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It's round table week with our July 2019 edition hosted by Trevor Daniel music.

Thank you still we're pleased to be back and there's no one else here.

I mean there are people around the table will meet them in a minute, but we're in what used to be Jazz FM and also used to be muddy knees media and they've all gone so I don't know what the weather.

I'm in frankly I don't normally do real estate, but you know if you're looking for a studio and office space.

Swan orange somewhere to live frankly this would be ideal but it's the home of the July radiotoday roundtable.

Let's see you joined us that might Newman head of UK content partnerships at audioboom audioboom being a podcast platform we host distributes and monetize podcast including the swans include in there, so it better be good managing director of something else and you are a multi platform independent production company so is there any new don't make a list of things we going mate for the things we do make her really audio TV and social media and I'm Graham Mark on the program director of fix radio the new home of the ugly Phil Breakfast Show and we also have Russ and Jono at lunchtime last time you came on this you have to pick something for us to listen to that's right and you chose an example of fix radio a company whose already engaged you to be then he programmed controller but you didn't tell us now because I didn't.

Nearest up me saying but you can't have that has been listening to you.

I wanted to get in and I was coming everybody will listen to everybody's recommendations in a while.

I just thought I might do one thing we often talk about devices and platforms that people listen on and I wondered if you could just tell me what devices you use in a typical day to consume your radio and audio, so you'll live broadcasting all your podcasting so I'll just do mind to give you the idea so I start with BBC sounds on an iPad then I go in the bathroom which has an old FM radio, then I go downstairs, where Alexa will help me get whatever I want then I get the car ordinary DAB radio if I'm in the office during the day.

I'm weaning myself off the old FM and into the world of just listening off the laptop and then in the evening I might have.

Another bit of Alexa I don't do much listening in the evening, but that's a lot of devices really isn't it? And I don't think is untypical so my give me your device should the heater in the morning.

It will be Google home.

I do for radio and then in the car.

It will be an FM radio because I'm also the second class citizen in the house, so I get the runaround Bangor and on the train.

It's Apple iPhone through either apple podcasts or Spotify and I am one of the only people that I know that uses Google Play music as well if I want to listen to music and yeah, they're all my device ok, so I'm DAB in the morning for the Today programme no car for me so it's because it's training training 2.

Works and then it's onto the mobile Pocket Casts is my eyes my app that I use for for podcasts and it spits podcast listening and and I found my commute as really change the past two years.

I used to read the newspaper religiously and that's completely stopped now and now it's just listening there and back so close smartphone all day smartphone while smart Smartphone on the commutes.

Yeah, the office is more about the office radio and that's the yeah.

There's are the people in the office.

You've got better music taste in men who deciding what we listen to and then the evening at I do do a bit of listening even when I'm cooking really and that through through the Sonos in the in the kitchen and that would but that would tend to be using either back on musical.ly of the podcast platforms.

Do you do that thing which I have to do a sling on your case Google or Alexa play something something something on Sonos yeah, just typing and it will give me chill playlist tour.

That's all the things she said fastener which we have everything only I start on the phone listening to fix radiator to the app and then wants to know that Phil and everybody have got everything going out straight onto a few podcast as I walk to railway station or do that to Apple podcasts through the phone then I'll go back to fill on the train apart from the tunnels and then when I get into work.

I listen to the PC through a speaker on the PC at work.

I don't actually listen to radio.

It's all online listening no no no DAB or FM in is in the house now.

There's Alexa in the house which on the weekends are listen to I want to listen to a football match or something.

I'll do that through through Alexa yeah.

Look I found that very interesting and stew if you didn't just cut it out and it will start the show here BBC well.

It's having a week because it's the week of the annual.

Thought but it's also the week and Wimbledon and we've just had Glastonbury and the women's world cup and I thought it was about time.

We just considered the BBC witches have a turbulent time of late.

How's it doing if you had to re tits health mic on a can of 1 to 10? How healthy is the BBC now? We are talking on a radio podcast ok? Yeah, I was on the BBC looking at but I think with what is doing particularly from the industry's.

I'm in now in in the podcast space.

What is doing with BBC sounds? I think his foot for the industry as a whole is in pretty rude health because I like the fact that they are slapping the the word podcast on the side of buses on billboards and it's on after Strictly on at the end of the women's World Cup match of the day and as always talking about podcast whether that means that BBC sounds itself is in rude health.

I don't know you know I don't know why because I

But I don't think I'm going to listen to that on BBC sounds.

I think I'll find that on Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcast for what they're doing outwardly and push things forward.

I would give him in 8 Out of 10 in time is not bad.

Just just to stick with sounds for a second.

It's another brand, isn't it? Yeah, I briefly saw Glastonbury and had a brand account you know and I was counting when I'm on BBC One and BBC Glastonbury I'm being told about BBC sounds.

I'm being told about BBC Radio 1 and being told about BBC online doesn't deserve a lot of Brands out there.

There is using I think so it can be very confusing and I consume a lot of the Glastonbury coverage over the weekend which I thought was amazing and actually this year.

I think was the first time that I really really appreciated how much depth it has on the iPlayer and so you know you can pick your set on there and to see whether you want to see which I thought was.

Credible but you don't know then know why I need something in BBC sounds as well the BBC sounds thing just confuse me a little bit as to why that needs to be there when we've got the iPlayer radio and iplaytv Steve I think my radio perspective.

I think the item the BBC's actually in pretty good shape when you look over the past year.

You look how many a new shows and big shows they had to be reinvented with new hosts new new new line-ups.

I think the chick you when you look a lot 5 live as done in the podcast by something that's really impressed if they seem to really have got to grips with it in the sense of understanding what podcasting is about in the sorts of audiences to try and reach agree that BBC sounds still has some way to go but I think the BBC knowledge that as well.

You know James Burnell talks about it being and B2 and being being early days.

I think if I was thinking from a suite of audio radio prospects of a may be going back to the point you guys we're just chatting about around branding what one thing I feel the BBC hasn't got quite right as its branding in the podcast face because

You go on the podcast charts and you see Radio 4 World Service 5 Live BBC sounds all of different brands, you just think we'll come on to most punters.

It's just the BBC actually and at the time and I do understand it look for someone like father like they're really hoping they can drive you back to the station to listen in some other way, but I'm not convinced.

That's necessarily help podcasting works and that's even how the world of branding works these days.

There are no branding experts say but I would I would say come over to the radio on audio perspective.

I think I actually the past year I can have done pretty well.

Yeah, I'd given us off and eight made in eight and a half.

I think they're doing ok.

I think they just love the just always there and we take them for granted now that they're always there in there going to be there.

I've never been to have the last time.

I went on to BBC sounds was the last time I came on this program and we were talking about this.

I checked it out and I haven't been on it since it's not something that engages me if I want to listen to something live from the BBC are usually go through TuneIn or something like that.

Just to just to hear it so yeah.

How do you think they're just they're all that the nothing to not doing anything spectacular, but I don't even doing that much wrong with the name is an interesting example of how the BBC operates and I played a small role in The negotiation that got Glastonbury over to the BBC and I can remember Mark Thompson news then controller of BBC2 saying I don't think anyone be very interested in how popular music festival but eventually he was prevailed upon and in those days the great argument was hi.

This is something that the BBC could do on radio and television and digital as we called it in those days.

They have not played those cards strongly now to the extent that there was an organiser of another British Music Festival or indeed any other event I'd be thinking why is the BBC spending this colossal amount of money on this one event and also should they be spending so much money promoting or

Is essentially a commercial Enterprise why is it then that Glastonbury is the one I will they decided that it was iconic somebody wrote a paper.

I won't tell you who sang Glastonbury could become as emblematic of the BBC bringing the nation together as Wimbledon but I think he music Sunrise by that I think that's how I got it anyway.

I think your music sounds that's that's right though.

I think I think Glastonbury does does have that stated mean? I don't know whether it did that boys like the guaranteed promo TV coverage us.

Not just that it is the fact that mean we were chatting just before we came on here about Glastonbury and and this and the sheer scale of it done is no doubt about it.

It is the grand Daddy of festivals and we have now reached the time with festival culture and live music is a core bit of the of the British cultural experience for all age groups and Glastonbury is the predominant things out there's definitely argument about.

It is a private enterprise and should the BBC be supporting that but again you cannot reply back to sports events as well, so so I have to I think it's just fine.

I do think I didn't it does it really really well one great thing as it the BBC has done is the women's world coming back women's football at all.

I don't think there was any coverage women's football at all until the BBC said we're going to do some of that and now here.

They are not just with a big TV figures, but it's all over Radio 5 live as well and all better for it.

It is and I already start this morning that the the Norway game the quarter-final 7.6 million people watch that and that's fine.

I think even just four years ago that figure would have been astounding to think that that that many people would watch it and I do think that to tasties point on Glastonbury the BBC have helped push that forward and who else is going to do that you know talkSPORT on going to do that and that's not to to to put talkSPORT that but you know it's not commercially viable.

Table for them to throw their lot in and have a go because I don't think the BBC could have imagined or envisaged it being so big and I think a lot of that goes down to the fact that they've been brilliant.

You know she's been great to watch and it is coincide with so many other things that are happening in the world that pushing women's football forward but without the BBC there would would it have reached such a wide audience and maybe talkSPORT would nothing I think they would I think they're I think the the the England women's team under a lot of the girls that team going to go on to be superstars now and I am the league is going to be a lot a lot even more prominent than it already is so wasn't one of the places gonna million-pound deal with Adidas talkSPORT my need a few more women presenters.

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We've got Graham Mack we've got Mike Newman and we've got Steve Ackerman I'm Trevor down and we're going to go and just talk about podcasting obviously because you're from audioboom, but I just wanted to start Stevie were talking about wondering that's which platform as as a production company at what's happened with them.

So white wonder is one of the big podcast election companies based out of La if you listen to podcast you might not infer shows like dirty John or Dr Death of being big big hits and able to transfer to TV but 18 months ago the road rat $5000000 and and you know what she look.

Frantic world audio production company raising 5 million well that sounds quite impressive as she just raised 10 million so another 10 million and I think what's really interesting in what they've announced is a global aspirations.

I want to take the podcast that they have and now turned US into other languages and starts who creates real global titles around them and I suppose that's I think I said thing because it's quite emblematic of everything is going on in podcasting which is that there was a global marketplace and for the first time audio has an IP value in the same way that TV always has had and I think the wonder ideal sunbed up with him in they've been value that now that 10 million values than 100 million years company something else you make a lot of podcast now and I'm wondering whether the job of getting sponsorship has got easier because people now know what they are in the cells are the brands coming to you and say setting.

Never podcast well brands are coming wanting wanting podcast.

I think often their expectations are not quite right in terms of how much it costs or how you actually get penetration and and people listening um but obviously brands and and this is maybe one that knows more about the me, but but brands are definitely wanting to advertise on podcasts and as you can see that and and certainly what you know we know if you have a hit podcast new doing decent numbers you can earn very good money out of that and so for us from a business perspective the sort of case has been proven that you wouldn't launcher podcast if you didn't have a sponsored.

Would you pay for it in the first word meaning bring the audience and then and then the advertising sponsorship money will come and that's that's work for all about podcast all of which are profitable so when you say that are you including a podcast that don't have any spot as we didn't them or pre roll up what you got two different types Edexcel

Podcast we making for clients so we make things like like the penguin podcast which is a sort of Desert Island Discs for Thursday's paid for by penguin.

There's no advertising that penguin pay for it and we produce it every other week and it's been going on for years and years and years then you've got of our own self release title say things like the David Tennant podcast of the brights and those are released without necessarily having advertisers or sponsors in the bag when they start releasing but as you build up the audience you bring the sponsors advertisers in and obviously that's partly what companies that audioboom or a cast.

Do they they find those both sponsors and advertisers and are you know to sing now in your from your perspective Mike Moore Industries more people who want the market things I thinking kerching that'll have a podcast they are but I think that there's still more Headroom their does a heck of a lot more Headroom and I actually think there is a job that the industry has to do as a podcast industry has to do to talk to the media agencies in the buying agencies and 2.

To persuade them on the power of the podcast III did APC podcast days Europe a couple of weeks ago and I talked about the fact that a huge amount of the revenue that is generated at the moment in podcasts is through direct Response so we'll know it in a forward slash Harry's or forward slash squarespace squarespace.

Hello fresh whatever and which is great and I think that there is a sense that there is a can of all.

That's the junior market you know that those smaller startups that that's what who use podcast other side.

We don't need to be in there says BMW or Mercedes or whatever they think the the evidence that we see and the success of those Direct responses or absolute Concrete evidence of the success of advertising a podcast because their startups and those those companies who are using it.

They will have smaller budgets than those huge big corporate Monsters so they're going to be much more God Is On how they spend that money so if they spend.

20 million lbs the budget might only be £1000000 you know they're going to put all of their bridge into Pakistani gonna be very very cautious and precious about how they spend it and what they get back from it and so the dart response really works so very paranoid put down in exactly how much I'm getting back and what we seen is the revenues of increased year-on-year exponentially increasing so that has to be working because you can't be a direct Response Advertiser and then come back and spend double the amount this year.

If last year's money didn't didn't work and it's not it's not working because they are direct Response that's just a by-product of them advertising is working because the podcast audience is incredibly engaged so I think it that that's one thing that I think is an industry without need to do more work on is to talk to agencies from that perspective of this is just a very very engaged audience and you don't necessarily need a direct Response message.

Is there anybody talking to?

Agencies on behalf of the podcast business or are you audioboom and a cast and all the others going in separately in doing your own individual Dale separately? Yeah, I don't think there's anybody doing as a collective Rovers in the UK is only a small number Media agencies.

You got to go and speak to the direct responses is definitely out of the States so we don't eat your monetizing the States and and we've been looking after do that most of the brands.

You see a direct Response ice in the UK with seem quite quite a lot of blue chip brands, coming to the table and it and it seems to be increasing quite rapidly now.

They are there in our Formula 1 podcast that would have been sponsored by Bose and that's not a direct Response but I think there is a whole market there than that there is a lot of people say they're not yet tapping into as a radio station a broken controller then Graham with with a brand like fix.

How important is the online space at all, do you know?

Do you want to have podcast you now have podcastle work is really live radio what you're on about currently.

We don't have any podcasts but we're talking at the moment because we've got content is only going on there once like ugly Phil and Russ and Jono that we got the potential to do it the worry at the moment is particularly with Russ and Jono we're getting a spiky no streaming figures everyday when there are between 12 and 1 and we run the best of on a Saturday morning, what would happen if Russ and Jono fans from around the country who were coming towards just for that could get the mana podcast whenever they want it something we're going to have to experiment with at the moment.

We're not we're not doing it, but I guess what I'm trying to get a sense of his advertises saying to you.

Yes, I don't mind just another but can have a bit of podcast and have you got any of those we having advertisers say that but we have had people who are not Advertiser

Ask the question because we're we targeted that a specialist audience of of tradespeople.

You know they want to get to that audience to sell tools and various other things they have asked if that is available and we said yet if you can tell us exactly what it is.

You want will make it for you.

We haven't done it yet.

Won't 2 years in 22 years old and was it you Steve you said that sometimes clients.

I miss understand.

How much it cost is there a sense but like there is with photography well with you.

Don't need a photographer.

We've all got a camera.

Is there a sense that podcasting is by nature a cheap thing.

I think there is to some degree still I think when you listen to lots of the podcast that became hits a few years back because we not a lot of them were three people around the kitchen table having a chat and podcasting revolving very fast now and and production standards a very high doses some really fantastic Productions coming out, but I still think of is a central client, so I won't be in just put your mic to my board and can't you?

Why am I chief exec of host it and I know all that sort of thing and look I think there is a space for that and it's actually really thriving freelance audio professional market.

I think probably the way there wasn't many years ago.

She wasn't really really the works of his lots of individual freelancers who were doing those sorts of podcasting and helping clients facilitate that sort of thing but I think for the more blue chip clients there quickly realising that you know if you want something decent you've got to pay for her.

It's going to Southwell audio perspective but also obviously for any podcast got to think about the marketing.

That's going to sit around that because as we know there are thousands of podcasts out there discoverability still really an issue with the it's not really great into the whatever podcast platform you use and therefore you got a build some sense of marketing or social media activity around that podcast to ensure the audience are going to find it in some way we must get onto your recommendations, but just one of the thing that the whole business of finding stuff like you just said.

I find when you guys give me your clips.

I just Google them and there they are and I don't bother if I don't even know what platform is it's a bit like using Alexa to get in a piece of music or something does that bother you might does audioboom of brand that you want to have on everybody's lips not at all.

No quite quite the opposite.

So have you is that if you are sitting on a platform as a podcaster weed weed very very much rather.

You didn't talk about us talk about Apple podcasts talk about Spotify talk about castbox podcast because that's why your listeners again.

We're not at we're not a listening destination so I think in a wee-wee house and you can listen to podcasts on our website because I think it'll be slightly odd to be a podcast complaint not a website where you can hear podcast but no that is not where we want to drive people than in fact.

We we switched off our app.

We did have an app till about 612 months ago the Tech guy said this.

Sunset at it, so I can see it off because you're not you're it's it's like starting a social media channel and go come to us download Facebook you know you've got to go where like BBC sounds for instance one of the Big Audio moments has completely gone under the radar because I was about a month ago that Google first launched is so as you said you're typing a podcast title on your if it searches eyeing up anywhere on your front page will come up the podcast and you can click straight through to hear it.

Can't you and I think that I think that's what you're saying that didn't exist before and Google that's because Google has said they want to put audio best-in-class in terms of searching what that means is in exactly the same way as when you type in for a you know you might have something else in a video clip comes up in you can click straight through this is now the first time you can do this with all that you couldn't do this many months ago and that's a real Revolution and the and the reason Google doing that is because

Is there quite rightly identified that the majority of podcast listening still happens through apple devices, but obviously the majority of handset ownership is Android devices and so they they absolutely want to encourage audio usage amongst Android owners and so for anyone who creates podcast all radio shows this is a really fantastic moment because suddenly audios about to become a lot more discoverable in a way that it's never anything before from something else.

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I've been listening to a reasonably new podcast anything about six or seven episodes of Andrew Denton and the podcast is called interview Andrew Denton is an Australian TV personality when I lived in Australia I saw him and he's a good interview and he's just on a nice one with Michael Caine is just the one with share that about halfway through and a great one with Steve Martin and Martin Short as sometimes.

They have an audience sometimes they just in a hotel room, but that is great interviews music clip my mother used to put olive oil in ears to get earwax out and if people put it on food after one of them that I can't eat that stuff.

Can I get to the Galaxy Note for a second? I just like you to talk about that Patrol you went on in no man's land was very important when you're young.

I was 19.

We have national service in England and I will send it courier and obviously you're terrified.

You gonna get killed and also you got a few people so it's very very difficult the first thing you think about when you when you're going into that situation.

Am I a coward you know you don't know you're a coward you never been in a situation where cowardice would come about and it was a wonderful thing for me because I what happened when we met the patrolled the Chinese Patrol is we went the other way back towards a line and right round them, but while we were doing that we were all prepared to die, but we were going to make it very very expensive as expensive as possible and

So that was a great lesson for me is that I wasn't here.

No I didn't win the Victoria Cross early, but at least I know I wasn't a coward when I came home.

You know yeah, and as you know nobody knows until they reach their own you got you got to reset situation.

I want to go back on the reason I mention the smell of sardines to do with when you were evacuated as a child the first family you were billeted ways.

They would lock you and the boys and they do when a way for the weekends a lot somewhere we didn't know but they would like the two of us have in the cupboard under the stairs with bottles of water and sardines and and bread that used to let us at Monday morning now put it in there Friday night.

Let us up Monday morning and I spend terrifying for a young boy.

Oh, yeah.

Oh yeah.

Oh yeah it means that I had.

Environment variable claustrophobia and it also means that the patrons of the lesson Society prevention of cruelty to children, what's good about him.

I think like all great interview is the shows about the guest and like all great interview.

Is there a little bit shy and Nerdy you know if you think of like Marc Maron and maybe even Michael Parkinson then not stars they're not loud brash stars and he's just like a quiet guy who asks interesting questions of the guest Steve your first.

My first one is putting up a very old title or relatively old title, but I think something really injured in which is the daily from the New York Times and about 3 or 4 weeks ago.

They actually gave over the show for an entire week to look at your hands and to ask the question is which feels like a big question is liberal democracy dead and I thought what what was interesting is you're taking a really hefty question and yet turning that really popular at the managing to take an approach that of a populist easily accessible approach.

Answer each day the programme was looking at a different country around Europe and they really were building into this issue, and so each episode was really related to the others they kept referring back and it was done in an absolutely brilliant way.

That's really really listenable in in what is a really sort of hefty issue, but that but it's been done in a Reed accessible manner here's a clip where the European correspondent is talking about brexit the story starts when I start to doubt you're up and they would to Mum and spectrally crystallized this for me the total number of votes cast in favour of Lee Brussels brexit was 17 million 410700 42 this means that the UK has voted to leave the European Union the British people had spoken the answer is I was living in London at the time with my family as the corresponding there and you know the European Union has always been a certainty in my life is through this thing that has always been there and I thought would always be there.

You know I'm German

We have been as Welsh we met at university in London and it's kind of Incredible but our grandfather's fart and two different sides of World War II and now we have three children and their little European so basically speak both languages.

Don't feel at home in both of our country.

So when I woke up to the news on that morning in June 2016 the Briton was leaving the European Union was the first time that you're a felt fragile.

It was kind of this moment that put a doubt in my mind about the European Union and that felt very new and then in 2018.

I actually move back to my own country to Germany for the first time in over 20 years in Germany at the time felt very different from the UK if it's kind of considered to be this Bachchan of Liberal democracy, but there was a backlash building here to any one of the first things SRA reporting.

When I get back, what's the price of a far I'll go.

He also hinted brexitcast about that.

There's the correspondent telling you are a personal story and it's something that the New York daily is very good at and they for each episode of their meeting real people on the ground and I thought I see what they're doing is what five live quite likes to try and do but I thought they were without being too rude to further thought they were doing a better.

Can I give a shoutout Emma Barnett though who is on fire? Yeah? Yeah, she's just let you know possibly a step beyond James O'Brien but she is just the most unmissable interviewer on you know about politics on the radio will happy now.

I think Emma from from from a soon as she was on the radio and before obviously she's a journalist the train jealous and he's always had a really fantastic source of a sense of what people are talking about an hour and how to get someone how to get to the heart the story quickly I think she's a phenomenal broadcast.

Might need with your first revisionist history or his books as I and you haven't yet heard this but I can't imagine there's anybody listen to the show that doesn't know the podcast off in a bit bad bring it in but it's it's just come on Season 4 and I mean it he's just he's so compelling to the opposite of grains point on Andrew Denton who is this going to not about him? It's kind of all about Malcolm Gladwell incredible and he can make the most compelling subject.

He breaks them down and makes you understand.

I'm in a different way, so there was a can a miniseries in season 2 about the Civil Rights Movement which was so engaging and then he can take the most mundane and seemingly boring subjects like golf and he did 40 minutes on it.

That was hooked on about where golf is is the worst sport in the world and it ends up that right.

Roses are red violets.

Just so compelling reading light clip where he and his assistant trying to pass the law exam in New York I got the idea of taking the LSAT from a man named William Henderson out of paper that he wrote it was on my favourite website ssrn which is where academics from around the world poster papers and they get raped if you're a regular listening to this podcast you'll know have genius.

I think ssrn is anyway this paper was called the LSAT law school exams and meritocracy the surprising and under theorise role of test taking speed anything with the word surprising and under theorised in the title of course is going to be catnip for me so I read it then I read it again and then I had to meet up so just a little bit of back.

I'm here.

I think it'll ask littlest 35ci hold career before then.

Why do you do before you became a lot of firefighter paramedic was the union rep for a suburban Cleveland fire at the purpose of the Dead for 9 years and is a kid people and remember Kitty as I went to law school because of this bastard management is Harrison goes to Loscoe happy that he gets a clerkship with a judge and one day.

He's in the shower and I thought occurs to me.

What was the Ocado share the other species are how was work.

What is my god the two months time purchase things I've ever done in my life is taking the lcat and needs to pass school exams ticket been a firefighter paramedic.

He had raised to the streets of Cleveland to save people on the brink of death and the most time pressure.

He'd ever felt was taking the LSAT again delasco and then taking.

Sounds one cigar terrace at time and everybody drops are pencils in in there is a huge hug.

Not everybody was like drowning that they didn't get more time to take keep at work and kissing scenes Alexander people who are dropped her pencil her all those claiming the desire for more time that it was a memorable experience now.

I'm sure this is obvious to you particularly if you're an American you've been tested 1000 times in your life satac TG re on and on and every one of those standardized tests doesn't just test whether you can answer the question correctly they test how quickly you can answer the question correctly, but I'm a Canadian I've never taken a standardized testing my life and as an outsider.

I have to say the whole system seems really weird.

Why is quicker better is Malcolm Gladwell and revisionist history will go straight onto your second choice my second time trying to mould radio.

Podcast together is so it's a podcast that sitting on the audioboom network and it's cold.

I secretly recorded my boyfriend.

It's from do I need to put in a luau you're ok? You're ok.

You're what they didn't yes, if you do Ghana stew it says ferry potty mouth, but there is a warning at the thought of it.

So the podcast is actually created by a radio team.

So they are the current Breakfast Show with jam in the East Midlands to Russell formerly of Jo and Twiggy at Trent and I think they take their skill as broadcasters and bring it into the podcast space, but do it and make it feel like a podcast.

They are not just doing a reversion radio show it's a very different sure it's very funny very engaging and so there's three of them is Joe and Sparky and the newsreader Katie and Jo has secretly recorded her boyfriend.

Who is a a Brummie mechanic and he's just hilarious.

I would like an it to it.

I think it's like a working-class version of Dad wrote a porno.

He's not the brightest button in the box.

Is it as we will hear what do you think about the degree is Theresa May going on Friday 5th June Matt what that's what it will be just go the end of my really worth doing one more week.

How do you stop autistic when's my dinner is Georgia the end of my

Racing headlines to that effect, so it is on a par with them even power with a daily Star moved of course he had an opinion on who should be the next prime minister modi does ITV pneumonia reparatie literally straight to the point no bullshit bank that I secretly recorded my boyfriend who makes that so that they do it themselves as the under the banner of secret recordings.

So they have they set themselves out as it as a whole company so they've got a few were the podcast under their banner as well.

The secret world of slimming clubs is very good as well well with.

More power to them.

They're doing a great job back to Steve someone might seem like it's a shame as plug but it's not because I think it's quite interesting our newest podcast release is called Frank Turners tales from no man's land and Frank Turner for those who don't know is there a successful for the punk folk rock star rating in the States as well as here.

He has a new album coming out in August and so This podcast is a co-production with polydor and I should say that each song on the album is about a woman in history tells the story wooden history so the podcast each episode.

He looks at that women in history of those who meets experts who can tell you a little bit more about that person and you can dig into the story so for instance the first episode of about a lady called sister Rosetta and she was the African American woman who actually started rock and roll, but wasn't given the credit for it because you were the black woman's actually might look at me like now because he had no one's at no one's literally heard of her, but there's there's an air museum in Memphis dedicated to a noun people starting to realise what what her role was so the first episode looks at her.

Sorry, I'm what's in Tooting about the podcast in the weights being marketed.

Is that as each episode drops the song the relevant song from the album will be released right through for 67 weeks until the albums released in August is Frank Turner hi there Frank Turner here 3 things to know about me.

I'm a songwriter for massive history nerd and yes, I'm a man that last part is relevant because I've written a new album all about women called nomansland 12 songs about real historical women and one song about my mum their story is a fascinating moving funny and most importantly were sharing and celebrating so I've decided to make a podcast called tails from nomansland to help us get to know these people a little bit better not be an episode 3 song with guest musicians historians, and if she says yes my mum you can subscribe wherever you get your podcast the first episode will be out in July so tune in and be sure to stay tuned for details of my new album by the way if you've got that YouTube just

A little search for sister Rosetta Granada Television made a film about the blues stars of the age and about 1967 and they film it at a railway station in Manchester and she's on it and she is just blistering she's out Chuck Berry chuck Berry's now literally woodmac to grab now this Graham feels like a pretty typical choice, but why have you chosen it Wallis test match special have chosen because I've only just discovered cricket on the radio? I never used to what I'm not even a big cricket fan.

You know it's just that I have three passports am a citizen of three counties in other countries is New Zealand and because out of my passport to British seen from some audiobook about

Alien passport and a New Zealand passport on of those three New Zealand would be the underdog of the three in the world in the cricket world cup to unlike rooting for New Zealand and I don't have Sky but I've got the NOW TV which was have to pay money if I want to watch it, but I'm not that big of fans another wanna put it on the radio on a put on test match special.

It's wonderful to listen to New Zealand getting beaten by Pakistan just a grave just a really really good listen and I'm looking forward to tomorrow to listen to do England New Zealand tardebigge.

Yes, so there's a clip of to mess.

Maybe that peterson's drink something to his bad.

He goes back to us and will something to happen to that he's doing Geoffrey on his please take a one-off first.

I was putting a new one on but she's doing it quite professionally, don't think it's never too busy doing that.

You'll make sure I got no fluffy stuff on the end gonna get it get it all on roulette down that big stick that's what's going on.

I think because I wanted to be on power a problem here.

I need a new battery is put it on himself.

Bluestone actually young the actor who brought it out of other give it to just finish it off and cold drinks Michael bourne's beside me.

I was never good at that 21042 in chemist Fernando bowls and turned away so backward square leg, and it will come back to you know what I meant to remove you know what time and donaghenry one of the great things about TMS is something that the podcast world has subsequently discovered which is just shootin' the Breeze Elizabeth very attractive thing if you're at that you think for those of us who worked in radio over the years a number of times.

We've been told or we've told other people just shut the fuck off.

Was interested in you keep banging out the tunes whatever is TMS don't care.

Go away who's invited her around to the barbecue tonight.

Yeah.

Just fit wonderfully charming.

I didn't wake white British yeah.

They don't even care if it's this show has made I don't think it has any way any other business that all Graham no only that you can make implant at fix radio you can listen to ASDA online on the app or on DAB in London and Manchester ugly fill in the morning brand new shower 4 weeks old Russ and Jono at lunchtime.

Have you tried doing it doing it now.

I'm not actually know it's so it's been good.

I mean we are a station for tradesmen, but I think lots of people will like it because it is just working class humour throughout all trades running away.

Steve am I allowed to play.

Something is this is this is this is Peppa Pig ok.

Ok so another new release coming in a couple of weeks time is with the comedy actress Katie Brand and Katherine Parkinson he may know from the i t crowd and make it together and it's podcast called women like us where there are two journalists to wear in between column column journalist looking up women's it women's issues.

They think they created the first women-only podcast so there will be an audio boom original podcast called covert back for season 2 today first episode dropped at looking at all go that you might remember from the Ben Affleck movie and it looks it different can a CIA missions and Black Ops III on right all gone wrong.

It is it's brilliant fascinating stuff.

Thank you.

My new Man From audioboom and Steve Ackerman from something else and Graham back and fix radio.

I've been Trevor down to this has been the July Round Table which has been produced and research by a Williams well done and next month we won't.

Here and in September we probably won't be here but will be here but who knows where he will be back to you soon fascinating as always thank you Trevor and David Lloyds still to come on This podcast that's after we take you to the other side of the world in Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia I'm James Corden the radio futurologist tomorrow my Malaysia well.

I'm planning for radiodays Asia and you radio conference for Asia to be held here at the end of August radiodays.

Asia might sound familiar if you feed a radio data Europe as well.

It might put Radio across Asia has lots of different challenges and opportunities and has hitherto been served by formal conferences as part of a bigger event radiodays Asia there is a place where radio can stand on its own two feet and shine and I'm certainly looking forward to it was interesting to visit BFM which is the business radio station hear the last time I visited it was a busy place that I was interviewed in a typical radio studio about the future of Radio

This time though I discovered it and moved now and a gleaming new office block the new digs retain the vibrancy and atmosphere of the old Studios for much time have been spent making the station to modern bright airy with many more Studios natural wood and lighting is all around and the station armed with activity as producers and present as worked on the output of your meeting about radiators Asia I was interviewed along with radiators ages Rosie Smith for radio show on the station, but this time I wasn't in one of their beautiful new Studios overlooking the city Rosie and I will perched on stools in front of a green screen no microphones with decent quality rode lapel mics will being filmed with 2 cameras in 4K station has very much grass the opportunities that multi-platform radio has to offer it is deserved leader in the world of podcasting and KL but also produces much video content can understand that the best way to reach audience.

Is it to go to them wherever they are rather than to attempt to control whether content is very much looking forward to Malaysia is a land of smiles and Happiness there's also quite wonderfully cheap does lots to learn from speakers from North America and Europe sure but also many speakers from across Asia and that's a fair amount of podcast activity to Wi-Fi more information at www.radiojavan.com and most importantly I found an excellent Craft Beer place.

Just 2 minutes walk from the hotel or more.

Could you want you get my weekly newsletter James took little ant and Daily Podcast news at pod news.net and until next time keep listening and now on the radio Today programme is David Lloyd Radio 1.

Sonya for over twenty years before the rollout of its FM transmitters was complete and then he was a case of closing down the Old am frequencies ready to hand them over of the commercial sector.

I just got it right now.

That's already One programmes on am 1053 and 1089 will now permanently 2fm between 97 and 99 please.

I just said to hear Radio 1 Radio 1 only on FM 97 29910 53 and 1089 closing down in 5 minutes to reach United go on medium wave and you'll hear Stephen Tintin Duffy you'll hear this is 1053 and 1089 medium wave the frequencies formerly occupied by BBC Radio 1 Radio 1 is now an FM only station, please re tune your radio to FM it may also be marked VHF or you where you'll find us between 97.

M99 maybe there will close down fm2 one day maybe not with that Stephen Tintin Duffy Pokémon go to use plaintive cry and before that Steve Wright this week in 1994.

It was 20 years ago this week that Steve began afternoons on Radio 2 as the Big Show return to the BBC replacing dead steward Steve Wright in the afternoon.

Hello.

This is stevia on radio 2 now so nice to be back with you until 15 Monday 5th of July 1999.

20 years of Steve Wright in the afternoon on Radio 2 his really A1 spell by the way was only 12 years.

In the early 60s is the UK wondered whether it would ever get anything other than the BBC and you licence broadcaster was spring up elsewhere in the British Isles 55 years ago this week, but is manx Radio broadcasting on one of them days.

I'm eating my battery launched in stereo on VHF later getting his am John Grierson was the first general manager Presley just talking about the other doing some very very very local authority unused and playing music which airport is very difficult to come by because in those days you had the almighty power of the musicians Union the BBC ranged against us next radio is the Isle of Man national commercial radio station broadcasting from Douglas head in the beautiful, Isle of Man to those of you who garden.

Does during the night do the police and Fireman to those in the Lighthouse service and coastguards to doctors and nurses attending the sick indeed to all who have to work while others sleep we wish you a quiet and peaceful night beautiful manx Radio which launched this week in 1964 broadcasting originally from the caravan if you're of a certain age Sunday tee times would have meant to getting your plimsoll bag ready for school and hearing this on your mum's radio.

We invite you to sing something simple a selection of songs old and new song by the cliff Adams singers accompanied by Jack emblow.

You'll be listening to sing something simple a collection of favourite songs sung by the Adams singers directed by Cliff Adams and accompanied by Jack and blow, so it's goodbye until bring something simple which began 60 years ago this week then on the BBC light programme Brittany actually on the Friday night's replacing vera Lynn's program actually have he was pretty peeved about that, but he stormed out of the presenters meeting saying I've been replaced by some organ music and Priya memo when translated as always thanking vera for all the good work on Sunday right now 1976 and a quick Radio 1 Farewell

Before we came on the Earth and you'll know that it's the last one and Johnny is going to see his fame and fortune and another life in California actually I have never been to the States funnily enough.

I'm hoping Johnnie Walker's farewell from Radio 1.

He Returned about 10 years later that was 1976 and this time that year we were in the middle of a beautiful heatwave Heathrow had 16 consecutive days over 30 Celsius and the previous summer was pretty hot to a good time to start commercial radio in Nottingham Along Without radiotrade daytime music policies is targeted at quite a wide range of people but in the evenings you have to recognise that most of the people that listen to Radio Trent during the day watching television the only really important group of people listen to the radio in the evenings.

I young people we target program of contemporary.

Music which is heavier rock music which is targeted almost exclusively at students and people who have a serious appreciation of contemporary music rather than background appreciation of Pop which is quite frankly, what what we provide the most people during the day most people who really know what they're doing in the daytime radio would admit that we are background.

We accept that we were we are wallpaper.

I don't see anything wrong in that all people take a lot of care in choosing the wallpaper speaking just before launching the new studio complex as who is Building Nottingham in 1975 radio Trent's first programme controller Bob Schneider with BBC Radio York still hurting 36 years ago.

Wembley Arena radio Lancashire in merging from video Blackburn 38 years ago for BBC Trust rejecting plans to close 6 Music 9 years ago the notion that are the geniuses at the BBC we can talk that kind of solid gold PR plan is so just daydreaming sports 1-4 years ago amazing woman's are moving from Radio 2 2 radio for 46 years ago table this time last year.

He said I've looked at your x-ray and it's horrible I need to put you into an induced coma it so that we can control your breathing in if I don't do that.

You're probably going to die.

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