into downloading an app what you should be doing in my

But I'm allowed an opinion as well is The Lorax should be you know the best experience because of course you can surrounded with incredible content but you should be just one of those places where the public can find your content my concern is that we see the same kind of splinter.in going on as we seeing in video platforms where you have to have video apps on your Chromecast just to be able to watch stuff.

I'm a bit concerned with seen that in terms of Radio as well and pull your in the vod world quite a lot a lot territories and people using a variety of apps to consume content do we think the radio is sorted going the same way? I think it might be a natural thing that happens when you get a new technology.

You know you have a thousand flowers bloom in an overtime you get consolidation and rationalisation I suspect the boat TV and radio both gonna go through that James has just said I think there may be a slight difference may not be correct.

No evidence for baby.

That is nrk in the BBC with talking and maybe a licence fee funding broadcast.

It's gone slightly different relationship because it is Direct funding from the government.

There's no need or not the same move patient from the public as a licence fees paid really because you're willing to pay it because you see value and so if there's a risky not seen valley because content says on YouTube it may be a particularly.

I don't know that's just a theory but on on TV and what's happening now.

Is you know you've got Disney Amazon and Netflix which are the three major platforms.

It's been some work done in America and there's more more launch their the average number of apps for household is three-and-a-half and increase supplies not increasing at number for three-and-a-half.

It's a bit less than that in the UK and a bit less in your fat 2.93 of services is all you going to pay for unless.

It's a really specialised once they might be you know if someone came along with an amazing trains.

On Demand service you might buy that a bit like the top shelf will not touch magazine you might buy in the past so I think you're going to see consolidation all the studios of vertically integrated you know I'd 9apps is going to be sustainable in TV and probably not in radio either something was just saying it's absolutely right, but we probably going through a phase everyone's having a go at doing their own thing whether or not I spent a lot will go by the wayside coming is YouTube into the podcast in space already.

Lot of data shows that uses the young users regard YouTubers pox if you're traditionalist you look at that and no it's not hasn't got any shows on but the people that use it and like it.

They see two guys usually guys having a conversation for an hour and a half content services platforms, but YouTube get more into podcasts.

You reported it in input news and that's both audio and video.

Reported in about 2 or 3 months ago basically elite that I got which was at the set of slides from YouTube showing what's their new podcast experience was going to be on YouTube are going to import RSS feeds so all of your favourite shows will be in there and it will be very interesting and exciting to see what that means for podcasting but you would have that apple apple and stupid there.

They're bound to make an Android version of the Apple podcasts app at some point because now to make them some money so I think those two things are going to be quite changes when you get into the podcasting landscape earlier today about benchmarks, and how important benchmarks are in radio particularly solicitors and obviously we can't have a show without everybody benchmark the media quiz so this week.

It's entitled name that story I've got four Media headlines that have happened away from the conference and on.

To do with the audio industry been able to tell me how many words you believe it will take you to get to the story correctly and how many words get it wrong and I'm going to release another word until you get it with you Paul how many words would you like to name that story in 55 David Tennant and Catherine Tate Doctor Who correct that is correct get a return to Doctor Who in 2023.

Are you a fan of the doctor? I am actually I've watched it since the very beginning and I'm really pleased about that.

We're getting there.

He was great in sex education.

I think he was the one who really stole the screen time.

He became the star of it and I think he's going to revive it so I think with the combination Trust

Davis and him, I'm reinvigorated with doctor who knows I've not like Jodie Whittaker but I think this is going to give it a new lease of life, so I'm very excited about the new Doctor Who series for next year very excited and so you went to James I've got a TV and music story for you.

Good luck on this music.

Let's let's go for just a like and see if I can keep all your final Peaks with well.

This is presumably the audience figures out of the Eurovision well done the UK for becoming as well done Ukraine what's for the coming first Peaks with a random number.

I don't know 100 million viewers where in the UK

Delighted that they will probably be putting it on next year with all of that associated cost but I'm sorry to have to do that is one of the BBC getting all the brownie points of wine or a nice winter the BBC and for you and it might be eating hybrid show perhaps whoever helps the next year got a legal story for you.

How many would you like to go to take to fall off time? No, I'm gonna have to go for as well and I'm still going behind if you get this right.

I've got to go for Wayne Rooney to give donation for his to pay this is Wayne Rooney in the Christie trial has Jamie Vardy attend court for the first time for a little better by then yes James have you been coming back?

Thankfully, no Coleen Rooney has accused Rebekah Vardy of leaking story from Instagram channel the case continues.

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