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KMJ,Derby: Thanks. As I have just written above, the costs of splitting a TV region outweigh the costs of leaving the infrastructure alone and have a few extra low bitrate radio services.

From what I recall, the dual service on the Ridge Hill transmitter is a full replication of PSB2 for the West region.

It's not an otherwise empty multiplex with just ITV for the West in it.

I don't think the Freeview EPG system could cope with a version of BBC One being on the wrong multiplex.

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Anthony: Thanks.

As I've been saying, it's not technically possible to split the Freeview BBC regions without causing excessive expense.

Even when the BBC was well-funded I don't think that the cost of new equipment - not to mention the testing and possible consumer problems - would really justify breaking up the regions.

Remember that the services are multiplexes: they are high-speed flows of bits which contain lots of different services: video streams, audio streams, EPG data, MHEG-5 services all chopped up into fixed sized transport packet of 188 bytes (4 header, 184 payload).

It actually quite a complex task to break-out from these: and very expensive. That's why all the transmitter sites just do a bit-for-bit relay of the services.

You may recall the the Freeview transmitter name field used to often list the wrong name (all of Wales got "Wenvoe") in the past.

If you're interested in the technial side: see MPEG-2 Transmission .

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Anthony: Two additional thoughts.

There are still some areas that don't have BBC Local Radio (or indeed any local radio) on DAB. Derby is a good example. This plan would help these stations.

Another possible place for the services would be on the LocalTV "Comux" such as the three ones at Winter Hill However, these are designed to cover cities (ie, Liverpool or Manchester), not counties (Merseyside, GM)

Winter Hill (Bolton, England) transmitter | ukfree.tv - 11 years of independent, free digital TV advice

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PJH: That's true, which you might expect from UTV and their UTV Radio radio "empire" that includes Talksport: UTV Radio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I can't see ITV wishing to provide for ILR stations on PSB2, however.

The Beeb can afford to do this kind of thing to complement it's TV services: for ITV they would be competitors.


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Film 4
Sunday 2 March 2014 6:17PM

Paul: Just a guess, but Film 4 changed from Multiplex COM6 to PSB2 in the last year.

It's quite possible that your recorder hasn't quite understood this properly.

I would totally erase your EPG (but not your recordings, of course).

You can do it following the instrucitons for your box, or do this -https://ukfree.tv/helpme.php?faqid=1107051116 - if you can't find another way to do it.

This sorts out 99% of problems as you describe.

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Peter Webber: The local TV service is for Norwich, it is not directed at Lowestoft. You are outside the reception area.

Look at the LNRH coverage on Tacolneston (Norfolk, England) transmitter | ukfree.tv - 11 years of independent, free digital TV advice .

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Anthony: If and when the BBC local radio services start, I would expect that they will be provided to the "editorial areas". Any overlap will be down to the larger TV regions.

Compare Maps | ukfree.tv - 11 years of independent, free digital TV advice and Details of BBC Radio Lancashire (FM) analogue radio station | ukfree.tv - 11 years of independent, free digital TV advice .

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Anthony: I've covered this at Whatever happened to Central South, Meridian Newbury and ITV Thames Valley? | About UK Free TV | ukfree.tv - 11 years of independent, free digital TV advice

The extra ITV service from Ridge Hill, which is provided to the south, east and southeast of the mast is due to the removal of the ITV Central South/ITV Thames Valley region.



The BBC still have smaller regions (BBC Oxford) and therefore they are happy for Cheltenham and Gloucester to be remain editorially part of BBC West Midlands.

The problem for the ITV network was that Cheltenham and Gloucester had been part of Central South, and then got put back into ITV Central West when ITV Thames Valley was created and then forgotten about when ITV Thames Valley was merged into the massive ITV Meridian region (which goes all the way to Dover).

The ITV Meridian service is covered by BBC Oxford, BBC South(ampton) and BBC South East (from Tunbridge Wells).

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andrewp: I don't think I'm wrong.

Most BBC regional services carry "overlap" programming for areas such as this overlap area.

There NEVER has been anything other than the BBC West Midlands service from Ridge Hill. The BBC have never planned it or suggested it.

The ITV analogue service was instigated on analogue C30 only back in 2006. ITV West extended to North Gloucestershire | News headlines | ukfree.tv - 11 years of independent, free digital TV advice

The official BBC policy for the English regions is that they are what they are: transmitter signals don't follow arbitrary political boundaries. The TV regions are caused by transmitter locations.

"With the English regions, there is no such homogeneity. The boundaries were drawn some forty years ago not on any basis of community interest but to match the range of the transmitters. These are regions devised by engineers rather than sociologists. " - From 1968, Broadcasting in the Seventies | Digital radio | ukfree.tv - 11 years of independent, free digital TV advice

ITV service is a sop due to the cutbacks that closed down ITV Central South.


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