Read this: RadioToday Roundtable July 2020

The radiated a program with broadcast bionics working with the world's leading broadcasters and equipment suppliers to transform into a technology and workplace edition of the radio today round table and let's see who is virtually around our table starting with Mike hi.

It's Michael Hill at I run radio player which is the broadcaster backed radio platform now in 12 countries around the world started about 9 years ago in the UK as a collaboration between the BBC and commercial radio now very heavily focused on the future of radio in car dashboards.

Hello, I'm Jimmy Buckley strategy for wireless Radio and audio division and I also look after wireless Studios which is the in-house podcast production units funny profile radio and news publisher.

Lucky enough to be part of a very exciting project in the last few months to launch x radio brother and I present The Listening Project BBC Radio 4 fortunately with the little minx for BBC sounds the world service called my perfect country to have you with us.

We will talk about x radio sadly will have to talk about some cutbacks as well and we'll have some recommendations from other Palace things that will improve what's going into your ears, but I just want to start we record this the day of the announcement that the government is finally putting some investment into the Arts and it's took particularly about music venues and theatres.

There's nothing especially for radio but I assume as an industry.

We welcome this let me start with you feel you must know people as I do who have really suffered you.

Pandemic do you think this is broadly good news good news.

I think it sounds like a big amount of money.

Doesn't it? But actually if you spread that farts with a capital t.

I think it already people are worrying about whether it's going to go far enough and the most important thing heard from so many people is just the passion that they have all had to continue with what they're doing and to find some small way.

I think most of all I know her freelancer very accepting you know of their place in the world and the fact that you know they may not be seen as very high priority but the passion with which they want to be able to resume.

You know not just a living but doing what they do you know is hugely.

I think underestimated and it's a voice that hasn't really been heard and you'll understand why you know most people don't have an offer.

Sympathy for what they might see as the entertainment sector units the add-on Extra in such a world of crisis, but it's just hugely important for as much to come back as is humanly possible.

You know none of us wants to imagine a post coronavirus world where the entertainment industry has died.

We just don't want that to happen.

You know it may seem like a peripheral thing at the moment, but it's not actually it's really integral.

I'm guessing that you because you're working at the coal face of commercial radio of come across the fact as we talked about this before advertising revenue is down and so some of these cuts not just in radio, but everywhere in the Arts and live music.

I just inevitable on me.

Well, I think the heavy organisation will inevitably have to make significant cut some certainly at our organisation and use UK whilst there is a programme at work looking at how we transform ourselves and how to take account of what we've learnt from this pandemic.

We're focused on here very much still on investing in the areas that are going to drive our future digital growth and certainly within wireless return on investing what I would say though is the number of discussions with government ministers and civil servants adcms over recent months as have others in your industry and it's very clear that there are a number of sectors to have been coming to treasury and said can we have some support and in many cases the message that's come back.

He is saying that he wants to provide support on the industry basis was quite interesting is to see here a sector which actually has been able to show that it's Inception and actually probably will not be open.

He has most of the sexes and therefore it is receiving this specific package is certainly the case that radio has not had a sector-specific package there isn't a specific program advertising spend by the government on Radio 4 that would you support the kind of initiatives that happened within the live music sector where letters were saying you know for God's sake send us some money now, but the interesting thing with without sector is we are Open For Business and we all know that commercial radio and radio advert can be a very powerful tool for stimulating economic growth and there is a direct correlation.

That's been shown in many excellent radiocentre studies between advertising and sales performance.

So there is an interesting question as to whether there a government measures that could be targeted at accelerating advertising spend to in turn provide some.

The wider economy more radio stations, what's happening at the moment? What's the trend in terms of the kind of radio that is being made obviously we'll talk about x radio in a minute, but just do you have any general thoughts about what's coming out of people's March speakers and car dashboards and everything else previous position in that we can see across the radio industry through our apps and players who's listening to what will always very careful with that information.

We know that it's very sensitive data, but we can talk about general trends.

You know in between February and March for example listening listen.

I should say reach to radio jumped by 50% last seen anything like that before we seen the occasional spike after big news events for example, but it was across the board and I dug into the figures that or what was driving that.

Combination of speech stations people trying to stay in touch and music stations that help people manage their moods for want of a better term you know we were all very I don't know if you can remember but we were all very very alone in our houses thinking what's going to happen and I think people were using me music and radio to manage their moods and to stay in touch, so yeah 50% reach just to be clear to help Stuart to be writing a news article right now.

It is that just threw radio player figures.

Yes, that's all we can see obviously is through our players and our apps.

It's a good sample to pick samples millions of people have downloaded are apps over the years.

So it's very robust sample and I I would stand by that probably being the same for Fred apple smart speaker used in home listening diary of course in car listening will have gone down very significantly in that time significant news.

I wanted to ask you about.

How listeners reacted to you during the lockdown particularly through fortunately the pod that you do with Jane it seems to me as I listened to it the it's all about wanting to be friends with these two people and might want to say that people want friendship at a time like lockdown a time of stress and 10.

Do you think I don't underestimate this actually you've got more friends now because people are really desperate to meet you.

Yes is the honest and I think Jane and I've been quite humbled actually by the amount of friendship that we have kind of generated around fortunately since stop down started and we were very aware right from the get-go in that first week that people just really wanted us to speak very honestly and very nice.

Kind of ASDA radio friends about what we were feeling so you know fortunately is always been just a bit of a gander around both of our lives and our heads and I think never more so actually than over the last 10 weeks.

Well.

We've been incredibly honest about how difficult we found everything and about how anxious we were at the beginning and How Little We understood and we both very much ditched any level of in a slightly more kind of hierarchical broadcasting that we both do you know Jane more so than me on Woman's Hour because it's a live programme is covering all of those events that the stuff I done The Listening Project as well as a different time to it and we fortunately we were absolutely the same as our listeners.

I think and what came back at us.

What's the most wonderful feeling of camaraderie and sharing it all together and people have told us incredible stories about how hard they found it and funny stories about what they've been doing.

It's been a really joyful thing as well as a very cathartic thing to do and hopefully to listen to and do you know what I'm not at all surprised by increasing radio listenership, because I think you know what we all know as radio professionals has really come to the fore isn't it that actually our job is quite simple what we do is simple and it is just being somebody's mace in the corner of the room with the car.

You know your headphones and you don't never have people needed that and wanted it more so it's lovely that we've all managed to do it really isn't it took you the different styles of podcasting and broadcasting we had Chris Mason on last month talking about this Jane has on this show as well that somehow fortunately is more hurt than Woman's Hour and that I think you know that putting words into a mouth.

I think sometimes.

Ok, but you know what I'm saying she does think that woman's are is a bit of a constraint sometimes.

There's a sense of well read this.

Do you know this is Radio 4 forgot? You've got really describe it going to make it up you obviously make programs and the like that as well where there is a given to that Radio 4 and the stations are going to develop more of a sense of that we cannot do that now.

We've got a move on into a more convivial and engaging style presentation that style of broadcasting is what people want then.

I think it would be extremely hard to stay doing something that might make you sound a little bit dated now to touch.

I mean the only caveat that I put into that is that if you're doing a news program.

I think it's always going to be important for the

To retain a certain tone which is about impartiality and it's about being authoritative and you know you need to stay very much on point for that, but I think if you're trying to convey what people are thinking feeling and want to talk about then.

Yes, you do have to have a different town now and why not.

I mean radios always change doesn't have you listened to the stuff that went out in the 1960s.

It would be unrecognisable to the Wave Radio 4 speaks now.

This is a very good introduction to a whole new radio station which is claiming to do some of those things it's called x radio and Jimmy Brooklyn works for the same company Jimmy I'm not expecting anything other than peers of Praise but I guess genuinely there must be feeling in the building that the launch went very well with paste with how the launch went.

Yes, we were gratified to.

Nice comments both from listeners and also from people in the industry.

We certainly respect and look to with some interest but of course we'll all know I missed call radio station is something that is not created overnight and I think we've x radio we know that it's very much a long-term process of building a brand that something that we get me over the next year in the coming years and continuing to develop the sound and take them would be back in until look at how we can market and promote the stations between a wider audience as well, but yes free the initial feedback.

We had David Hepworth from the radio x on This podcast last month Jimmy and he said I just can't work out who it's for so I'm if you can help us with that you know when you sit around the strategy meetings that I'm sure you must attend.

Who is it aimed at it clearly not just people.

Song from Radio 4 who do you have in mind as listeners but we were fortunate enough to be able to spend some time doing some research in coming up with the proposition 4 x radio original research, but we also quite heavily on some insight that the times and the times marketing team that developed around the audience when used in this country and I think what was interesting was that they identified a cohort of people who are interested in using current affairs want to know what's going on in the world off another time for that might be because of personal and family commitments.

It might be because too many of our daily lives and of course what audio does what radiators all of us will be where is it fits around play Happy effectively so for a news publisher like the Times the opportunity after 235 years of Dana voice and moving to audio what about reaching that.

People it can be anyone across the UK was interested in using current affairs, but I think in terms of tonality and sound would probably are focusing more on those under the age of 55 time to bring some of what they described their around that human feel that a conversation and intelligent well-informed conversation can offer can I come to you as it is it attracted you? Have you have you moved away from any listing that might have been to four or five or talker LBC actually I found my listening to be really disrupted since the pandemic.

I used to have two long train journeys every day and I used to sort of voraciously consuming all sorts of audio on those journeys, and I don't have them anymore working from home so I'm desperate to replace that listening time in my day so actually but I found that what I listen to has been thrown up in the air rather a lot.

I've also rang.

Had tough days and managing my moods and trying to stay positive and we all have I'm sure so I've tried to stop listening to so much news on those days, so probably listening to my music generally I started listening to x radio obviously because it's a new radio station but also because I need it will be talking about it today and I listen to a lot over the last 4 days and I've been really chuffed with it actually it's definitely on my on my presets now.

I think it's really diverse and I don't just mean so the ethnically diverse.

I mean play diverse really good gender balance as well sounds like a good age balance.

I can't really tell but it sounds like you know relatively youthful line up.

I really enjoyed this stuff about Theatre and cooking and archaeology in books and I really love give me the way that you're allowing the topics to run for longer.

I think probably.

Longer it feels like then any other sweet station really let things run which I really love obviously haven't got ad breaks to contend with and you haven't really got a sort of fixed schedule like radio four house, but it feels it feels really expensive and warm and I've just been sticking with it.

It's been great.

You're welcome news that Jimmy in the advertising that you require a list of people expected to be on x radio you one of them that don't comment about that but tell me what you've made of it as a listener play with them lots of people had a chat with them.

I had a chat with them.

It is wonderful we are expecting me to say that I think it's really good to do so that I like it too, but I'm too old for them really.

So I think I would agree that the lesson things are on a bit longer is really pleasurable.

I think is special at the moment.

I think we're all very Wellington brace something that doesn't feel like it's hassling us but also I mean obviously you know there are quite a few people on the station who previously have been on Radio 4 and 5 Live and lots of other stations that I have loved listening to so nothing feels like it's a shock which I also enjoy I think it's my nearest being brilliant at breakfast.

She is brilliant.

She's been particularly brilliant at being on it like a car bonnet.

So you know she doesn't even get away with everything and I really enjoy.

Already and I thought I listen to mariella Frostrup the other afternoon and she gave a guy who was defending the Chinese government's policy and Hong Kong such a fantastic going out in a very good.

It's just a really brilliant radio wave at one point.

She just said look I've only been able to ask you two questions stop giving me such logos answers, and it was absolutely what you were thinking as the home so I would I think it's really good.

I think it's really really good and I hope it continues to sell on at that speed actually so turn out of the X radio.

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It's a shame and quite sad when you hear about the cutbacks and then when you look at what David Lloyd likes to call their luxurious management structure.

You do think they can.

Coming does anybody want to pick this one up? I'm going to go actually to you do me but I think the first thing to say is this is not the death of local radio.

I think what was for me in this story was perhaps an instance of a broadcast to do it's very best to try and manage the communications and I think when there are so many parties involved beer Union management different sites and son sometimes that's that's hard to do so I think what does seem to have happened? Is that a lot of people have been unsettled by this announcement which obviously is a shame for those and yeah, we hope that they can get some answers and comfort and clarity as soon as possible because I'm pretty sure that the BBC is not planning to move away from providing local radio and I'm sure that we will continue to see a restaurant commitment to the BBC from local radio in the future BBC does Arsenal have a 477 million-pound content budget allocated to the next year for radio content so I think.

Expecting to be able to find a significant portion of that for local radio and one of the things that jumped out to me and with wireless.

It will be very sorry to see some very talented colleagues leave wireless.

We have our last year and it was interesting to see the BBC talking about and in some cases wanting to do more.

I think three towns that they picked out with thermostat.

We know welcome Radio interview in Blackpool and Wolverhampton and Bradford and it was interesting to see the BBC saying actually we might do more in the future it might yeah.

I mean it dun dun.

Si shrinkage job cuts are never good news in the short-term.

It's always a massive shop for the individuals affected and I've been there.

I know what it's like, but it almost always comes good in the end.

I think what's happening here is that BBC local radio in changing its schedules to respond to the pandemic realise?

Do things differently and this pattern was seeing it repeated across several different sectors actually car companies we work with a lot of car companies there.

They've received a massive shock during this crisis some of them are frankly still reeling from it, but the best of them are saying ok right for what we gonna do now then and there are already read strategize retooling and heading in different directions to what they were thought they were heading in six months ago, and I think there's a bit of that here and I welcome that I think you know all that is awful for the individuals.

It will probably result in a stronger BBC local radio structure in the in a long time.

What do you make of it? Well? I suppose I just really want to emphasize that point about how this for the individuals my heart sinks that whenever I read about local radio being slashed having started and local radio and obviously The Listening Project is entirely powered by the most.

Hard-working local radio producers and I suppose what I think about these cuts and particular is just the way that it does seem to have gone for the you know the very the people at the bottom of tree I mean and BBC language.

It's below spj.

Senior broadcast journalist where I think they're hoping to make most of the redundancies and those will be young for you.

It's a highly competitive business, so if you've managed to get your foot in the door at BBC local radio station then you're really good at your job already and I think it's a terrible shame in a fast-paced ever-changing industry that it might be those people who the BBC loses because you know the BBC just needs that yungblud at the moment.

So you know it is a youthquake going on and so they should be so my heart sinks about that.

I mean it's hardening you know to hear all of you.

I don't want to call you long in the tooth gentleman, but all of your experience.

Mature professionals saying the positive in this you know night.

I take that from the if you believe that you know this makes her stronger community stations.

You know and that BBC local radio will live in the long run then.

I'll take your expertise on that but just as a worker bee.

I just really feel for my colleagues.

I think it's harsh and also they've done such a bloody good job.

You know they've had over and calls and texts and emails to the make a difference campaign during lockdown.

You know they've undoubtedly really help people and turn people's lives around and save them from loneliness and put them in touch with food banks.

You know they've done a really really good job.

So if you're sitting on her you know local radio station at the moment.

You know wondering whether or not you're going to still have open 3 weeks time and you're knackered and emotionally exhausted from all of that.

I just really feel for them really feel for them at the other end of the BBC Three Tim Davies to be the new.

The general this broke just after I think hours after last month's roundtable, so we didn't have a chance to discuss it then.

I think all of us know him cos we've worked with him in one Way Or Another David man who likes to run very long distances and he's going to have to do quite a lot of running in this job.

I guess what do we think his appointment means for the share of the radio land indeed online audio at the BBC absolutely not the continuity candidate although he's coming from inside his energetic.

He's inpatient the clocks always ticking in his head and in many ways I suspect it easier to be radical.

If you sat in board meetings frustrated by the bottlenecks from the inside of the organisation.

You know where there's bottlenecks are he'll be hitting the ground running you know if you say running is this thing I remember he was the architect of radio play.

It was his idea when he was director of radio the BBC I remember standing in his office with a flip chart and it felt like a very precious situation.

I was sort of designing the radio player model live in real time in his office sketching on the flip chart and no no no and then eventually I drew something almost in desperation that work as a kind of organisational structure and a logical structure as well and he said all I'm just off on two weeks holiday if that still fits when I come back.

Let's do it and that was the birth of radio and he's very impatient very energetic and I think he'll be a great thing he is also the man who wanted to kill 6 Music though.

Well, we all make mistakes.

Let's leave that one hanging did you work with Tim on to the radio festivals and things like that? I haven't worked closely with him on a personal level but certainly have been involved in a number of projects that have his fingerprints on them and might mention Radioplayer there.

I mean I remember I was working at radiocentre when I first took on the role it director of audio music and I think one of the things that I recall from that period was that he embraced partnerships with industry or he certainly a man for that he would seek to embrace partnerships with commercial radio that would be my question is a man who has huge commercial acumen marketing experience was a market here before the BBC and wouldn't it be great if the applied that not just on behalf of BBC but on behalf of the broadcasting sector in this country more generally and I think one area that's

Interesting to think about in relation to that and technology because all of the broadcasting sector faces some external challenges and changes a lot of that is with the influence of technology platforms over help broadcasting content is consumed and it would be great.

Thank you Tim and the BBC that he leads in Brasted will ships mindset and how we tackle questions around platforms and around access to British audio and and radio content from our perspective with finding it very hard to get traction with the Amazons and the Google's of this world radio is no longer in charge of the distribution parts in those platform and I think we're going to have to get together as a sector and work out how to talk to people who are becoming incredibly influential in the consumption of our content.

I think when he arrived as head of BBC Radio there was a lot of scratching about what's this guy whose main claim to fame is painting a car called Bluetooth launch some kind of brand of Pepsi what the hell does he know about radio but actually what I need not be there very long people began to warm to him very much.

You know he burn kind of manager was he was quite encouraging free.

Did you ever have any personal dealings with him a couple of times, but isn't it funny, but only at the BBC could people scratch their chins in a mild horror at the notion of someone who's hugely successful coming into organisation and being able to understand us.

I think he's really good news.

I mean I don't know him personally.

He's never been directly in charge of any.

Brands that I've been making but I think he's really good with Talent I've not heard anybody that tell her to tell the word isn't it? I've not heard any other presenters.

Have a whinge and a moon in the same way that they might have done that other people right at the top of the tree.

I think all of that experience in the outside world can only be a good thing for the BBC because you know like the referred to as bottlenecks of being able to get over that hurdle of the W1 anus of the BBC kills creativity.

That's what happens.

You'll get you know you have a fantastic idea and it gets trapped in that bottleneck and all we do is to get ideas from our brains.

You know out into the audience and I think he just really gets that and you know the slight that he's always had a wee comes from marketing.

The BBC needs and marketing realise I really good thing that's a good stripe to have on your shoulder at the moment.

So you know I don't want to sound to Ollie and Janice about him, but it is a good appointment.

I think it is so and I hope he really does the business as well.

Let's all go and look up.

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Where are the July around table with fee Glover with Jimmy Buckley and might kill.

This is the real exciting bit where we find out what they've been listening to and what they would like to recommend for hourly.

Pleasure, let us start with Jimmy I'm going to start with a confession which is I've been busy helping launch radio station and some of her own output and I'm afraid cards on the table.

I have two recommendations from our own fault which I know it's not really well.

You're very kind to me so that we can have some other recommendations from elsewhere as well from frumpy and Mike so too quick recommendations.

Just today's episode of stories of our times which is our Daily Podcast that we will the latest the Times is just fascinating so today be Monday but it obviously still be available across the week and it's investigating the origins of the virus and one of the exciting things when we get access to exclusive journalism the Times and Sunday Times of worked on a Podcast episode tells the story of yesterday's exclusive which made the front page investigating whether virus came from and could it over Ridge

NHS laboratory, so that's why were that listens and man been as she always does this a lovely job of telling a story a group of men were sent to work clearing out and mine a copper mine.

It was incredible place and it's teeming with bats rats and shrews in the time that had been left abandoned would have been completely cold spyderbats to the floor was covered with bat droppings and there was fungus and all sorts of things it smelled absolutely Revolting when you went into there.

The men's task was to clear that out after 2 weeks some of them became ill.

What was happening to them down with very 19 like symptoms, so they had pneumonia high fever cough 6 men contracted pneumonia some have to be in the mine for only a matter of a few days.

They were gradually admitted to the hospital one by one because the new menu was so so serious the hospital with mystified.

They didn't quite know what it was.

They gave them a huge number of tests for all sorts of exotic diseases, they didn't do the tests until after 2 could already died and 3 would die sadly.

This is quite a lethal coronavirus.

It wasn't soz but something quite like a nice back in 2012 so it years ago.

I think that's influenced in a very good and positive Way by

The great work of the New York daily that comes out of the New York Times splendid stuff stories of our time is Jimmy your second choice.

We've all responded in different ways haven't been to the black matter movement and one of the interesting features of that movement is how it impacted on all of us as broadcasters and maybe it's just me but I'm always fascinated in language and the the role and impact that different words and language can have and there's a really interesting discussion in torts gameday podcast from Thursday which is trying to understand bias in an episode you hear Sam matterface is talkSPORT Steve commentator with Trevor Sinclair and Darren Lewis from the mirror and Alex Crook discussing the power that different interns can have in terms of conditioning a racially biased understanding or football and a footballer's so there's a really fascinating discussion about how certain language.

Standards code for race and different racial characteristics, so just a really interesting discussion and obviously for talkSPORT and for any sports broadcaster a fascinating discussion and prompting all of us as to how the language we use can condition some prevailing racial stereotypes that perhaps we need to move away from when I talk about that also the number of people who phoned in to that radio show that night and bombarding my Twitter feed someone who would like some people don't know the history II you know I know I know I know I know what you stand for so what I'm saying is that it was a subject that we discussed that people were upset by Andy didn't understand what I was saying like I say we are the generation of people who you know black and white and some cases don't know their history and so sometime.

About letting people to the background behind these words that are being used inadvertently inadvertently to reinforce stereotypes that another general Trevor language is really important and we have to be careful with it.

We have to be thoughtful about the words we use for a variety of different reasons and we don't always get just listening to what Darren said there.

I've been guilty of that before in particular cases where you know you have got an incredibly strong and that's the wrong.

That's the game Day podcast from TalkSport thank you Buckland Mike Hill now.

This is a piece of radio most people using podcast these days, but it's some good old radio and very

Yeah, you know I said earlier.

I've been managing my moods while working from home and going slightly crackers well, Craig Charles has been helping me with that Craig Charles Funk and Soul Show on 6 music listen to via radio player where else so if you just get your radio player app tapping Craig Charles you'll see all his programs from 6 Music and he's been recently doing some look back at his DJ sets and they are full of energy and positivity their fantastic.

So if you're having a bad day wake on Craig Charles Funk and Soul Show particularly the ones where he's doing his Glastonbury DJ sets Farm play The Pussy parlour when we started out in the dance Village

The hell stage stage Friday afternoon and pick sets that we care so much about the tensioning sometimes even now as a DJ people come and you always do you have turned into a feature a glass with a really and I will be forever grateful and it will return I'll be there.

Hope you will be to come out this year that had already Glastonbury the Harlem gospel travelers.

Sure, I would have given them a spin at where the farm this weekend then tracked fight on coming up very shortly console on 6 music from Glastonbury and now the canyons of your mind.

So this is a podcast.

I've just covered while judging the excellent British podcast Awards which are coming up on Saturday evening of course this was called mind canyon and it's nominated in those Awards it's a kind of improvised audio mind trip and it's done by improvisation comedians is cannabis oil a compliment to what's becoming increasingly a surreal world and I'm finding it a very good compliment that you've got a lot of tattoos all over your face I can see yes, yeah, absolutely.

So, what do you want done on your arm face the lyrics to silent whisper song by Wham George Michael how old is Michael George Michael George Michael by George Michael George Michael Andrew Ridgeley absolutely fine one of them, but there's something.

Thank you for that.

I wonder if it will win who knows the mind Canyon podcast and good luck to everybody who.

Teaching in the British podcast awards on Saturday we've got two left both from fee Glover see what you going to choose first, so I've got two very very different podcast the first of them is anthems which is made by broccoli content very short podcasts always around the theme of first-person experience so different person will just pick something like shame or guilt or pain or pleasure and basically just a 7 or 8 minutes essay about what that means to them and if that sounds a bit high polluting it just couldn't be further from that.

They are absolutely beautiful.

I listen to one by Hana walker-brown about faith and one by Scotty about shame and they just take you into another person's head then never longer.

I think the longest one on there and they're about 30 or 40 choose from.

Is 12 minutes most of them a six or seven minutes, so they're just beautiful little things to listen to if you want to get out of your own head and I'm a writer and space in London a lot of my work centres on exploring blackness queerness sexual and reproductive Justice and the history is combined with in all of these right now.

I'm in my living room up on ottoman, watching old episodes of catfish cos that's where I'm at right now.

Your word of the day is on full black where people were constantly in motion in Action on the move from underground organising and process instigated to contributions to Critical and radical thought we provided to the ways we sharp one another again and again, but it's tiring work.

It's tireless work.

I watch my activist friends continually sperm yards and yards of creativity out of urgency that agency hinges on providing those coming after us with more than what we had it's also a pain the pain of knowing that if they don't continue to build the spaces if they don't advocate on behalf of our marginalized Communities stories will continue to be lost experiences will continue to be in the voices will continue to be drowned out anthems from broccoli, broccoli.

One of the chief people there now cuz your old friend Tony Phillips from Radio 4 4.

Yes, we are there.

Is that connection there is that connection yeah, so you might be working for them soon.

I'm very happy where I am to change ok? What's your second could not be more different.

So this is staying at home with the williams' which is Robbie Williams doing a podcast with his wife ayda.

Field Williams in lockdown, and it's just a lariat and I came across it by accident and I was quite surprised that it's just delightful mean everybody loves Robbie there's something wrong with you.

If you don't love Robby because he's so it's self-effacing isn't he now he's an inside-out person so of course they're podcast is just is just wonderfully indiscreet.

The latest one which is about Robbie trying to make an omelette and that really is about as far as It Gets in a rubbish trying to make an omelette.

It's just funny.

You know they're just amazing about their ridiculous la lifestyle.

She strikes me as being the kind of girl you would really want to have as your best friend.

It's just play bonkers and and again takes a head to a completely different place which all of the best podcasts do today's episode is about food.

Hey ayda.

Field Williams yeah, but my name is calling you.

I feel that I don't know who is this patch.

It's like I'm 100-percent that page today the podcast about food and I'm really interesting about it.

Yeah.

I think we could do an actual podcast.

We could probably do like like a trilogy or even like a Game of Thrones 8 seasons on food like the Hobbit what I look like.

I like the camera adds 10 pounds on my mind at £10 on top of the 15th my mind just reverting back to an old filter before I had kids when I was really young and I remember you remember her by my filter automatically just Compares me to that and then feels under there is a Robbie Williams and that was chosen by fig lover.

Thank you so much to everybody has been on the panel.

Will do a final go round to see if there's any other business that like to bring to your attention anything else you want to say no messages to people you know shoutouts.

Always wanted to be a DJ but we're having the time of our lives at the moment and and also we got an email address it took us 2/2 years can email address Trevor and the emails that come in from our listeners, so beautiful and wonderful they turned into basically the entire content of the podcast that is my fortunately podcast bbc.co.uk therein lies the difference between us somehow it works for others and the oleaginous apparently means exaggerated the indus fully complementary but pleasurable experience.

I just want to say something genuinely complementary.

Chat with you and various activities and find a word from Mike anything from you.

Just listen to join the British podcast awards on Saturday great bunch of people organising it and fantastic podcast or nominated.

It's going to be a blast I'm sure it well.

Thank you very much indeed panel.

Thank you for listening if you have been and will go and join David Lloyd I would guess and they won't be around table next month because it's August and we don't do it then we'll be back in September thanks for listening.

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