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Coming up on the radio today podcast this week where in Derby for the BBC local radio wards that gillards + James cridland and what radio can learn from some On Demand television and more classic audio from David Lloyd radio moments archive our usual look through the other big stories of the week hello there Roy it's a pleasure being here.

I was so are we going to hear from some gillards winners with Trevor in a minute that you were there in Derby last week.

I was it he wants to I did on my many travels and he was good.

It was a good celebration of local radio by the BBC of course not everybody got a nomination everybody enters as a rule but term probably only half of 39 stations were represented, but is a good night and well done to the station of the Year as well, which was BBC Radio

Sheffield indeed so maybe maybe we're off to Sheffield because the every year the the winner hosted the event the year after all that I'm told that the maybe change is nexium that might not be happening, but we shall see so it was a good night.

Well done to everybody involved at great and never been to Derby before I can you believe that you're not going to do it again not really no I was looking around for Ram FM but I think it's left arm long time ago wanted David Lloyd hangs out in that part of the world are having a bit of these Awards normally in like November time, but so this was technically the 2018 Awards were there in January 2018 celebrating the best of local radio in the last 1 months as it's nice to have something in January because it's not quite but not this is quite for radio needs but quite for ready with ants.

Did you say again this year and we had to listen to loads and loads of entries for the particular category myself and a few others did and the quality of local radio.

You know people talk about it and slagging off quite a lot, but when you come dancing aland highlighted as a lot of good stuff going on in BBC local radio and things are changing so after the Gillard to have this announcement from a Chris Burns they had a BBC local radio that they're gonna start tell you to younger audiences.

They say it's an exciting time lots of opportunities for BBC local radio as commercial radio becomes increasingly networked local newspapers in decline.

So this is about route in the stations in their local Communities but also targeting younger people BBC weather at the moment.

I have so we're going younger again, but I think the big problem is the matter who they target they're being told who to target from somebody in an office in.

London this is right BBC local radio should be this and every BBC local radio station is going to do this so I think it's about time.

We said ok.

We've got a network of stations, but they're all individually locally operated station, so let's put the people in charge of those station to Radio Manchester only 30 miles away from Radio Lancashire geographically but the output should be so much different because they're serving different Communities yeah absolutely under same goes for yellow Devon versus Bristol or Cambridge vs.

Norfolk so let's hope some of the changes include that they're all going a little bit younger than recruiting loads of fresh new Talent for the evening shows which will then no doubt in time get shows on the rest of the station so the breakfast show the mid morning show the lol have a younger people and new Talent on them within the next 510 years so I think is a long-term plan ok, so turnabout strategy at back to Bower fry usual strategy meeting some more things they told us about.

This week including swapping history on to D1 and moving absolute 90s on 2D to Scala they've told this is going to be on D2 and it's going to be in stereo but regular flavour The ABCs going to the only regular flavour DAB stereo service on D2 he keeping up at the back.

I'm not actually this is that right and then we had to chase I had to chase on my way back from Derby Bower to find out all the facts about this.

Is it gonna be stereo? Is it going to be DAB plus? And they they got the email saying it's going to be normal DAB as I sure cos there's not enough room and then yeah and then once you've done all that work somebody else goes and copy without credit and you but we won't talk about that right Histories exam.

Massive massive audience like 2.2 million or something and that's on D2 so it's got potential to get even bigger being on the one with the better coverage and absolute 90s.

It's under a million so

Probably won't make really notice match on the rage by moving to do so for a change.

We're going to say is making a sensible move here with Kisstory swapping with absolute night.

It's a sensible change the things we don't know about questions linger on the scholar on on di2 with 83% of the UK covered rather than being on D1 wear yet what ninety-five 98% of something so it's they want to go big then perhaps the one would have been a bit of a scallop.

Why do we know when I'll strategies and the other thing I think you pointed out while somebody did on Twitter that if if they making an effort to put the classical music station in stereo.

Why don't people make an effort to put normal station din stereo in a pop albums? They don't make him so we can listening mono but that's the way the industry works, so we can complain can we know you can't complain if you hear something other radio you don't like and somebody did that about George Galloway talk about the screw piles.

Last year and Russia and UK government and the kind of relationship between at to the long ruling from Ofcom this week, which is basically found talk radio in breach, and they're going to consider some sanctions against the station you can be the full full judgement on the Ofcom website as LinkedIn app for radio today.co.uk but seems you can't say whatever you like of the radio Who Knew Too surprised.

I think I thought you could clearly you can't I use nobody listens to me and we must do our kind of get well soon as of the week are Johnnie Walker is having 66 off Radio 2 to have his heart upgrade as nothing to do with the global station and Nicky Campbell missing the shows this week at with kidney stones admitted to Salford hospital, so where get well soon to Nikki and Johnny are both that Radio 1 legends.

Of course.

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So and next we went to Rachel first radio release of 2019 looking at the qualifiers 2018 so it's not really going to tell us anything because it's our other than it's the last set of figures for Chris Evans on Radio 2.

I guess I guess it is yeah, but nothing else nothing else really happened in the last 3 months of the next one will be there an interesting one.

It will start getting interested right with thank you.

I will head into Derby next and we'll talk to you next time.

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It's only January but already we've had the first Radio Awards do of 2019 last week in Derby BBC local radio people gathered for the annual Gillard Awards named after local Radio 4.

Frank Gillard and Trevor Dann was there for Radio today, thank you still coming up and glimpse behind the scenes at what made Radio Sheffield station of the year and Y Toby Foster and the naked podcast as also one individual award, but first this is gillards.

Didn't have quite the impact of the previous event when BBC director-general Tony Hall made his announcement about giving stations back there evening but what was immediately noticeable in the room was the diversity of the Diners these new evening slots have been filled in many cases by young BME Talent helping local radio better reflect its Communities but what is the most telling remote from the stage came from one of the self-confessed white middle class winners a double winner in fact Pete Simpson from BBC Radio Bristol was making was that we celebrate diversity or meant to celebrate diversity in the BBC and especially local radio.

About the Communities that we serve and then Bristol 30% of young people come from black and Asian minority backgrounds yet our Newsroom and radio station is Uno embarrassingly dominated by people like me you were white middle-class.

I'm not saying I don't think I'm any good at what I do, but what I'm saying is that if we continue to ignore that fact when we expect this 30% of the young people Bristol to listen or watch the BBC they won't bother because we don't represent or reflect them in anyway.

So it's all very well during a series a documentary like we did about the St Pauls Carnival but if no one from st.

Paul's works for Radio Bristol in the end is completely futile going to a conference once where a woman from CBC in Toronto said that she changed the sound of that station by taking everybody.

Who works out of the window and saying look out there at the street? Do they look like us yeah and a good answer was well.

No, they don't care of very low diverse community Toronto Bristol's the same one day.

You'll be running this stuff because that's what happens to young people who are Libby like you.

How are you going to church then said what but that's my question at the moment because I'm not in charge of it.

I mean what what I would says that actually you know we've had the you know the new head of radio in England Crispin's Crispin's we've had Helen Thomas come and speak to staff in Bristol that and we ask this question and and they said on it's a problem with recruitment.

We can't recruit because of unions is that in the other but my response to that will be you know creativity is the life blood of our organisation if we can come up with new ways to make local radio relevant.

We can come up with ways to make our Newsroom the smell of.

To me, it seems very simple and I might be naive because I don't employ people and I don't recruit people if you take people yes, they have to have talent they have to want to do what we want to do.

They have to have stories to tell you can't tell me that those people on out there because they are so we employ those people in future think you've talked to yourself into your next job.

Thank you for being so candid really appreciate congratulations.

I do think these things are important.

I genuinely do because I love local radio and I love what we do and I think we need to be able to thrive in the future, but mouth won't play BBC Radio Bristol Pete Simpson Chris Burns has recently taken over as head of English radio and who Pete mention their didn't want to speak to me at the event, but she's promise to come on the radio today podcast in the next few weeks and I'm sure we'll tackle her on that subject madewell the big Gillard winners on the night were Radio Sheffield With Two programme Awards including best presenter.

For the naked podcast duo Jenny eells and Kat Harbourne and best breakfast show for Toby Foster and his team will meet them and later Jon Culshaw who was the presenter of the evening in a bunker editor actually Toby Foster what you said was the greatest fucking editing BBC local radio when I was 33 years old and Katrina was about 1 and she was making the tea and doing something on Spotify weekend and we own you have would you ask how are your new how much as you want and he's gone away.

She left us and 5 years ago to Radio Leeds in absolute perfect example of how BBC local radio can work because she's come back in and I wonder how many best breakfast show.

Was his name's she's the most supportive the most positive any to have ever worked with and professional issues that have had some personal issues that im Katrina's be there all the way and she's having a shining example to the week day of the week.

I've been looking not coming through the BBC in local radio.

Can I get can make people and vans telling be more prouder enough of you yes, and how is it going really be well done Toby by the way for your reward.

Do you think it's always hard to think I would say definitely over the last year 18 months or so we have taken lots of risks and I'm really proud of that.

So we not only been ambitious and creative with some of the things.

We done we tried new things and I think that can be perceived to be something that local radio doesn't do a lot.

I was going to say this to you as a veteran of local radio myself risk-taking hasn't always been the strategy has it it's often being you know do what you told have you noticed that something's changed over the past couple years and I would certainly changed in Sheffield and I think it is changing across the network and that's a really good thing because you know you're not going to change my standing still it's not I can really obvious thing to say for audiences a changing we know that audience habits are changing we just stay the same and play it Safe all the time because we're gonna lose audience so kind of win new audiences and get new Communities involved with local radio which let's face it has been here for 50 years and in some cases hasn't changed an awful lot we're going to have to do new things and raise a few eyebrow.

Can I get people involved with someone vicious things and we've done that in Spades over the last year how important for a radio station like you now is the digital space the podcast in the online on-demand alongside the linear radio that is you say you've been doing half a century and I think if it's a great story at can work on any platform things like social media and working on on-demand content and podcast and things are really important, but at the end of the day the story and the content is what matters and if you get that right.

You can do it on whatever platform and I think it's really important that local radio stations are in the digital space.

You know what radio station in 2019 wouldn't be on social media bonkers because everyone's on social media especially younger people.

Do you get a win in younger audiences of course you've got to be there, but you'd be there with the great stories that you tell when you do them well on everything and May

Sure that if you're doing a big kind of project or you're making a film like common people you're making it really well for digital as well as for the radio.

So it's just it's just an extra way of getting our stories and I'll content out for meeting congratulations station of the year that must make you feel great as always when I became an education of the year because you've got to have a new I am am am so proud of this and really proud of it to the team who worked really hard and have tried new things and been brave enough to go do some Bonkers things over the last year or so, but I would say it's the icing on the cake of what we do everyday what we do every day until the programs that we making the connection we have with the audiences.

It's a really important thing.

Jenny and Castle to see you with your clothes on tell us the story about the naked podcast for Radio Sheffield actually started and said I've been friends for many many years so we met BBC Radio York cracking 2012 and we wanted to basically emulate the kind of chat soon.

Thanks.

We had like are still looking at ways how we could work out body image women just everything about a bottle but we do it naked and I was told I loved it.

Thank you, but I thought so ambitious and I thought it would push me out of my country, so I think it was also so I'm waiting on our own without a vacancy.

The BBC would ever bacchus and it was when we went to our basket wiener bunker at BBC Radio Sheffield and said look are we going to lose our jobs when we publish This podcast as she went I'll check but actually why don't you publish it within the BBC and we said well, it's rude and it's got swearing and we're talking very open and very honestly about our bodies and everything to do with them and she said yes, that's fine and from that series 1 was born and we did 26 episode that we spoke to 23andme zing women each of whom fedora with us in a private space and took very openly very honestly about their bodies and about the thing that holds troublesome the things that they wanted to celebrate and above all the things that other people needed to know in order to love their own body is nothing that's what was born from the naked podcast and we're so proud of everything we have done everything the women who's taking part and son got also the reaction that people have had to it and the fact that people listening.

I said do you know what I've realised I used to think of myself in a certain way back.

Play it was only me making myself think that and we've all got the ability to change how we think about something and if we can help change women and men's minds about how they feel about their bodies and that will be amazing but also it's a proper last as well and we're great mate.

Yeah and also a lot of questions sometimes comes up with one wine naked actually you'll notice when you do get yesterday tattooing in this is screaming at first.

It's embarrassing forfeit out of five minutes, but then after that you could have to get you but no clothes on anyway and your conversations are more revealing.

They are and people are a lot more open and it creates an intimacy, but I think you don't carry get when you got your kit on is there a bigger thing here as well, which is this it's a podcast idea.

I know it's broadcast but it's the kind of idea that wouldn't have happened.

I don't think it all we did was linear radio.

We ever conceived it as a podcast it was never going to be a programme on Radio because that's not how we speak on the radio.

We you know you certain phrases language were both BBC reporter interrupted learning for me is why why don't we on linear radio talk more intimately like we do on podcast is it a question and it's one that is we've done the podcast.

I've definitely found myself speaking more freely more openly on radio and I think actually the conversation is a two-way thing of people do respond if you speak very open your naturally and admit your floors admit the things that our conversations Welcome Finance around our sometimes the most pivotal point of the podcast comes around say 3040 minutes in after the conversation going for a while and is allowed to flow the conversations.

Just allowed to flow not worried about him to travel or do you have to put the disc in or what time we going to the news? I'm not restriction is not there.

So you just allowed to explore.

You conversations that you and and allowance go whenever they they leave take that coming up as travel catch any thank you and Congratulations thank you.

Thank you tonight to make sure he was very kind of you.

It's a fantastic event you get the real sense of the camaraderie of all the different stations that team spirit people are working on their programs together and the clips are astonishing absolutely astonishing the lovely clip of the latest cricket commentator Dave Callaghan that was one of standout moment.

I was yeah her optimism despite those circumstances was just incredible.

A story about how the BA on the station on the on shift that morning just happened to take that call and please come on the air, please come on.

They all those stories.

We heard about have programs to put together in these moments that happen like that very special wonderful spend most of your time.

Obviously working on the national picture, but my sense of humour is there a bit like me you can have missed the local environment and I'm digging down into the community.

Yes that that lovely team spirit that you getting meeting real characters.

I was chatting with the Martine croxall from The Newtown she was one of the judges.

She was recounting the day as when she used to work on local stations and you know it where you've no but it you've got her own your story about a put it together from beginning to finish an enterprise that you feel in that everybody has a warm feeling of about the team spirit you you got anything.

Because there's not a budget and therefore no other people in control of you as a storyteller if you believe in the story you just get on with it and you just tell it and nobody gets in the way.

Yes exactly tell me what a luxury that is not a luxury and broadcasters will spend every hour that's necessary on that story to make it work even if they're up for 72 hours without any sleep whatever it takes to get that done and to get that story out there that sense of Pride and ownership of it is just wonderful to witness buried is making the news at the moment Simon Mayo scala and Chris's Virgin and work if you work in an area of broadcasting this comedy that is pretty much what the BBC does nobody else does that are you looking?

To the fact that there might be ok Rhea richer deeper market for the continued.

Yes, I'm in it.

It's changing so much isn't it podcast another like it so Mercurial now that it is spreading to the everywhere that so many more chances so much more areas to put your imagination into alongside all of that alongside of this great flock of starlings flying in formation.

We will see those videos on Countryfile it's a little bit like that.

Sort of have those you know marble pillars of national programmes on Radio 4 alongside that I should be very good neighbours at the way the industry and the whole craft is flickering changing evolving in a way that seems to be accelerating maybe 20 years ago.

Radio 4 comedy was the only place for you.

I'm guessing if you're that age now.

You might be looking at a broad apparently you can paint from possession order Berlin yes exactly you can just have your own channel if you want to 20 years ago as you say you wouldn't really hear a saying.

Oh, yes, it's a bit of a Radio 4 comedy because there was only one there was only one place where you found that that is still strongly there, but it has many good neighbours many many other things existing within it and you know them all platforms the more radio the better the good stuff will always rise to the top.

It's OK Google find idea which is about football and deceased people who played on the wing and it's called dead ringers.

Do I need to write that down?

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As audiences get more used to On Demand services like Netflix Hulu Stanway player so TV platforms are trying new things when I present from the studio Alexandra Palace another program and how serious of experimental translations in colour at the beginning of this year the TV system that I subscribe to a little Australian set top box called fetch TV added a new channel.

It's a true crime channel called oxygen from by NBC universal oxygen is an interesting model because it isn't actually a television channel at all sure it looks like a television channel it appears in the EPG alongside all the other television channels and it has a broadcast schedule to 24 hours a day if I flipped through the channels in an evening.

I'll flick past oxygen just like any other channel you can watch it.

Just like any other channel to you can watch a show and then the show finishes and then something else will start in fact oxygen is just a collection of on demand TV shows.

The TV guide exists as a virtual channel the EPG slot there to promote the shows available on Demand so when you channel surf into oxygen isn't giving you a live TV channel at all in fact the show conveniently starts at the beginning.

It's an on-demand service programming has been chosen based on how well it'll perform as an On Demand product, so what could radio learn from this imagine you tune into the radio and the first thing you here is your favourite song followed by yes, the live presenters at least recorded live 5 minutes ago a radio station that gives you the travel at 8:20 only a 20 because that's the time you're just getting ready to drive into work a radio station that has everything that makes great Radio presenters talking about the football last night the ride into town today, but the radio station that has nothing that makes for bad radio.

No poorly targeted advertising no overplaying of my favourite songs if we were to think of great music radio as a jigsaw made from shorpy.

His of on-demand audio content rather than a live unalterable stream, what that mean that jigsaw could be assembled just for me on my mobile phone and for you on yours anniversary of at jigsaw.

Also assembled for those listening on FM with less of the personalization, but otherwise sounding virtually identical is the future for radio something which is devised as a collection of on-demand audio assemble for each listener where the FM transmitter is just another listener does radio need a bit of oxygen with Evie and as I said a few minutes ago and I understand that you're welcome to BBC Two you can get my weekly newsletter a James.

Create a land and Daily Podcast music pod news.net and until next time keep listening now on the radio Today programme is David Lloyd it was in 1972 that the control of broadcasting hours by the postmaster general ended.

Can you believe the post?

Office used to tell you what you could be on here or not 40 years ago this week, so the first BBC station go 24-hours it has to be understood to most popular services are Radio 2 sound of a long time now in the evenings.

They've been merging together what I'm an ounce in today is the total separation Radio 1 2 and indeed attorney Radio 1 into a network in its own right listen control over Derek chinnery radio to become the first at 24-hour network although there are some local stations broadcast 24hrs and of course.

It will be giving music and news through the night BBC Radio 4 closedown in just a few moments time will be the last on Radio 2 when the network opened up again at 5, it's not due to close down again and 24-hour broadcasting means that red.

Unusual for the first time be able to offer for round-the-clock coverage and everyone in The Newsroom is helping with this new full of service will provide something more than Gloom and so say all of us and we all feel that well.

I've got the Clock Around before I do my final last closedown over the Year what does it coming up to any 2:03 Millie 2:03 Tom Edwards will be a propeller bar BBC alarm clock to wake you at 5 with his early shares, so if you are working through the night only 3 hours to go and then I will be back with some more companies to more records from the Andy Finney who said that's it in the 70s David Carter who was then at turn BBC Radio London wanted to broadcast overnight, so they interviewed the postmaster general who was end Chris chataway and during the interview asked if they could go live overnight dear chataway said yes, so they did it later years.

He was people like Janice Long who sat there at radio.

To him the middle of the night until this week 2 years ago and my family.

Thank you very much and indeed all of that all of the Bands who went to approach them.

Would you like to come in at Cliveden well up for it? And I want to thank you because I've made some great friendships with you.

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It's been fantastic and now I'm so many people all over UK and all over the world who have been very kind to me and I really appreciate all your support as all of the email that I thank you Peter having a thank you for letting me into your life and this is my final to echo and the Bunnymen nothing ever lasts forever.

Janice Long some of the newer stations are clocking up the Decades on there happy 20th anniversary this week to this one Mansfield 103.2 George and Aretha Franklin I knew you were waiting for me and let me tell you a bit about what you're hearing on Mansfield 103.2 new local radio station now one of most important things that will be doing here on Mansfield 103.2 is playing your favourite music simply Red plus the best of the charts or mixed with the best of the 60s and 70s and 80s basically everything you want to hear so every time you turn it on we guarantee that you'll hear your favourite songs and how do we know that because we've asked you Mansfield 103.2 launching this week in 1999 launches a bad enough without doing an OB

The same time on my goodness.

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It's an item of ladies apparel of the double gusset rising made to pre-authorize.

It feels like the girls in hosiery factory.

Wouldn't it on Preston and the new brand whiteboard and also the JC Campbell Sheffield on one leg is given to Jason Dean pizza and some kisses on the elastic and the rest of this messages last in the last to get some Christine Wendy and Brenda anything to get something like this in the post brings back wonderful memories.

Terry Wogan in 1971 we lost him this week in 2016 some programs on radio last just a matter of months others last 70 years.

This is Radio 4 and now book of the week.

We are displaced by Malala yousafzai first-hand accounts of refugee of the week or book at Bedtime as it used to be called and still is online proving that alliterative radio titles usually do and you're back in 1949 when the late night serial started.

It was a bit of an experiment and the first readings came for a book called The Three hostages by John Buchan Red by Arthur Bush well, now.

We know her little bit more about the path ahead in 2019 for BBC local radio now Chris Burns has been chatting.

It's only a lot different from how it was in.

Its early days this week in 1968 Milo

BBC station Redhill Nottingham came on air with a rather interesting news operation and the other days of local radio everybody was expected to be a jack of all trades and a master of all trades as well, and I think it first occurred to meet you that we needed to concentrate on a Newsroom proper when I was being a disk jockey in the studio as a few hot stories breaking and I had to put on an LP and say to the station assistant well, I'll have to just leave this for a few moments because I've got some very hot news coming in I'll be back as soon as I can but I just go and write up a few stories in the news from and see how it's happening and it was fully loaded president at a quick way of doing things but sure enough you'll be the studio need the record running and your writing a news story like a couple of telephone calls and you think wow you know the record must be almost out when he run back to the studio breathless and say well.

I hope you enjoy that piece of music now.

We've got some more music for you.

Hope you're enjoying it also whatever you put another track and you think wow.

Aspire must be still learning every brightly go make some more enquiries then radio Nottingham News man Tony Cook reflecting in the 70s of have his Newsroom used to be in the 60s such as it was so with city Talk 105.9 launching from Liverpool 11 years ago Desert Island Discs beginning on the forces programme 77 years ago.

I know desert island this week is the first gentleman of the gramophone the man to whom everyone who presents a programme gramophone record and every listener who enjoys such programs as a great deal the launch of radio Blackburn 48 years ago and here is your station manager John Maskell famous man in black series starting 70 years ago and taking over from Lesley Douglas as controls.

Radio 2 10 years ago and Tony Blackburn's 76th birthday, thank you very much for listening.

It really has been lovely doing the first programme on the BBC iPlayer and guests and winners at the gillards this week and Mr Dan is back next week with our radio today roundtable discussion for February join us for our program.